ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:36
Go fvck yourself. Ruiz beat The Man. Ruiz is now The Man to beat.
The old “you don’t know boxing” horsesh!t excuse for denigrating others’ opinions is lame.
You know what is evidence of idiocy? Downgrading a W because it wasn’t the massive bore Fury or the man who had fought no one until recently is idiotic on its face.
Triangulate until you can’t see straight. Does not matter, Ruiz is the King of the Boxing world, deservedly. There is nothing that you can do about it.
It does not matter if he would not be favored in fights v Wilder, Fury, AJ, Whyte or whoever else. King Ruiz just did what nobody else has accomplished. He is THE MAN until proven otherwise.
Your opinion means nothing.
If Joshua had beaten Wilder and Fury, then "yes" he would be the man, and "yes" Ruiz would deserve to be #1. no doubt about that. But as the ranking of Joshua, Fury and Wilder was subjective, Joshua's loss to Ruiz simply means, that people who thought Joshua were number 1, were wrong in their opinion. I, personally, had him behind Fury when we did the original estimates for the re-birth of this thread.
Now, getting back to wagering. If my opinion means nothing, then I'm happy to give you 2:1 odds on Ruiz beating Wilder or Fury. Seriously, go for it, bet what you want. And if you don't want to take that bet, then it just means, you don't believe your own ranking of Ruiz makes no sense to you.
But seriously, you can only do rankings with the information presented. Joshua losing to Ruiz gives you more information, namely that Ruiz is more difficult + resiliant than previously thought and that Joshua is more limited and chinny than previously thought. You have to factor these things into ranking fighters that have not fought. Clearly that means the newly discovered faults of Joshua means he was a flawed #1, but it certainly doesn't make Ruiz #1 for exposing these faults. If the medium power of Ruiz can topple Joshua, then Wilder's atomic power will blast him away the first time it lands. And Ruiz will simply never get within hitting range of Fury.
Another way of looking at this is......
Imagine we did the initial ratings today. That there was no prior list. There is simply no way you would put Ruiz ahead of Fury or Wilder, unless you are mentally disturbed or a Mexican fan-boy. That's how much sense it makes, putting Ruiz at #1.
Anthony Joshua drops to #4, 
Andy Ruiz Jr enters at #3
Michael Hunter is out of the list.
i think it would be better to drop him instead of Hunter.
