Boxing Historians

[prewarboxing]

I'd love going through that collection. There's an article I've been trying to find for years, about the Tongan Torpedo nearly fought Uriah Burton in an illegal bareknuckle fight that was allegedly covered by BOXING NEWS.

You are talking about Kitione Lave, who was more usually known as the Tongan Terror. Do you have a possible year for this and I will have a look for you?

Miles

[HomicideHenry]

You are talking about Kitione Lave, who was more usually known as the Tongan Terror. Do you have a possible year for this and I will have a look for you?

Miles

Yes, was Kitione Lave.

September of 1958 I believe.

[prewarboxing]

Yes, was Kitione Lave.

September of 1958 I believe.

Leave it with me Henry.

[HomicideHenry]

Leave it with me Henry.

you the man Miles

[evrenb]

I have every Boxing News from 1987 to present....i store them at my mother's house....it has more space than mine

[prewarboxing]

Yes, was Kitione Lave.

September of 1958 I believe.

Nothing in there for September or October 1958. Boxing News did a feature on Lave in 1953 but there is nothing in it about him and Burton. How sure are you that it was Boxing News? Would be quite unusual for them, at that time, to mention anything about bare-knuckle boxing involving a licensed professional.

Miles

[HomicideHenry]

Nothing in there for September or October 1958. Boxing News did a feature on Lave in 1953 but there is nothing in it about him and Burton. How sure are you that it was Boxing News? Would be quite unusual for them, at that time, to mention anything about bare-knuckle boxing involving a licensed professional.

Miles

From what I understand Lave was down to peanuts. The police intervened. It was mentioned in Bartley Gorman's autobiography KING OF THE GYPSIES. I'm assuming it was covered by BOXING NEWS in September of 1958 because it went down at that time, and the book has quotes from the BN article.

[prewarboxing]

From what I understand Lave was down to peanuts. The police intervened. It was mentioned in Bartley Gorman's autobiography KING OF THE GYPSIES. I'm assuming it was covered by BOXING NEWS in September of 1958 because it went down at that time, and the book has quotes from the BN article.

There was another article on him in 1972. I will check that. This sort of thing was far more likely to have been mentioned retrospectively than at the time

Miles

[HomicideHenry]

There was another article on him in 1972. I will check that. This sort of thing was far more likely to have been mentioned retrospectively than at the time

Miles

Thank you.

[prewarboxing]

Thank you.

I was right. It is mentioned in some detail in the 1972 article. I will post a copy of this for you tomorrow. If anyone else is interested it is featured within an article on Lave in the August 18 1972 edition of Boxing News, on page 9. It mention Hugh Burton, rather than Uriah, but I am fairly sure that that is an error

Miles Templeton

[HomicideHenry]

I was right. It is mentioned in some detail in the 1972 article. I will post a copy of this for you tomorrow. If anyone else is interested it is featured within an article on Lave in the August 18 1972 edition of Boxing News, on page 9. It mention Hugh Burton, rather than Uriah, but I am fairly sure that that is an error

Miles Templeton

Uriah Burton was legally named Hugh. He's the grandfather of present day Hosea Burton, the light heavyweight. I appreciate it immensely Miles.

I'm sure the BKB crowd at various sites will get a tremendous kick out of one of their legends nearly fighting one of boxing's bigger stars of the day in the 50s.

Also, does BN have any pictures of the John Fury-Henry Akinwande fight? Many thanks.

[prewarboxing]

Here is the article on Uriah Burton from 1972 as promised

Miles Templeton

[dalcumly]

The Boxing News today had an article by Alex Daley on Ron Barton former British Light heavy champion.
Don't know if anyone is interested but when Dave Chanley returned from the Empire Games in Vancouver he was intent on turning pro. Ron Barton took him to meet the Krays in a pub in South London who wanted to manage him, with a ' stooge' put up as the manager of record.
Dave politely turned the, down!

[HomicideHenry]

Here is the article on Uriah Burton from 1972 as promised

Miles Templeton

Miles you are the man
Thank you, Jesus bless you

[kochamp]

Hi Miles,

Just going through some old messages while in isolation and found this which is great and a shame we can't see way more of your work on here and the boxinghistory site. Shame a lot of these records are not availble for public consumption

Boxrec has an Australian fight for Bombardier McLeod I assume that's just posted to the wrong fighter

Thanks for all your great work and contributions.

KoChamp

Here is the record that I promised for Bombardier McLeod of Newcastle. A middleweight, boxed between 1919 and 1935, won 19 lost 15

1919

Jul 28 Billy Benson (Gateshead) WRTD1(6) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 30/07/1919 page 37
Aug 2 Jim Ritson (Byker) WKO1(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 06/08/1919 page 59
Aug 9 Charlie Roberts (Consett) LKO5(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 13/08/1919 page 84
Sep 13 Johnny Horton (Newcastle) LPTS(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 17/09/1919 page 203
Sep 27 Fred Ritson (Gateshead) WKO5(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 01/10/1919 page 242
Nov 24 Fred Ritson (Gateshead) LPTS(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal

1920

Jan 19 George Gillis (West Hartlepool) WRTD5(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Mar 15 Fred Harris (Jarrow) WRSF7(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Mar 19 Jimmy Britt (Walker) LRSF3(10) Palace, Annfield Plain
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Mar 26 Jimmy Shearon (Glasgow) LRTD(10) Palace, Annfield Plain
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Apr 3 Bob Fox (Hebburn) WRTD2(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 07/04/1920 page 196
May 3 Tommy Moran (Newcastle) LRTD3(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
May 10 Fred Ritson (Gateshead) WRSF2(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
May 22 Tom King (Hebburn) WRTD3(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 26/05/1920 page 330
Aug 23 Sam Fox (Newcastle) LPTS(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 01/09/1920 page 75
Sep 13 Fred Ritson (Gateshead) WRSF1 Holmeside, Sunderland
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Sep 20 Sam Fox (Newcastle) WKO2(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 22/09/1920 page 120
Sep 27 Johnny Horton (Newcastle) WDSQ4(10) Tyneside Stadium, Wallsend
Source: Boxing 06/10/1920 pages 157 and 158
Oct 2 Mick Bradley (Earlestown) LRTD2(15) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 06/10/1920 page 157
Oct 25 Johnny Melia (Oldham) WKO4(15) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 27/10/1920 pages 200, 220
Dec 11 Tommy Summers (Middlesbrough) WKO2(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 15/12/1920 page 339
Dec 31 Jimmy Cox (Wigan) LRTD5(15) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 05/01/1921 page 388

1921

Jan 31 Seaman Bean (Mansfield) WKO1(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Mar 7 Len Brooks (Horwich) WKO3(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Mar 19 Jim Temple (Gateshead) LPTS(15) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 23/03/1921 page 90
May 14 Mick Harney (Jarrow) WKO1(15) Victory Casino, South Shields
Source: Boxing 18/05/1921 page 222
Jun 4 Tommy Bury (Darwen) WRSF7(15) Victory Casino, South Shields
Source: Boxing 08/06/1921 page 268
Jun 6 Tommy Moran (Newcastle) WPTS(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 08/06/1921 page 264
Jul 9 Bobby Burns (Felling) LKO1(15) Victory Casino, South Shields
Source: Boxing 13/07/1921 pages 355 and 356
Aug 6 Tom Hughes (Sunderland) LKO8(15) Victory Casino, South Shields
Source: Boxing 10/08/1921 pages 421 and 422
Aug 27 Stanley Ketchell (Annan) LRTD6(15) Holmeside, Sunderland
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal
Oct 8 Pat McGurk (Jarrow) LKO1(15) Victory Casino, South Shields
Source: Boxing 12/10/1921 page 140

1923

Jul 9 Billy Forrest (North Shields) LRSF3(10) St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Boxing 18/07/1923 pages 204 and 205

1934

Apr 4 Charlie Minto (North Shields) WPTS New St James Hall, Newcastle
Source: Newcastle Daily Journal


Miles Templeton

[prewarboxing]

Hi kochamp. Thanks for the nice things you said. That Australian contest for McLeod is an error. It isn't him, he never went to Australia.

Boxrec has many similar mis-posts from this period I am afraid. There are very many instances of boxers with the same, or similar names whose bouts have been attributed to the wrong record. This is one of them.

Miles Templeton.