Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

[Enlightened-One]

I think you should REWATCH your own link

I did and the ref’s actions abide by the rules.

[greg]

I did and the ref’s actions abide by the rules.

there was a gong and round 8 actually STARTED and then was INTERRUPTED 2 seconds into round 8...

[Enlightened-One]

there was a gong and round 8 actually STARTED and then was INTERRUPTED 2 seconds into round 8...

Read the standard rule I quoted. What does it actually say?

[greg]

Read the standard rule I quoted. What does it actually say?

the question is not so much the rule itself, the question is WHY it was applied in this case when the doctor had 2 minutes during the break to have a look at Wilder and applied the rule once the round 8 started? WHY?

[Enlightened-One]

the question is not so much the rule itself, the question is WHY it was applied in this case when the doctor had 2 minutes during the break to have a look at Wilder and applied the rule once the round 8 started? WHY?

As long as you agree the rule I provided almost exactly describes Wilder’s situation between rounds seven and eight, that’s all that matters to me personally:

"If the Physician needs time to examine the boxer after the rest period, the Referee will call time out immediately after the bell rings to start the next round."

The problem viewers have, which I stated earlier, was Showtime’s insistence to display action replays rather than the activity occurring in Wilder’s corner during the minute interval. We couldn’t see the ringside physician gauge Deontay’s condition. Perhaps the doctor needed more time or maybe the ref felt that whatever happened was insufficient.

Based on what we saw though, the ref’s actions exactly mirrored the rulebook itself. He was entitled to get Wilder's physical state evaluated by a doctor.

If it was a BBBofC fight, the ref can request the ringside doctor to inspect a fighter at any time during the contest. I’ve seen similar rules detailed for other governing bodies as well.

As far as I’m concerned, the safety of a fighter takes precedence over anything else, regardless of whether the consequences of the doctor’s inspection consumes several valuable seconds that could affect the outcome of a contest.

Boxing is only a sport at the end of the day.

[greg]

As long as you agree the rule I provided almost exactly describes Wilder’s situation between rounds seven and eight, that’s all that matters to me personally.

The problem viewers have, which I stated earlier, was Showtime’s insistence to display action replays rather than the activity occurring in Wilder’s corner during the minute interval. We couldn’t see the ringside physician gauge Deontay’s condition. Perhaps the doctor needed more time or maybe the ref felt that whatever happened was insufficient.

Based on what we saw though, the ref’s actions exactly mirrored the rulebook itself. He was entitled to get Wilder's physical state evaluated by a doctor.

If it was a BBBofC fight, the ref can request the ringside doctor to look inspect a fighter at any time during the contest. I’ve seen similar rules detailed for other governing bodies as well.

As far as I’m concerned, the safety of a fighter takes precedence over anything else, regardless of whether the consequences of the doctor’s inspection consumes several valuable seconds that could affect the outcome of a contest.

Boxing is only a sport at the end of the day.

I certainly agree that the safety comes first...I can be wrong but what I observed during the break was:

..one of the two (?) physicians was about 2 meters away from Wilder und couldn't even see his face, the other one just passed this physician by without even looking at WIlder...and then there's a gong, the round starts and these fine professionals suddenly feel the urge to stop it (delaying the bout for 15 seconds) and have a real quick look at him...that was a hell of a check if you ask me...

[Enlightened-One]

I certainly agree that the safety comes first...I can be wrong but what I observed during the break was:

..one of the two (?) physicians was about 2 meters away from Wilder und couldn't even see his face, the other one just passed this physician by without even looking at WIlder...and then there's a gong, the round starts and these fine professionals suddenly feel the urge to stop it (delaying the bout for 15 seconds) and have a real quick look at him...that was a hell of a check if you ask me...

I’m no doctor and I don’t know how long it’s supposed to take to evaluate a fighter’s physical state. So I can’t comment on the competence of the ringside doctor.

However, as soon as Wilder sat on his stool at the very start of the one-minute interval, I felt that he should have been examined then. However, I haven’t bothered to research what is deemed as being the appropriate time to review a fighter’s physical state.

That being said, regardless the doctor’s actions, the referee was entitled (and I believe right) to take the opportunity, after a fighter has been badly hurt, to make sure they’re able to competently defend themselves.

[greg]

I’m no doctor and I don’t know how long it’s supposed to take to evaluate a fighter’s physical state. So I can’t comment on the competence of the ringside doctor.

However, as soon as Wilder sat on his stool at the very start of the one-minute interval, I felt that he should have been examined then. However, I haven’t bothered to research what is deemed as being the appropriate time to review a fighter’s physical state.

That being said, regardless the doctor’s actions, the referee was entitled (and I believe right) to take the opportunity, after a fighter has been badly hurt, to make sure they’re able to competently defend themselves.

..the boxers get hit and hurt all the time...not every boxer though seems to have the privilege to get extra time to recuperate ... I believe boxing fans have every right to start asking legit questions and demand answers from the officials especially in the high-profile bouts like this one..

[ironbeard]

..the boxers get hit and hurt all the time...not every boxer though seems to have the privilege to get extra time to recuperate ... I believe boxing fans have every right to start asking legit questions and demand answers from the officials especially in the high-profile bouts like this one..

Boxing fans also “have every right to start” reading the rules of specific jurisdictions prior to making fools of themselves for months on end.

[greg]

Boxing fans also “have every right to start” reading the rules of specific jurisdictions prior to making fools of themselves for months on end.

.. your point is well-taken I guess

[Enlightened-One]

..the boxers get hit and hurt all the time...not every boxer though seems to have the privilege to get extra time to recuperate ... I believe boxing fans have every right to start asking legit questions and demand answers from the officials especially in the high-profile bouts like this one..

Other people in this thread alleged corruption whilst admitting to not having recently seen the events unfold, as well as conceding their lack of knowledge about the rules.

Those sort of fight fans have no rights whatsoever. Their uneducated opinions are meaningless, since their derogatory stance is built on nothing but pure guesswork.

It seems you now understand the rules and have also just seen the situation yourself, so your opinion is perfectly valid.

[ironbeard]

I just heard that Justin Bieber became a fan of Deontay Wilder and challenged a nearly 60 year old small guy for a fight and if the old men doesn't accept he's suppost to be scared and such.

You just proved yourself a dumbass.

[Onetimeonly]

I'll tell you one thing. If wilder ever hits Joshua he'll have several minutes on his hands.

[marvelous marv]

I predict NY officials will continue to be extra cautious due to the Zab Judah situation this weekend.

[cormack]

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[oogiebe]

Because AJ lost, no one noticed that 26 seconds elapsed from the time he went down (fourth time) to the time the ref actually stopped the fight. Give me a break. Wilder wasn't helped by the ref. Fanboy BS.

[Ilya Muromets]

Here is the full fight. The bell rang and round eight had started. Then the ref stopped the fight to give wobbly Wilder more time to recover. Just listen to the announcers, Pauli Malignaggi and his partner.




Also:

[Ilya Muromets]

One of the comments from the Malignaggi video:

"yeah, but, did you see how hard Wilder smashed Ortiz's back head twice b4 threw him to the rope and down to the canvas at 10th rd? Ref not care about Ortiz's safety and asked him to stand up and continue the fight without warning to Wilder. Then Wilder start to windmill like crazy with those illegal punches, again, two big swings top down to the back of Ortiz's head, slap with inner glove 2X to the back side, then smashed him down with forearm to the back of the head too. He should disqualified by then. What say you??"

[Enlightened-One]

One of the comments from the Malignaggi video:

"yeah, but, did you see how hard Wilder smashed Ortiz's back head twice b4 threw him to the rope and down to the canvas at 10th rd? Ref not care about Ortiz's safety and asked him to stand up and continue the fight without warning to Wilder. Then Wilder start to windmill like crazy with those illegal punches, again, two big swings top down to the back of Ortiz's head, slap with inner glove 2X to the back side, then smashed him down with forearm to the back of the head too. He should disqualified by then. What say you??"

I noticed you didn’t retract your claims about “round eight being well underway” when the ref intervened and asked the doctor to inspect Wilder’s condition.

I also noticed that you didn’t explain the reason why the rules I cited were irrelevant.

Are you trying to avoid conceding to being proven wrong?

Come on, let's see what you can do!

[Ilya Muromets]

I noticed you didn’t retract your claims about “round eight being well underway” when the ref intervened and asked the doctor to inspect Wilder’s condition.

I also noticed that you didn’t explain the reason why the rules I cited were irrelevant.

Are you trying to avoid conceding to being proven wrong?

Come on, let's see what you can do!

"Well underway" was an exaggeration, but round eight was underway. There was no reason to stop it. If they felt Wilder shouldn't continue they should have called the fight off. They can't just give extra time to the house fighter to recover because he looks like he might be in trouble. If they wanted to examine him they should have done it between rounds.

[Susej_SOG]

Because AJ lost, no one noticed that 26 seconds elapsed from the time he went down (fourth time) to the time the ref actually stopped the fight. Give me a break. Wilder wasn't helped by the ref. Fanboy BS.

I noticed that, it was a dirty action too , to protect the massive star (Joshua).

They did the same with Ortiz vs Wilder

They protected the star

[Susej_SOG]

Here is the full fight. The bell rang and round eight had started. Then the ref stopped the fight to give wobbly Wilder more time to recover. Just listen to the announcers, Pauli Malignaggi and his partner.




Also:

https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=DQyMdUZTm1w

This action is too habitual


They were dirty and protected Wilder, period


Look that fight of Coggi vs González

Wilder was out of the fight.

[jamamb]

seems like a really random thread to make now, even our conspiracy boy illya had stopped, i think someones fishing

[armageto]

This stupid BS again. We saw the exact same thing happen twice this weekend in two different cards in NY, and multiple times since & before. Zero reason for this topic to be brought up again. Find something new to bitch about. This forum is complete wet dog shyt these days, f'n Christ.

[Enlightened-One]

"Well underway" was an exaggeration, but round eight was underway. There was no reason to stop it. If they felt Wilder shouldn't continue they should have called the fight off. They can't just give extra time to the house fighter to recover because he looks like he might be in trouble. If they wanted to examine him they should have done it between rounds.

Here are the WBCs rules:

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue. During the sixty (60) second rest period, a ring doctor may also on his own initiative examine a boxer in his corner, although he should not interfere with the seconds’ work...

The Showtime broadcast didn't show the ringside doctor using his own initiative to examine Wilder when he was sat on his stool during the interval, this is because they chose to display action replays instead.

So the referee correctly called a time out and invited the doctor to evaluate Wilder's ability to continue.

The referee followed the correct procedure, though one could easily argue the doctor himself should have inspected Wilder during the break, even though he correctly refrained from interfering with the seconds' work.

Either way, the referee did his job and followed the rules.

Unfortunately, Paulie Malignaggi’s comments misled viewers by implying that the referee’s actions were uncalled for, when in fact they 100% adhered to the WBC’s very own rules, which appear to be consistent amongst all the sports’ governing bodies.