Is Anthony Joshua among the top ten HWs since 2000 ?

[Bard of Boxrec]

I think suggesting that the guy who just lost to a rank outsider like Ruiz would beat the 50 guys that Klitschko did is a tad presumptious.

Especially when the guy concerned went life and death with the 40 year old version of the guy you're comparing him with.

Ahh, the old ‘wlad was old’ chestnut. You don’t need to obsess about his age at the time, you can use your eyes and see his performance was great. That was wlad’s best performance because he finally put it all together . He may not have been in his prime but he fought incredibly well. In fact that performance means more to his legacy than any string of wins against no hopers to me because he showed he could get in the trenches against a top level guy who was bringing it to him, rather than just robotically fire out his jab, step backwards and put out the occasional right hand.

He showed speed, accuracy, VOLUME! Volume for Wlad! He actually showed VARIETY! variety for Wlad! Left hooks, combinations! Things we hadn’t seen since his early career .

[ewenhay]

Ahh, the old ‘wlad was old’ chestnut. You don’t need to obsess about his age at the time, you can use your eyes and see his performance was great. That was wlad’s best performance because he finally put it all together . He may not have been in his prime but he fought incredibly well. In fact that performance means more to his legacy than any string of wins against no hopers to me because he showed he could get in the trenches against a top level guy who was bringing it to him, rather than just robotically fire out his jab, step backwards and put out the occasional right hand.

He showed speed, accuracy, VOLUME! Volume for Wlad! He actually showed VARIETY! variety for Wlad! Left hooks, combinations! Things we hadn’t seen since his early career .

Deluded

[Thomastearns]

He's capable, yes. Whether an immediate rematch is wise or not is the question of the minute. I don't know of anyone who can make all the proper adjustments in three months or so after such a devastating loss.

Everyone whose an AJ fan compares him to Lennox Lewis. Consider this... there was 7 months between the fights with Rahman, and 8 months between fights with Holyfield, and 2 years between fights with McCall. It took serious time and effort to rebuild the brand.

To just jump straight back as if nothing happened, as if this was just some fluke, and still use the same old tactics as before? Cus that's what'll happen. You can't train someone to change everything or tighten up all loose ends in less than 90 days.

I may be wrong. I'm not a world-class athlete. But I think the granite chinned pepper belly with Kung Fu hands is tailor made for a muscle bound mechanical heavyweight. Joshua could be twice as strong and the outcome wouldn't have changed. Ruiz is tough enough to take one, two, three, just to get that opening and explode all over it.

If Joshua loses, he'll probably be written off by everyone. So was Klitschko. A guy that big and strong, with years ahead of him, he certainly can regroup and one day down the road win another belt. It's just a matter of IF he wants it that badly.

As an AJ fan I've been thinking about this. Another loss would complete the disaster, but how does AJ win next time?

The main problem is that Ruiz doesn't seem to have any obvious weakness. For such a heavy guy he seems to have plenty of stamina as he showed against Parker.

I didn't think AJ would want to follow the Parker back foot strategy, especially on his US debut, but as we saw, blasting Ruiz out as Tyson blasted out Tubbs, isn't that easy for Anthony Joshua.

Maybe AJ will have to repeat his win over Parker again after all. He could come in lighter next time and just dance his way to victory letting Ruiz adopt his go forward style at greater risk.

Blasting him out didn't work and might not work next time.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Deluded

Nope. Just uses own eyes

[Ilya Muromets]

"Is Anthony Joshua among the top ten HWs since 2000 ?"


As pathetic as he looked the other night this might be morphing into a joke thread.

[HomicideHenry]

As an AJ fan I've been thinking about this. Another loss would complete the disaster, but how does AJ win next time?

The main problem is that Ruiz doesn't seem to have any obvious weakness. For such a heavy guy he seems to have plenty of stamina as he showed against Parker.

I didn't think AJ would want to follow the Parker back foot strategy, especially on his US debut, but as we saw, blasting Ruiz out as Tyson blasted out Tubbs, isn't that easy for Anthony Joshua.

Maybe AJ will have to repeat his win over Parker again after all. He could come in lighter next time and just dance his way to victory letting Ruiz adopt his go forward style at greater risk.

Blasting him out didn't work and might not work next time.

How? By fighting intelligent. Use your height and weight to best advantages. Don't get over-confident and take your time. He rushed too soon. It cost him dearly.

[FruitStealer]

Of course AJ is top ten. Top 5 if u ask me.
He has flaws as everyone but u can deny he's a dominant HW.
I dont even count Lewis because his main career was in the 90s, tho he was still a beast in early 2000's.

[Thomastearns]

How? By fighting intelligent. Use your height and weight to best advantages. Don't get over-confident and take your time. He rushed too soon. It cost him dearly.

Because he wanted his US debut to be a statement fight.

If it's over here in the UK he won't have that problem since Joshua has now added his name to that esteemed list of boxing's travelling casualties.

Obviously, the exact location is still a problem but the Joshua camp need to nail it down asap. It will now be a huge fight wherever it is held and any win will do.

Andy Ruiz will have an entirely different set of problems to now face. Rematches do tend to go the way of the ex champion.

[HomicideHenry]

Because he wanted his US debut to be a statement fight.

If it's over here in the UK he won't have that problem since Joshua has now added his name to that esteemed list of boxing's travelling casualties.

Obviously, the exact location is still a problem but the Joshua camp need to nail it down asap. It will now be a huge fight wherever it is held and any win will do.

Andy Ruiz will have an entirely different set of problems to now face. Rematches do tend to go the way of the ex champion.

Historically that's not the case.

Holmes didn't beat Spinks.
Dempsey didn't beat Tunney.
Fitzsimmons didn't beat Jeffries.
Holyfield lost the series to Bowe.
Holyfield didn't beat Lewis.
Stiverne didn't beat Wilder.

You get the point.

Yes, a dethroned champion is a far greater threat than a contender. But historically, champions don't regain the crown from the men who beat them.

[ValMar]

I can not believe how many posters here are inconsistent. Something like ultra-supporters of comunism in Eastern Europe.
After the comunists had lost the power, more than half of mentioned ultra-supporters became the anti-comunists, during the night.

So, when Joshua has been successful - he is the genuine hero. After his loss - he is "the pure crap". How will they think next year ? Nobody knows.

[Enlightened-One]

Joshua number 2 behind Lennox although I admit it’s close between him and Wlad right now.

[oogiebe]

Joshua number 2 behind Lennox although I admit it’s close between him and Wlad right now.

I'm assuming that Riddick ticked you off so you went off hunting for a historical post to attack. Yup.

[Enlightened-One]

Joshua number 2 behind Lennox although I admit it’s close between him and Wlad right now.

I'm assuming that Riddick ticked you off so you went off hunting for a historical post to attack. Yup.

Ajagba is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.

[H8Usernames]

Is Anthony Joshua among the top ten HWs since 2000 ?

Hmmm do I care or dont I care.... hmmm Do I care dont I care do I care dont I care. I dont give a shit. That guy should ask Andy Ruiz for a rematch.

[oogiebe]

I'm assuming that Riddick ticked you off so you went off hunting for a historical post to attack. Yup.

Ajagba is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.

So? why keep proving you're a little man with too much time on your hands. LMFAO! You even post out of context! Nothing new for you. I'm literally streaming tears I'm laughing so hard at you! Hey, still love Dychko? Or think Dubs wilted under intense heat and pressure?

[Bard of Boxrec]

Hilarious that EO chose to draw attention once more to his laughable ranking of heavyweights this century.

[oogiebe]

Hilarious that EO chose to draw attention once more to his laughable ranking of heavyweights this century.

I'm still LMFAO! "Hey look at me look at me!" "I called this fight!!" "Hey!!! I posted exactly this 5 months ago!" "Waaaaaah! WHy don't you look at me!" LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Enlightened-One]

So? why keep proving you're a little man with too much time on your hands. LMFAO! You even post out of context! Nothing new for you. I'm literally streaming tears I'm laughing so hard at you! Hey, still love Dychko? Or think Dubs wilted under intense heat and pressure?

Do you still feel that Ajagba moves rather smoothly, has a remarkable defence, has freakish power, is formidable and is also today’s number one heavyweight prospect?

[Bard of Boxrec]

Hilarious that EO chose to draw attention once more to his laughable ranking of heavyweights this century.

Let's not forget that it was only recently you considered Anthony Joshua as being boxing's second-best heavyweight within the last twenty years!

Yep, I’ve explained why in detail in the thread, so there’s nothing to add. You disagree, that’s fine. I’m not responding to any more of your novels here.

[Enlightened-One]

Hilarious that EO chose to draw attention once more to his laughable ranking of heavyweights this century.

Let's not forget that it was only recently you considered Anthony Joshua as being boxing's second-best heavyweight within the last twenty years!

And here's what I wrote on the 28th March 2019:

Anyway, you guys will probably laugh at my list, but here’s my top ten since 2000:

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Tyson Fury
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Deontay Wilder

I have always rated Tyson Fury above Anthony Joshua. And was previously ridiculed by many for doing so. However, times have changed and many of the same people, who previously mocked me, now agree with me.

And I also believe a prime iteration of Povetkin would have beaten AJ.

That doesn't sound too unreasonable, especially when you consider how well the 39-year-old version 'Sasha' actually performed against Joshua (that was almost eleven years younger than himself, coupled with having to deal with a significant size disadvantage).

I still consider the Klitschko brothers as being more accomplished and arguably better than today's big men.

And whilst my rating of a Hall-of-Famer like Lennox Lewis might seem odd, it's because he didn't have that many fights after January 2000, coupled with my belief that he was already on the decline by then. His prime was during the 1990's.

For the record, I’m actually quite happy with this list I formulated more than 20 months ago. And it's obviously better than yours!

By the way, do you still consider Anthony Joshua as being boxing's second-best heavyweight within the last twenty years?

[oogiebe]

So? why keep proving you're a little man with too much time on your hands. LMFAO! You even post out of context! Nothing new for you. I'm literally streaming tears I'm laughing so hard at you! Hey, still love Dychko? Or think Dubs wilted under intense heat and pressure?

Do you still feel that Ajagba moves rather smoothly, has a remarkable defence, has freakish power, is formidable and is also today’s number one heavyweight prospect?

Once again (like last time you freaked out) I never said he had remarkable defence. Still think Dychko is top prospect? Dubs quit under intense heat and pressure. LMFAO! Dry your tears lad.

[oogiebe]

Hilarious that EO chose to draw attention once more to his laughable ranking of heavyweights this century.

Let's not forget that it was only recently you considered Anthony Joshua as being boxing's second-best heavyweight within the last twenty years!

Yep, I’ve explained why in detail in the thread, so there’s nothing to add. You disagree, that’s fine. I’m not responding to any more of your novels here.

LOL! The lad should start with masterbation and maybe in a couple of years he can get his first date.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Since 2000

Lewis
W klitschko
V klitschko
Fury
Wilder
Joshua
To me are for sure

Fighters like

Chagaev
Povetkin
Byrd

The. Whoever you want at 10: ruiz, haye, sam peter

[Enlightened-One]

So? why keep proving you're a little man with too much time on your hands. LMFAO! You even post out of context! Nothing new for you. I'm literally streaming tears I'm laughing so hard at you! Hey, still love Dychko? Or think Dubs wilted under intense heat and pressure?

Do you still feel that Ajagba moves rather smoothly, has a remarkable defence, has freakish power, is formidable and is also today’s number one heavyweight prospect?

Once again (like last time you freaked out) I never said he had remarkable defence. Still think Dychko is top prospect? Dubs quit under intense heat and pressure. LMFAO! Dry your tears lad.

OK, let's agree to side-step that element of our discussion, since we disagree. And let me rephrase the question...

Do you still feel that Ajagba moves rather smoothly, has freakish power, is formidable and is also today’s number one heavyweight prospect?

[Enlightened-One]

Since 2000

Lewis
W klitschko
V klitschko
Fury
Wilder
Joshua
To me are for sure

Fighters like

Chagaev
Povetkin
Byrd

The. Whoever you want at 10: ruiz, haye, sam peter

Your list is very similar to mine, but slightly different order. The only notable differences are our ratings of Lewis. And I have Pulev instead of Chagaev.