Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

[ironbeard]

I have not any hat.

Do you have a placemat?

[keirw]

I will tell you what effs me off about boxing is someone who I do respect like Tyson, who knows the game and how it works and all the BS, being inconsistent in their views and not being able to be objective when it comes to themselves.

Example - Fury and Warren were on Good Morning with Piers and kept repeating that Schwarz is the rated two at heavyweight, with no explanation. It was repeated so often that casual fans will think he has pulled off another huge win on the weekend and will have beaten the actual second best at the weight (despite that breaking down on even casual knowledge and logic as they all know Wilder and AJ plus that AJ lost so he has to be behind them).

No one added the "rated number 2 by one organisation, in their rankings, but probably only really top 30-40 in actual ratings"

Yeah, I had to turn off at that point, Ruiz would beat Schwartz handily.

Most boxing fans knew that even before the Joshua fight.

[Ilya Muromets]

I would believe you more if you claimed you would eat your hat.

Ha ha that was me! I was going on about the GGG fight and his "rated number two" opponent. (Boxrec ranks Schwarz #56 and he has never beaten anyone ranked higher that #147).

[tennessee]

Big guy gonna look good knocking out Tom Shorts this weekend. Cant wait!

[Ilya Muromets]

It might be a mismatch but at least he's not beating up on some pathetic little fat kid like Joshua.

[ironbeard]

It might be a mismatch but at least he's not beating up on some pathetic little fat kid like Joshua.

You mean TFKoB? I don’t think anyone actually in the sport of boxing, including AJ, thought of him as “some pathetic little fat kid.”

Fury could have at least given Kabayel a shot.

[ValMar]

Do you have a placemat?

If I have to choose, I will rather eat a placemat than abstain of following boxing.

[ewenhay]

You mean TFKoB? I don’t think anyone actually in the sport of boxing, including AJ, thought of him as “some pathetic little fat kid.”

Fury could have at least given Kabayel a shot.

Just about everyone, including myself, bar a handful of posters, wrote off Ruiz and thought it would be an easy Joshua win.

[jamamb]

It might be a mismatch but at least he's not beating up on some pathetic little fat kid like Joshua.

well first off ruiz is way better then schwarz, and second of aj didnt exaclty beat up on fat andy did he

[Ilya Muromets]

well first off ruiz is way better then schwarz, and second of aj didnt exaclty beat up on fat andy did he

Just kidding, but what Ewenhay said right above. Maybe it is the Chinese Year of Surprises.

[ironbeard]

Just about everyone, including myself, bar a handful of posters, wrote off Ruiz and thought it would be an easy Joshua win.

I also chose AJ, by 8th round stoppage. But, I was not the only casual fan who recognized TFKoB’s skills.

I cannot imagine many in the industry thinking of The KoBcat as a pathetic little fat kid, even prior to the fight. I think that most everyone underestimated his chin and his power.

[candyslim]

When Fury is forced to talk up an opponent, instead of calling him a worthless dosser, then you know the guy is pretty bad.

That is so true.

[candyslim]

I also chose AJ, by 8th round stoppage. But, I was not the only casual fan who recognized TFKoB’s skills.

I cannot imagine many in the industry thinking of The KoBcat as a pathetic little fat kid, even prior to the fight. I think that most everyone underestimated his chin and his power.

I think even those of us who were saying "This guy has proven himself to be on Parker's level. The dude can fight" still managed to greatly underestimate him.

Of course it could be he is on Parker's level and Joshua's very un-Joshua like performance made him look unstoppable but even if that were the case he was always going to be deserving of vastly more respect than he was getting from those who couldn't see further than Andy's waist measurement.

[ironbeard]

I think even those of us who were saying "This guy has proven himself to be on Parker's level. The dude can fight" still managed to greatly underestimate him.

Of course it could be he is on Parker's level and Joshua's very un-Joshua like performance made him look unstoppable but even if that were the case he was always going to be deserving of vastly more respect than he was getting from those who couldn't see further than Andy's waist measurement.

A lot of them still refuse to give it to him.

[Ilya Muromets]

I also chose AJ, by 8th round stoppage. But, I was not the only casual fan who recognized TFKoB’s skills.

I cannot imagine many in the industry thinking of The KoBcat as a pathetic little fat kid, even prior to the fight. I think that most everyone underestimated his chin and his power.

I don't know what all those letters stand for and sure I was kidding around and exaggerating , but remember Ruiz had been knocking around the pros for over ten years, going no place particularly fast, hardly anyone being very impressed with him (just look through the threads on here about heavyweight contenders. and see how many mentioned him), just a late makeshift no hoper oponent for Joshua...

[ironbeard]

I don't know what all those letters stand for and sure I was kidding around and exaggerating , but remember Ruiz had been knocking around the pros for over ten years, going no place particularly fast, hardly anyone being very impressed with him (just look through the threads on here about heavyweight contenders. and see how many mentioned him), just a late makeshift no hoper oponent for Joshua...

“Knocking around?” Dude has defeated everyone put in front of him, with the exception of Parker in a fight I thought he shaded but could not argue with it, in New Zealand that he trained himself for.

TFKoB is the best thing going in the HW div. You won’t see him denying the ex-champ his rematch, getting caught for PEDS, drinking and coking himself into a stupor and blaming it on mental issues.

You won’t find The KoBcat avoiding anyone. Who wants some? ALL HAIL THE ONE TRUE KING OF BOXING!!

[Ilya Muromets]

“Knocking around?” Dude has defeated everyone put in front of him, with the exception of Parker in a fight I thought he shaded but could not argue with it, in New Zealand that he trained himself for.

TFKoB is the best thing going in the HW div. You won’t see him denying the ex-champ his rematch, getting caught for PEDS, drinking and coking himself into a stupor and blaming it on mental issues.

You won’t find The KoBcat avoiding anyone. Who wants some? ALL HAIL THE ONE TRUE KING OF BOXING!!

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That means "Except for Parker he never even fought a top guy before Joshua".

[HomicideHenry]

Ironbeard, imho, is being sarcastic. He has no real admiration for Ruiz who he's dubbed The Fat King of Boxing. It's more like a snub towards the present era of the heavyweight division. I may be wrong but that's the way I take it to mean.

But in my eyes, even if the sarcasm was warranted--- how can he really knock Fury, Joshua or Wilder, let alone Ruiz? It's not much different than the 80s.

Joshua may as well be Weaver, the black Hercules. Ruiz may as well be Tony Tubbs, the Cincinnati Fatty. And who the hell wasn't a cokehead in the 1980s? Wilder... meh... He's more like 1930s heavyweight champion Max Baer. Fury may be a poor man's Larry Holmes, but he's clearly above the rest of the division.

[ironbeard]

Ironbeard, imho, is being sarcastic. He has no real admiration for Ruiz who he's dubbed The Fat King of Boxing. It's more like a snub towards the present era of the heavyweight division. I may be wrong but that's the way I take it to mean.

But in my eyes, even if the sarcasm was warranted--- how can he really knock Fury, Joshua or Wilder, let alone Ruiz? It's not much different than the 80s.

Joshua may as well be Weaver, the black Hercules. Ruiz may as well be Tony Tubbs, the Cincinnati Fatty. And who the hell wasn't a cokehead in the 1980s? Wilder... meh... He's more like 1930s heavyweight champion Max Baer. Fury may be a poor man's Larry Holmes, but he's clearly above the rest of the division.

You one of those “linearal” disease believers, Homi?

Your opinion is wrong, per usual. The KoBcat defeated The Man. He is now The Man to beat.

Andy Ruiz Jr is The Fat King of Boxing, If Fury wants it, I am positive that The Man will give him his shot. I am not convinced Fury wants it.

Shwortz?

TFKoB would beat him to a pulp.

[HomicideHenry]

I find it interesting how AJ and Ruiz both basically want Wilder, rather than Fury. Why is that? Because of the WBC title? Or is it because he's the only one of the champions they actually could beat?

Lineal.... meh.... Joe Louis once fought a man who was 3-3-0 (1) and the NYSAC title was on the line.... Muhammad Ali fought Coopman & Evangelista.... Etc

"To be the man one must beat the man", and that was true when Jeffries lost to Johnson, when Louis lost to Charles, and when Ali lost to Frazier. So regardless of how people view the belt situation, Fury is the one nagging bit of doubt, the one wagging finger--- until he's beaten, nobody can claim to really be the man.

Did not Joe Louis say, "Don't call me champ until I beat Max Schmeling?", where is the pride amongst these belt holders? They only want belts, trinkets, ornaments, pretty little trophies. They don't care about legacy or legitimacy.

Otherwise it'd be Fury that Joshua and Ruiz would want to get out of the way. Not Wilder, who Fury actually defeated regardless what the record books say. Not Wilder, the wild swinging amateur who after 40+ bouts is still the same fighter he was in his pro debut. Not Wilder, who makes Ingemar Johansson look like Julio Cesar Chavez in comparison.

Like it or not Fury is what the old-timer's called "the uncrowned champion," the man of real mettle and substance.

[HomicideHenry]

[ironbeard]

I find it interesting how AJ and Ruiz both basically want Wilder, rather than Fury. Why is that? Because of the WBC title? Or is it because he's the only one of the champions they actually could beat?

Lineal.... meh.... Joe Louis once fought a man who was 3-3-0 (1) and the NYSAC title was on the line.... Muhammad Ali fought Coopman & Evangelista.... Etc

"To be the man one must beat the man", and that was true when Jeffries lost to Johnson, when Louis lost to Charles, and when Ali lost to Frazier. So regardless of how people view the belt situation, Fury is the one nagging bit of doubt, the one wagging finger--- until he's beaten, nobody can claim to really be the man.

Did not Joe Louis say, "Don't call me champ until I beat Max Schmeling?", where is the pride amongst these belt holders? They only want belts, trinkets, ornaments, pretty little trophies. They don't care about legacy or legitimacy.

Otherwise it'd be Fury that Joshua and Ruiz would want to get out of the way. Not Wilder, who Fury actually defeated regardless what the record books say. Not Wilder, the wild swinging amateur who after 40+ bouts is still the same fighter he was in his pro debut. Not Wilder, who makes Ingemar Johansson look like Julio Cesar Chavez in comparison.

Like it or not Fury is what the old-timer's called "the uncrowned champion," the man of real mettle and substance.

Absolute bullish!t.

Guy gets a close decision over the champ and has NOT the mettle to honor the rematch agreement. Instead he goes on a 2 year bender, and plays the sympathy card on top of it. Oh, and there’s that little PED issue, or does the U.K. have the same problem with their meat as Mexico?

Fury gave up his championship in the most pathetic of fashions. When he earns it back I will give him credit.

He did NOT defeat Wilder, and beating up a security guard does not equate to stopping AJ..

Andy Ruiz Jr is The Man to beat.

[KiwiRider]

You one of those “linearal” disease believers, Homi?

Your opinion is wrong, per usual. The KoBcat defeated The Man. He is now The Man to beat.

Andy Ruiz Jr is The Fat King of Boxing, If Fury wants it, I am positive that The Man will give him his shot. I am not convinced Fury wants it.

Shwortz?

TFKoB would beat him to a pulp.

Man's entitled to his opinion.

[HomicideHenry]

I'm disappointed Fury didn't rematch Klitschko.

But is it any more infuriating than Rocky Marciano, top of his game, retiring out of nowhere? Or Gene Tunney? Or Joe Calzaghe? Etc.

Clearly with Fury it was some sort of mental issue. Who the hell throws it all away and balloons to 400 pounds and makes a fool out of himself?

Had he rematched Klitschko in such a state, it'd of been no real victory for Klitschko. So, Fury did the right thing in having a long sabbatical rather than show up in a state of disgrace which would have hurt the division potentially worse than him leaving.

There's honor in admitting something is off with you and not pretending everything is fine--- there's no honor faking it just so the fans get screwed out of their money with you showing up like some turd like Buster Douglas did against Holyfield.

And contrary to your revisionist history Ironbeard, more than 90% of the public thought Fury won. Everybody knew it. The fact Wilder couldn't knock out a guy who had been a dope head for three years, and still pretty hefty, and hadn't fought anybody of consequence--- and outside of those two rounds he got a knockdown in, he lost every round--- shows Wilder's certainly no champion.

That draw was the luckiest thing that could have ever happened to Wilder. And you know it Ironbeard. Or do you just get off on being obtuse on purpose just for a reaction?

"The Man" of any division doesn't get absolutely destroyed by 15-1 underdogs. "The Man" of any division doesn't get schooled by coked out fat men. "The Man" of any division doesn't just give up and quit in his corner. "The Man" of the division doesn't just sit back and say NOTHING when your opponent says you're second best to him--- and fornicating fist bump him afterwards.

[ironbeard]

Man's entitled to his opinion.

Yes, I am. and so is everyone else.

If they want to express their beliefs in the omnipotent figments of their imaginations, they have that right.

If they want to express their beliefs that the world is a pancake, or a hollow coconut, they have that right.

I also have the right to inform them that they are full of sh!t.