Heavyweights: Tommy Morrison vs Jimmy Young

[scorpio83]

At their best at heavyweight, would Morrison swarm over the elusive Young with his body punches and a left hook to take a 15 round decision despite being unable to knock him out.? Or would Young use his jab, movement and counter punches to decision Morrison in 15 rounds like Young did to Ali, where people felt Young was robbed, upsetting George Foreman and Ron Lyle (twice), drew with Earnie Shavers in their rematch and against Ken Norton, where half of the people felt Young was robbed also? What do you guys think?

[keithmoonhangover]

Young by wiiiiiiiiiide decision.

[Woldemar]

Young by wide decision.Too much skilled boxer for Tommy.

[Onetimeonly]

I like Morrison here.

[DrDuke]

Young would be more likely to outbox Morrison, unless Tommy got to him with some clean bombs.

[oogiebe]

Morrison always does well when he's facing a guy who can't punch. Let's not forget that Morrison also had the ability to box really well.

[HomicideHenry]

If we're talking Jimmy Young from 1974-1977, Tommy Morrison doesn't have much of a shot beating him. If Shavers could only manage a draw, Foreman lost a decision, as did Ron Lyle, Ali had to be gifted a decision, and Norton arguably was also gifted a decision.... No way is Morrison winning.

Now Young from 1978-1990, Morrison absolutely knocks the snot out of him. If Cooney, Ocasio, Tubbs, Tucker, Page, Dokes, etc could do it so could Morrison.

[DrDuke]

If we're talking Jimmy Young from 1974-1977, Tommy Morrison doesn't have much of a shot beating him. If Shavers could only manage a draw, Foreman lost a decision, as did Ron Lyle, Ali had to be gifted a decision, and Norton arguably was also gifted a decision.... No way is Morrison winning.

Now Young from 1978-1990, Morrison absolutely knocks the snot out of him. If Cooney, Ocasio, Tubbs, Tucker, Page, Dokes, etc could do it so could Morrison.

Actually I won't take Lyle and Shavers bouts as factors in this particular case, cause Morrison was a better boxer, than those two. But obviously a schooling of young Foreman and very close Ali and Norton fights tell a lot.

[HomicideHenry]

Ron Lyle was in my view a good boxer. Outside of his power, he could put combinations together and he could set up trap's. He wasn't just a banger. From memory, he was beating Ali on the scorecards before getting stopped.

Shavers was just mind blowing in power. Outside of that he wasn't all that good. He had stamina issues. He was prone to cuts. He could be out fought or out boxed, as Quarry and Holmes shown. But all he needed was one shot more times than not. If you could survive the first few rounds you had a helluva chance.

[DrDuke]

Ron Lyle was in my view a good boxer. Outside of his power, he could put combinations together and he could set up trap's. He wasn't just a banger. From memory, he was beating Ali on the scorecards before getting stopped.

Shavers was just mind blowing in power. Outside of that he wasn't all that good. He had stamina issues. He was prone to cuts. He could be out fought or out boxed, as Quarry and Holmes shown. But all he needed was one shot more times than not. If you could survive the first few rounds you had a helluva chance.

Lyle was good, but still he was more of a puncher, than a boxer. Ali was toying with him for the majority of the fight, Quarry outclassed him.

And yes, Shavers was even more linked to the puncher's status.

[Onetimeonly]

Young would be more likely to outbox Morrison, unless Tommy got to him with some clean bombs.

Tommy was fast and strong. I don't think laying on the ropes would work out well for Jimmy.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Young survives getting caught a couple of time's to win a clear un dec

[DrDuke]

Tommy was fast and strong. I don't think laying on the ropes would work out well for Jimmy.

You could be right. It was better to move against such fast and vicious puncher Tommy was.

[Cojimar 1946]

I think Morrison is pretty overrated. Not only did he lose whenever he stepped up in competition but he frequently struggled with inferior opposition.

Were talking about a guy who couldn't do better than draw with Ross Purrity (while getting decked twice)
who lost to Michael Bentt.
who got dropped multiple times by a shot Carl Williams.

Do people think Jimmy Young loses to Michael Bentt and Ross Purrity?

[oogiebe]

Morrison was basically a gatekeeper. When he stepped up he lost badly. What is there on his resume to suggest he poses any sort of threat to Young?

He was masterful and stuck to a game plan against Foreman. He had some really good performances. Young was overrated.

[Cojimar 1946]

He was masterful and stuck to a game plan against Foreman. He had some really good performances. Young was overrated.

Not against quality opposition. I hardly think outboxing that version of Foreman tells us much. Axel Schultz outboxed Foreman only to get robbed by the judges. Does Axel Schultz also beat Jimmy Young?

Jimmy Young has quality wins and during his prime nothing comparable to the Purrity and Bentt debacles

[oogiebe]

Not against quality opposition. I hardly think outboxing that version of Foreman tells us much. Axel Schultz outboxed Foreman only to get robbed by the judges. Does Axel Schultz also beat Jimmy Young?

Jimmy Young has quality wins and during his prime nothing comparable to the Purrity and Bentt debacles

To be forthright, I saw Young during the 70's and really hated him, so I admit I may be biased. His ducking inside the ropes to avoid punishment really irked me.

[jamamb]

I think Morrison is pretty overrated. Not only did he lose whenever he stepped up in competition but he frequently struggled with inferior opposition.

Were talking about a guy who couldn't do better than draw with Ross Purrity (while getting decked twice)
who lost to Michael Bentt.
who got dropped multiple times by a shot Carl Williams.

Do people think Jimmy Young loses to Michael Bentt and Ross Purrity?

i dont think tommy gets rated high enough to be overrated tbh, most ppl know he was athletically gifted with some explosivness to his speed and power, but very flawed overall

[Onetimeonly]

i dont think tommy gets rated high enough to be overrated tbh, most ppl know he was athletically gifted with some explosivness to his speed and power, but very flawed overall

He's underrated. Where as cooney who Tommy was better then, is overly romanticized. Both were vulnerable but Morrison brought more to the table and accomplished.

[Cojimar 1946]

He's underrated. Where as cooney who Tommy was better then, is overly romanticized. Both were vulnerable but Morrison brought more to the table and accomplished.

Are Ross Purrity and Michael Bentt also underrated in your opinion? I'm just wondering, given what they both did to Morrison

I would say Morrison was at about the same level as Ross Purrity, Axel Schultz, and Frans Botha.

[HomicideHenry]

Bentt actually had potential and ability. He just didn't really love the game. Like Buster Douglas. "I'm a fighter not an athlete," type of mentality.

Purity, I think is somewhat underrated. He wasn't as horrible as people made him out to be. Sure his greatest attribute was toughness, but he was a very well conditioned man who could bang back. He was a spoiler, sorta like Bert Cooper. Maybe not as good, but not too far off.

[Onetimeonly]

Bentt actually had potential and ability. He just didn't really love the game. Like Buster Douglas. "I'm a fighter not an athlete," type of mentality.

Purity, I think is somewhat underrated. He wasn't as horrible as people made him out to be. Sure his greatest attribute was toughness, but he was a very well conditioned man who could bang back. He was a spoiler, sorta like Bert Cooper. Maybe not as good, but not too far off.

Wlad knows Ross didn't suck. Cooper was much better and much less dedicated.

[Cojimar 1946]

Bentt actually had potential and ability. He just didn't really love the game. Like Buster Douglas. "I'm a fighter not an athlete," type of mentality.

Purity, I think is somewhat underrated. He wasn't as horrible as people made him out to be. Sure his greatest attribute was toughness, but he was a very well conditioned man who could bang back. He was a spoiler, sorta like Bert Cooper. Maybe not as good, but not too far off.

Jimmy Young proved he could compete with the top dogs of his era. He beat Foreman and Lyle and lost a highly controversial decision to Ken Norton that many thought he deserved to win. There is a pretty big contrast with a guy who got blown out by Bentt and struggled with the likes of Purrity.

You would basically be arguing that the journeymen of the 1990s are as good as the very best of the 1970s.

[oogiebe]

Wlad knows Ross didn't suck. Cooper was much better and much less dedicated.

LOL! That he did!

[Cojimar 1946]

LOL! That he did!

The huge multitude of fighters who easily beat Ross Purrity might disagree. I'm tempted to list them all but it's a long list.