Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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People, that was dirty as fu.ck.

Wilder was finished and the referee helped him with 15 seconds extra of recovery.

Why?

And the press never said anything negative about this, that was a dirty move to protect Wilder 0's.


That was like Coggi vs Gonzalez :-x
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Re: Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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Susej_SOG wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 00:33 People, that was dirty as fu.ck.

Wilder was finished and the referee helped him with 15 seconds extra of recovery.

Why?

And the press never said anything negative about this, that was a dirty move to protect Wilder 0's.


That was like Coggi vs Gonzalez :-x

This is what I've been going on about, but I'm the only one here who is. Not just the ref, but the ring doctor, or actor playing a ring doctor. When they pulled that stunt the announcer, Malinaggi i think, screamed, "They can't do that!" But they did it and they got away with it. If boxing was honest the fight should be reversed and Ortiz declared the winner, or at least no contest. If ha ha.

What's Coggi vs Gonzalez? I've never seen anything like that. Boxing is so crooked, right in your face, and the boxing fans accept it.
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Re: Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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:lol:
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Re: Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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The referee must take the opportunity, after the fighter has been hurt badly, to make sure they’re able to competently defend themselves. There are a variety of ways this can be done... and I have no objection for Wilder to have been inspected by the ringside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round.

I’m guessing that the WBC have the equivalent rules as the WBA, whereby the ringside physician is supposed to carefully inspect the fighters during the intervals and this didn’t seem to happen until the referee specifically asked for Wilder to be examined.

Unfortunately, the Showtime action replays were being displayed whilst Wilder was being attended to in his corner. So no one can accuse the referee of doing anything unscrupulous without possessing any proof of any wrongdoing.
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It's a NY rule.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 02:57 The referee must take the opportunity, after the fighter has been hurt badly, to make sure they’re able to competently defend themselves. There are a variety of ways this can be done... and I have no objection for Wilder to have been inspected by the ringside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round.

I’m guessing that the WBC have the equivalent rules as the WBA, whereby the ringside physician is supposed to carefully inspect the fighters during the intervals and this didn’t seem to happen until the referee specifically asked for Wilder to be examined.

Unfortunately, the Showtime action replays were being displayed whilst Wilder was being attended to in his corner. So no one can accuse the referee of doing anything unscrupulous without possessing any proof of any wrongdoing.

"I have no objection for Wilder to have been inspected by the ringside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round"


That is not what happened and you know it or should know it!!!!!
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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:07 "I have no objection for Wilder to have been inspected by the ringside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round"


That is not what happened and you know it or should know it!!!!!
What happened then? I saw the ref ask Wilder to walk to a corner to be inspected by the ingside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round.

Did my eyeballs deceive me?
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:09 What happened then? I saw the ref ask Wilder to walk to a corner to be inspected by the ingside physician immediately before the start of the eighth round.

Did my eyeballs deceive me?


Round 8 was already underway. They stopped the round to examine Wilder who was on rubber legs. That's why Malgnaggi shouted, "They can't do that!"
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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:17 Round 8 was already underway. They stopped the round to examine Wilder who was on rubber legs. That's why Malgnaggi shouted, "They can't do that!"
Here are the WBA's rules, which are consistent with the WBC's:

The Physician should then go to the boxer’s corner and monitor the boxer during the rest period and if necessary, examine him more closely at the end of the rest period.

If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round.


The BBBofC rules state something similar:

The BBBofC rules state that a referee may consult the ringside doctor at any stage concerning the fitness of a boxer to continue a Contest.

If I could find the WBC rules, I'd be able to cite them also, but I am supremely confident that the rulebook is consistent for all governing bodies for hurt fighters being inspected by ringside doctors.
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Re: Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 02:30 This is what I've been going on about, but I'm the only one here who is. Not just the ref, but the ring doctor, or actor playing a ring doctor. When they pulled that stunt the announcer, Malinaggi i think, screamed, "They can't do that!" But they did it and they got away with it. If boxing was honest the fight should be reversed and Ortiz declared the winner, or at least no contest. If ha ha.

What's Coggi vs Gonzalez? I've never seen anything like that. Boxing is so crooked, right in your face, and the boxing fans accept it.
You need to see this, the worst dirty act in boxing history.




It was too dirty and unacceptable what the referee did in the Wilder vs Ortiz fight.

And you were right, a guy is defending Wilder and the referee in this thread :brick:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:20 Here are the WBA's rules, which are consistent with the WBC's:

The Physician should then go to the boxer’s corner and monitor the boxer during the rest period and if necessary, examine him more closely at the end of the rest period.

If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round.
Man, that was a dirty act to defend Wilder
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Susej_SOG wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:24 Man, that was a dirty act to defend Wilder
Have you read the rules?
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:20 Here are the WBA's rules, which are consistent with the WBC's:

The Physician should then go to the boxer’s corner and monitor the boxer during the rest period and if necessary, examine him more closely at the end of the rest period.

If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round.


The BBBofC rules state something similar:

The BBBofC rules state that a referee may consult the ringside doctor at any stage concerning the fitness of a boxer to continue a Contest.

If I could find the WBC rules, I'd be able to cite them also, but I am supremely confident that the rulebook is consistent for all governing bodies for hurt fighters being inspected by ringside doctors.


"If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round."

Again, that is not what happened. Round 8 was well underway when the ref made a signal to the ring doctor who then came up into the ring to stop the action and "examine" Wilder - and give him critical seconds to recover.
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I was there that night. Different referees acted similarly in the previous 5 fights on that card when a fighter was in trouble.
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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:35 "If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round."

Again, that is not what happened. Round 8 was well underway when the ref made a signal to the ring doctor who then came up into the ring to stop the action and "examine" Wilder - and give him critical seconds to recover.
Round eight was not well underway. Neither fighter was given the oppotunity to walk towards the centre of the ring. No punches were thrown.

This could simply be a case of you having defective eyeballs. Click on the YouTube video, which will take you straight to the end of round seven and see for yourself! :lol:



Here are the WBA's rules, which are consistent with the WBC's:

The Physician should then go to the boxer’s corner and monitor the boxer during the rest period and if necessary, examine him more closely at the end of the rest period.

If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round.
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Susej_SOG wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:24 You need to see this, the worst dirty act in boxing history.




It was too dirty and unacceptable what the referee did in the Wilder vs Ortiz fight.

And you were right, a guy is defending Wilder and the referee in this thread :brick:


Ha ha well that one was totally crazy too! It looked like a Las Vegas fight.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:00 It's a NY rule.
:TU: Yeah New York State Athletic rules. Seems unique to me, but I'm more than willing to be corrected.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:41 Round eight was not well underway. Neither fighter was given the oppotunity to walk towards the centre of the ring. No punches were thrown.

This could simply be a case of you having defective eyeballs. Click on the YouTube video, which will take you straight to the end of round seven and see for yourself! :lol:



Here are the WBA's rules, which are consistent with the WBC's:

The Physician should then go to the boxer’s corner and monitor the boxer during the rest period and if necessary, examine him more closely at the end of the rest period.

If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round.

Your video doesn't work-"blocked in your country" . They make it impossible or almost impossible to find a video. of round 8 in that fight.

Don't post irrelevent rules over and over and over. you either don't understand what happened or you're trying to be deceptive. Here's your assignment: find a video showing all of round eight, preferably one that actually works.
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KiwiRider wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:58 :TU: Yeah New York State Athletic rules. Seems unique to me, but I'm more than willing to be corrected.
I believe it is unique. Just not unique to wilder like his 'fans' want to make it.
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Good excerpts here. You can see the boxers in the middle of the ring in rd 8. Then the ref stops the action. But what if it really was between rounds like the rules say the ring doctor can legally extend the time to examine the boxer? What reason would he have to examine wilder and extend the rest period? He wasn't cut. He was still wobbly from rd. 7 is all. What, can they extend thebetween round time of rest for the house fighter when he's still wobbly from the round b efore?


ring when the https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/03/lu ... o-recover/
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marvelous marv wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 03:41 I was there that night. Different referees acted similarly in the previous 5 fights on that card when a fighter was in trouble.


I have NEVER seen a fight where they interrupted the action to pretend to do a medical exam on a fighter who was just on wobbly legs and not gushing blood. That's crazy. That's the whole poi t of boxing to get your adcersary on wobbly legs and then knock him down. . How can you people defend that? Why didn't they stop round 10 to give Ortiz a medical examination? It's nuts. I don't know how peoe can defend it.
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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 04:00 Your video doesn't work-"blocked in your country" . They make it impossible or almost impossible to find a video. of round 8 in that fight.

Don't post irrelevent rules over and over and over. you either don't understand what happened or you're trying to be deceptive. Here's your assignment: find a video showing all of round eight, preferably one that actually works.
The video works well at my country, so just try to watch it via some vpn.
What everyone can see in this vid, is the following:
1. Wilder can take shots much better than Joshua.
2. Wilder have more guts and grit than Joshua.
3. At end of 7th, after taking 4-6 power punchs from Ortiz, Wilder walked to his corner pretty well.
4. No panic or pressure signs of his corner guys.
5. Round 8 started 12-15 seconds later...that's not what took the win from Ortiz.
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bigman1968 wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 04:33 ...
5. Round 8 started 12-15 seconds later...that's not what took the win from Ortiz.
...we'll never know it..Wilder was knackered and could use every extra second..these extra 15 seconds are long enough and don''t seem to be justified unless, of course, you wanted to give him a breather...
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Ilya Muromets wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 04:00 Your video doesn't work-"blocked in your country" . They make it impossible or almost impossible to find a video. of round 8 in that fight.

Don't post irrelevent rules over and over and over. you either don't understand what happened or you're trying to be deceptive. Here's your assignment: find a video showing all of round eight, preferably one that actually works.
You shouldn’t accuse me of posting irrelevant rules that are standard across the various governing bodies without having seen the fückïng video!

What I wrote perfectly describes what actually fûckîng happened!
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 05:59 You shouldn’t accuse me of posting irrelevant rules that are standard across the various governing bodies without having seen the fückïng video!

What I wrote perfectly describes what actually fûckîng happened!
I think you should REWATCH your own link
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