So.... Do You See Fury as the Best Now?

[Nondescript]

Me too. Although they would make a crackin' scrape.

I wish we would have seen the Whyte-Ortiz fight to determine it, but hey that's the shit show which is boxing

[Onetimeonly]

eh not really sure about wilder having an injury that caused him not to beat fury, fury is just way better defensively and more akward then anyone hed faced. the 'staring contest' is something fury opponents often go into with fury. wilders stamina also looked worse then it ever had, and his accuracy was bad too for what he did throw. also looked psychologically not confident for most of the fight. usually hes brash

i think most of this is down to fury . they are about the same.. i had fury winning but it was close, but i dont think wilder was at any lower a condition then fury. fury could also get in better shape i think if we are looking for potential improvements. he could win the rematch with a better finish or he could get caught and taken out

the rematch is the second most interesting fight at hw that should get made

Perhaps it was just fury. Deontay is the furthest thing from a technical genius. I was saying during the fight that he was pushing it at odd angles and that matched up to the claim afterwards. He'll struggle to land anyway, but I find it to be an interesting aspect of the rematch. I expect them both to be better and, injury or not, I won't be dropping another 2k underestimating fury.

[oogiebe]

True! Let's be honest though, Breazeale was a sitting duck lol

Granted, but you said that Wilder would NEVER catch Fury like that.

[Onetimeonly]

why would a hand injury mean he can throw looping but not straight? breazeale is just a punch bag, totally opposite of fury

It wasn't his hand it was his arm.

[oogiebe]

It wasn't his hand it was his arm.

Actually his elbow (and hand had just had surgery) which is why he was throwing at odd angles in my opinion.

[Nondescript]

Granted, but you said that Wilder would NEVER catch Fury like that.

I was just saying it's highly unlikely.

[oogiebe]

I was just saying it's highly unlikely.

I think he can catch him. Less likely than vs other fighters.

[jamamb]

curious, how do you decide it was because he was injured and couldnt throw straight rights, rather then he suddenly is throwing them less against a vaslty better boxer and mover then anyone hes faced, who is known to mess with guys outputs

and then as soon as he goes back to a straight ahead opponent, his straight right is there

[jamamb]

that said, what the first fight did show is that even if wilders output drops, his stamina looks worse then ever, his accuraacy is mostly woeful, his confidence looks shot.........he still has the power and speed to land enough , and big enough, to bail him out when he needs it

must be frustrating for a guy like fury to win so many rounds but then have his lead evaporated with just a couple of shots.

[Onetimeonly]

Something looked wrong with his arm from the start of the fight to me. Not discrediting fury, that's how it looked to me. I didn't decide anything about it, just an observation. I don't know for sure, none of us do.

[oogiebe]

curious, how do you decide it was because he was injured and couldnt throw straight rights, rather then he suddenly is throwing them less against a vaslty better boxer and mover then anyone hes faced, who is known to mess with guys outputs

and then as soon as he goes back to a straight ahead opponent, his straight right is there

He had had surgery on his hand and elbow between the Ortiz fight and Fury. I've had that kind of surgery as well and it can make your joint quite stiff. It may have felt better by fight time, but it is possible that he got into bad habits in training due to the effects. It's possible. It doesn't take away Fury's performance it just makes a compelling story for the rematch. I've never seen a veteran pro be 100% without some sorts of aches and/or pain.

[jamamb]

it couldve been an injury, as much as ive said 'excuses' its true that injuries due happen and can impact performances

i am actually picking wilder again anyway. i thought he looked absolutely terrible for much of that fight yet still he managed a draw and i had it close. maybe scoring that late kd givess him more confidence to let his hands go more earlier too, seeing the effect it had

on the other hand, fury did fade a bit late and maybe he can get in a bit better shape. we havent been getting all the big fights we want, but now some good rematches at least

[oogiebe]

it couldve been an injury, as much as ive said 'excuses' its true that injuries due happen and can impact performances

i am actually picking wilder again anyway. i thought he looked absolutely terrible for much of that fight yet still he managed a draw and i had it close. maybe scoring that late kd givess him more confidence to let his hands go more earlier too, seeing the effect it had

on the other hand, fury did fade a bit late and maybe he can get in a bit better shape. we havent been getting all the big fights we want, but now some good rematches at least

Unfortunately, I don't see Fury sustaining the work habits (discipline) that got him into that shape for that fight.

[jamamb]

it depends, conditioning can be a cumulative thing and hes had more time now to work his way into ideal shape after his time out. if he keeps that focus, he can, but ya he could also go off things too

[oogiebe]

it depends, conditioning can be a cumulative thing and hes had more time now to work his way into ideal shape after his time out. if he keeps that focus, he can, but ya he could also go off things too

It can take a lifetime to get into shape and about 4-5 weeks to lose it. Believe me, I know! LMAO!

[jamamb]

the unfortunate reality of things

[oogiebe]

the unfortunate reality of things

I hate mirrors more and more every day!

[Nondescript]

I think he can catch him. Less likely than vs other fighters.

If you watch that fight again though, Fury wad rolling under a lot of Wilder's attempted right hands and making him miss wildly. Breazeale doesn't have that capability, so he was like static object, just waiting for a right hand to detonate on his chin.

[oogiebe]

If you watch that fight again though, Fury wad rolling under a lot of Wilder's attempted right hands and making him miss wildly. Breazeale doesn't have that capability, so he was like static object, just waiting for a right hand to detonate on his chin.

Of course. Again, I'm not comparing the two fighters. That would be silly.

[Nondescript]

Of course. Again, I'm not comparing the two fighters. That would be silly.

Oh no, I know you wernt. You're a good judge of fighters so I know you wouldn't compare the two lol. I was just saying myself that I just couldn't really envisage Wilder being able to catch Fury like that because he never is static in that way. Now I get it is possible that Fury could get trapped against the ropes and not be able to roll under the right hand, and get hit clean. That's the only way I could easily see it happening though to be honest.

[gilgamesh]

Oh no, I know you wernt. You're a good judge of fighters so I know you wouldn't compare the two lol. I was just saying myself that I just couldn't really envisage Wilder being able to catch Fury like that because he never is static in that way. Now I get it is possible that Fury could get trapped against the ropes and not be able to roll under the right hand, and get hit clean. That's the only way I could easily see it happening though to be honest.

He can be dropped by one of Wilder's left hooks too. The 12th showed us that.

[jamamb]

He can be dropped by one of Wilder's left hooks too. The 12th showed us that.

maybe im challenged visually but how? that was clearly a right hand imo. a left maybe grazes at best, but then the right catches him high on the head

[Nondescript]

He can be dropped by one of Wilder's left hooks too. The 12th showed us that.

Yeah, valid point!

[jamamb]

really? maybe i am visually challenged then, it looks not at all like it was the left to me

fury bends over and wilders right lands right around the top of his head

[gilgamesh]

maybe im challenged visually but how? that was clearly a right hand imo. a left maybe grazes at best, but then the right catches him high on the head

It's a right hand, left hook combo. He eats a left hook on the way down.