If Ortiz defeats Wilder.....Good or bad for HW division ?

[Enlightened-One]

A middle-aged fighter that has tested positive on two separate occasions for banned substances, receiving an undeserved shot at the championship simply because he’s a stablemate, a man that has previously ducked the likes of Dillian Whyte and Anthony Joshua, whilst also possessing a deeply unimpressive resume in the pro ranks, upsetting the odds to become a world champion?

Wouldn't that scupper the possibility (at least in the short-term) of fights between Wilder-Fury, Wilder-Joshua, Wilder-Whyte and Wilder-Ruiz Jr.?

That can’t be a good thing, can it?

[Loki]

A middle-aged fighter that has tested positive on two separate occasions for banned substances, receiving an undeserved shot at the championship simply because he’s a stablemate, a man that has previously ducked the likes of Dillian Whyte and Anthony Joshua, whilst also possessing a deeply unimpressive resume in the pro ranks, upsetting the odds to become a world champion?

Wouldn't that scupper the possibility (at least in the short-term) of fights between Wilder-Fury, Wilder-Joshua, Wilder-Whyte and Wilder-Ruiz Jr.?

That can’t be a good thing, can it?

Although I agree with PED and worthiness assessment, I don’t think he ducked AJ or Whyte. I think Whyte ducked him or certainly didn’t want to risk it and he was only offered AJ at the last minute. In hindsight, he probably regrets the latter.

[DrDuke]

Every good fight and fair play is good for the sport, no matter who wins.

[ValMar]

Although I agree with PED and worthiness assessment, I don’t think he ducked AJ or Whyte. I think Whyte ducked him or certainly didn’t want to risk it and he was only offered AJ at the last minute. In hindsight, he probably regrets the latter.

I agree.

[Enlightened-One]

Although I agree with PED and worthiness assessment, I don’t think he ducked AJ or Whyte. I think Whyte ducked him or certainly didn’t want to risk it and he was only offered AJ at the last minute. In hindsight, he probably regrets the latter.

Hearn submitted two offers for Ortiz to face Whyte and one for the Cuban to fight AJ.

For the Whyte ducking, Ortiz claimed he needed more time to prepare for the fight date, so he refused to face the Brit, but then ended up fighting on precisely the same date anyway.

The Ortiz ducking of Joshua was due to the Cuban’s team of claiming he was low-balled, but when Hearn threatened to publish the actual terms, Luis’ team admitted to making a mistake. They thought that by declining the initial offer, Hearn would submit a better one, regardless of whether the initial purse amount being offered being fûckîng massive!

They were wrong.

[ValMar]

Hearn submitted two offers for Ortiz to face Whyte and one for the Cuban to fight AJ.

For the Whyte ducking, Ortiz claimed he needed more time to prepare for the fight date, so he refused to face the Brit, but then ended up fighting on precisely the same date anyway.

The Ortiz ducking of Joshua was due to the Cuban’s team of claiming he was low-balled, but when Hearn threatened to publish the actual terms, Luis’ team admitted to making a mistake. They thought that by declining the initial offer, Hearn would submit a better one, regardless of whether the initial purse amount being offered being fûckîng massive!

They were wrong.

I would not call this a "ducking", rather a "mismanagement".

[oogiebe]

I would not call this a "ducking", rather a "mismanagement".

There you go! Way better. Gross Mismanagement!

[Enlightened-One]

I would not call this a "ducking", rather a "mismanagement".

Yes I agree.

I don’t believe that any fighter “ducks” because of fear. It’s nearly always because of fiscal or business reasons.

Ortiz rejected multiple offers to face Whyte and Joshua for non-sporting reasons.

And to be fair, Whyte and Joshua would be heavily-favoured to beat the Cuban, at least AJ would have been prior to the Ruiz Jr. bout.

Either way, Ortiz declined multiple opportunities to face Whyte and Joshua, which means he failed to fulfil his alleged “fearsome” reputation, even though his resume in the pro ranks is fairly dire.

If you’re Dillian Whyte though, and you’ve got all these guys that fight fans heavily praise, saying “no”, then what on earth are you supposed to do?

Luis Ortiz and Deontay Wilder are both fighting for the WBC world title soon, but both men have rejected multiple opportunities to face Dillian Whyte.

[ValMar]

Yes I agree.

I don’t believe that any fighter “ducks” because of fear. It’s nearly always because of fiscal or business reasons.

Ortiz rejected multiple offers to face Whyte and Joshua for non-sporting reasons.

And to be fair, Whyte and Joshua would be heavily-favoured to beat the Cuban, at least AJ would have been prior to the Ruiz Jr. bout.

Either way, Ortiz declined multiple opportunities to face Whyte and Joshua, which means he failed to fulfil his alleged “fearsome” reputation, even though his resume in the pro ranks is fairly dire.

The greedy promoters should be blamed for 90 % "duckings"....................

[Enlightened-One]

The greedy promoters should be blamed for 90 % "duckings"....................

I agree, but regardless, Luis Ortiz and Deontay Wilder are both fighting for the WBC world title soon, but both men have rejected multiple opportunities to face Dillian Whyte.

And us fight fans shouldn’t be giving free passes to fighters that refuse to face their peers.

[oogiebe]

Hard to knock a fighter who selects to fight Wilder over Whyte. Whyte isn't a big fight for anyone but AJ. He's overrated and getting attention more for his big talk then his fighting prowess. Granted he's earned a title shot by action, but he refused one because he said he was 'low-balled.' I have no compassion for him. Wilder would blather him anyway. Ortiz at age 40+ needs to guard his career at this time rather than his rep as was stated in a prior post. Although refusing the AJ fight is a head scratcher.

[ewenhay]

Hard to knock a fighter who selects to fight Wilder over Whyte. Whyte isn't a big fight for anyone but AJ. He's overrated and getting attention more for his big talk then his fighting prowess. Granted he's earned a title shot by action, but he refused one because he said he was 'low-balled.' I have no compassion for him. Wilder would blather him anyway. Ortiz at age 40+ needs to guard his career at this time rather than his rep as was stated in a prior post. Although refusing the AJ fight is a head scratcher.

I think he knew the Wilder rematch was in the pipeline and felt he had a better chance of winning that and making some money out of being a champion rather than gambling on cashing in on the Joshua fight where he possibly wasn't as confident as winning.

[ValMar]

I think he knew the Wilder rematch was in the pipeline and felt he had a better chance of winning that and making some money out of being a champion rather than gambling on cashing in on the Joshua fight where he possibly wasn't as confident as winning.

I think Ortiz think about the best retirement pay-day. If he is really capable to beat Wilder, the rematch will be very lucrative, surely.

[ewenhay]

I think Ortiz think about the best retirement pay-day. If he is really capable to beat Wilder, the rematch will be very lucrative, surely.

Yeah I think they knew the Wilder fight was promised so they could chance their arm in the negotiations with Joshua. Obviously they chanced it too far. But I reckon Ruiz fancies beating Wilder far more than beating Joshua

[ValMar]

Yeah I think they knew the Wilder fight was promised so they could chance their arm in the negotiations with Joshua. Obviously they chanced it too far. But I reckon Ruiz fancies beating Wilder far more than beating Joshua

I agree.............

[fanman]

it's not great, as wilder is a very powerful and exciting champ.
but who cares. this is sport. you have to prove it each time. no one picked perfect aj to lose to fatty but it happened.
similarly ortiz showed last time that he can outbox wilder quite well, just got caught a few times and got tired.
may the best man win. if ortiz does, will probably be a trilogy.
one thing i will say. this is all slowing down the creation of an undisputed champ. fury/wilder/ruiz-aj
until these 3 face off you dont have a true champ. ... though fury was true champ 3 yrs ago, and came back and beat the no.2 around, though got a draw only.

[tennessee]

Think sport is better with an unbeaten big puncher as champ.

[ironbeard]

Think sport is better with an unbeaten big puncher as champ.

Why?

If Ortiz wins the rematch it will delight Wilder haters, old farts like me, and all the boxers scared to death to get in the ring with the “unbeaten big puncher.”

I just want the best man on the night to get the W.

[ValMar]

Why?

If Ortiz wins the rematch it will delight Wilder haters, old farts like me, and all the boxers scared to death to get in the ring with the “unbeaten big puncher.”

I just want the best man on the night to get the W.

He (Wilder) is really a big puncher, unbeaten or not, and I may understand all the boxers "scared to death"....................

[coneye]

Be good for boxing , Wilder lets have it right , WHO has he fought , he beat Ortiz A OLD MAN ,, he then took on Fury , and lets be real honest ONLY because Fury was coming off a big lay off and lots of problems , But yet Fury still managed to outbox him , the only redeeming factor was he landed a couple of big punches .

Facts are Fury himself is vastly overated , Ok he beat an aging Klitchko , but he did'nt do it convincingly Klitchko was finished , done and dusted at that time . Its time for these belts to be unified , and for the top fella's to actually fight each other , If Wilder loses he'll either retire and get out the kitchen , or he'll take on Ruiz , and the other top fighters , .

These belts have been held hostage for too long by Wilder and AJ , time for a change of the guard ,,,O'K Ruiz has a rematch clause that AJ has activated , BUT , something like that has never ever stopped boxers from using each others names , to gain a bigger profile ....BUT .... Can't help but notice , neither Wilder or Fury , have been coming out and saying let me at him , I want a crack at them belts , line him up ,,, Neither i think will go near Ruiz , , Tyson well he has the skill to play matador and beat Ruiz ,, but Ruiz has better footwork tthan Wilder and will close Fury down , and if Cunningham can drop him Ruiz will KO him , ,, Wilder , well he has the punch to drop Ruiz , but Ruiz has the chin and skills to close him down and KO him .

For me i think Ruiz is gonna be dodged like buggery by these two , he'll probably lose to a Parker , or someone else , but i don't think Wilder or Fury will risk it , and thats why Ortiz beating Wilder will be good for the sport , it will open it up once there not protecting that 0

[ironbeard]

Be good for boxing , Wilder lets have it right , WHO has he fought , he beat Ortiz A OLD MAN ,, he then took on Fury , and lets be real honest ONLY because Fury was coming off a big lay off and lots of problems , But yet Fury still managed to outbox him , the only redeeming factor was he landed a couple of big punches .

Facts are Fury himself is vastly overated , Ok he beat an aging Klitchko , but he did'nt do it convincingly Klitchko was finished , done and dusted at that time . Its time for these belts to be unified , and for the top fella's to actually fight each other , If Wilder loses he'll either retire and get out the kitchen , or he'll take on Ruiz , and the other top fighters , .

These belts have been held hostage for too long by Wilder and AJ , time for a change of the guard ,,,O'K Ruiz has a rematch clause that AJ has activated , BUT , something like that has never ever stopped boxers from using each others names , to gain a bigger profile ....BUT .... Can't help but notice , neither Wilder or Fury , have been coming out and saying let me at him , I want a crack at them belts , line him up ,,, Neither i think will go near Ruiz , , Tyson well he has the skill to play matador and beat Ruiz ,, but Ruiz has better footwork tthan Wilder and will close Fury down , and if Cunningham can drop him Ruiz will KO him , ,, Wilder , well he has the punch to drop Ruiz , but Ruiz has the chin and skills to close him down and KO him .

For me i think Ruiz is gonna be dodged like buggery by these two , he'll probably lose to a Parker , or someone else , but i don't think Wilder or Fury will risk it , and thats why Ortiz beating Wilder will be good for the sport , it will open it up once there not protecting that 0

And that is why TFKoB is The Man to beat. He would fight any of them with 4-6 weeks notice.

Excellent post Coneye.

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It won't be good, but it would he hilarious.

All the marinate lovers will be weeping into their sour grapes.

[tiny_acres]

It won't be good, but it would he hilarious.

All the marinate lovers will be weeping into their sour grapes.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on any forum say they love for fights to marinate.
All I've seen is some people understand why and just accept it for what it is.

[SenorPipino]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on any forum say they love for fights to marinate.
All I've seen is some people understand why and just accept it for what it is.

Yeah. I don't love marination, but in an era where even the names of top boxers (save Pacquiao) draw a blank expression from ordinary sports fans, building up fighters over a lengthy period is a necessity.

Promoters want to turn a profit. Elite fighters want huge purses. If you don't drag out the promotional process in hopes of turning talented but obscure names into high profile personalities, where is the money going to come from?

Fans won't fork out big bucks to watch 2 guys they're unfamiliar with. No matter how skilled they might be.

Marination is necessary because boxing is now only a niche sport that few follow. The sport has fallen so far off the radar that a heavy dose of seasoning is also necessary to go along with that marinating process.

[oogiebe]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on any forum say they love for fights to marinate.
All I've seen is some people understand why and just accept it for what it is.

I agree as well. Fight "marination" has been mentioned but never in a good light by posters here. Hopefully, Ruiz's upset of AJ will put an end to it for some time.