Fight Fire With Fire if Lomachenko and Kovalev had some of Bredis in them they might have beat Ward and Salido

[victor-romeo]

The "rabbit" punch that Golwacki hit Bredis with was not your average rabbit punch it could have seriously hurt Bredis Bredis responded in kind with a very bad foul of his own. I don't blame him if Kovalev and Lomachenko hit back low against Ward and Salido they might have won their fights but they didn't have enough Bredis in them.

I was super impressed with Bredis today, what a great day of boxing,

[gilgamesh]

I didn't see the Breidis/Glowacki fight, but I'd agree with this. If you get fouled, and the referee don't call it. Foul the guy back even harder than he fouled you. That'd be my philosophy as both trainer and fighter.

Of course I'm sure there'd be some instances where this strategy would backfire as a hometown ref might be looking to warn YOU, but he won't say sh*t to the other guy. Now that could be a problem, but overall...yeah I'd say this is the way to approach it. It's a fight. If they wanna take it there, take it there back with 'em so hard they'll regret having ever taken it there in the first place.

[victor-romeo]

I didn't see the Breidis/Glowacki fight, but I'd agree with this. If you get fouled, and the referee don't call it. Foul the guy back even harder than he fouled you. That'd be my philosophy as both trainer and fighter.

Of course I'm sure there'd be some instances where this strategy would backfire as a hometown ref might be looking to warn YOU, but he won't say sh*t to the other guy. Now that could be a problem, but overall...yeah I'd say this is the way to approach it. It's a fight. If they wanna take it there, take it there back with 'em so hard they'll regret having ever taken it there in the first place.

[DrDuke]

That's right. Of course, fouling is bad, but you must use it properly. You should fight and never complain, never pretend to be hurt with fouling moves.

[ironbeard]

Glowacki got what he deserved. Briedis is a mean mofo.

[greg]

The "rabbit" punch that Golwacki hit Bredis with was not your average rabbit punch it could have seriously hurt Bredis Bredis responded in kind with a very bad foul of his own. I don't blame him if Kovalev and Lomachenko hit back low against Ward and Salido they might have won their fights but they didn't have enough Bredis in them.

I was super impressed with Bredis today, what a great day of boxing,

I don't necessarily share your feelings regarding the outcome...Speaking of Loma and Kovalev, they could have tried that elsewhere, would have been disqualified in Vegas by a dream team...

[dagilechia]

I didn't see the Breidis/Glowacki fight, but I'd agree with this. If you get fouled, and the referee don't call it. Foul the guy back even harder than he fouled you. That'd be my philosophy as both trainer and fighter.

Of course I'm sure there'd be some instances where this strategy would backfire as a hometown ref might be looking to warn YOU, but he won't say sh*t to the other guy. Now that could be a problem, but overall...yeah I'd say this is the way to approach it. It's a fight. If they wanna take it there, take it there back with 'em so hard they'll regret having ever taken it there in the first place.

So why we even need referees in boxing lol

[tigermoth87]

I agree. If someone's pulling bullshit moves, fighters should do the same. Like Kessler getting headbutted constantly by Ward, he should have just lumped the nut on him in turn.

I liked when Hatton kept getting lowblowed by Kosta and did the most blatant punch to the bollocks in return.

[greg]

..it's all easier said than done...Bredis was boxing at home and could have possibly got away with murder ..

[boxing_rocks]

Loma beat Salido anyway, but yes, his win would be absolutely clear if he was fauling back.

[greg]

..this thread raises a bigger issue: who the hell were/are all these officials in charge..I don't mean that in a geographical kind of way 'cause I know where they are from..it's more of an issue how on earth do they get access to these high-profile fights: do they have any training at all? if so, is it like 2-week summer seminars and then you get your licence? is there any on-the-job training? any ongoing courses, etc? seems like these top "professionals" are capable to handle standard procedures and are totally helpless and clueless once the situation gets a bit out of hand...

[gilgamesh]

So why we even need referees in boxing lol

To enforce the rules. Which is what they do.

That is needed.

As the fighter though you can't concern yourself with that. Your job is to fight. THEIR job is to enforce the rules. If your opponent is bending the rules, do what you have to do to WIN THE FIGHT. Legal or not.

[gilgamesh]

I agree. If someone's pulling bullshit moves, fighters should do the same. Like Kessler getting headbutted constantly by Ward, he should have just lumped the nut on him in turn.

I liked when Hatton kept getting lowblowed by Kosta and did the most blatant punch to the bollocks in return.

That's a perfect example of what I mean. Tszyu landed at least 5 or 6 "borderline" low blows in that fight. Then Ricky Hatton loads up and hits him as hard as he can possibly hit somebody in the balls....it obviously hurts bad, and wouldn't ya know it? Tszyu suddenly stops throwing "accidental" low blows for the rest of the fight

[gilgamesh]

..this thread raises a bigger issue: who the hell were/are all these officials in charge..I don't mean that in a geographical kind of way 'cause I know where they are from..it's more of an issue how on earth do they get access to these high-profile fights: do they have any training at all? if so, is it like 2-week summer seminars and then you get your licence? is there any on-the-job training? any ongoing courses, etc? seems like these top "professionals" are capable to handle standard procedures and are totally helpless and clueless once the situation gets a bit out of hand...

In a lot of ways being a referee is a thankless job. You can call 4000 fights without any trouble or controversy whatsoever, and if 1 fight gets out of hand, and becomes a fiasco like this, you're talked about like a sh*tty referee who doesn't know what he's doing, in spite of the fact that you've officiated hundreds upon hundreds of fights without incident.

The only real concern is the fact that he missed the bell for so long at the end of Round 2. He pretty well handled most everything else.

Dude might need a hearing aid or something.

[greg]

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The only real concern is the fact that he missed the bell for so long at the end of Round 2. He pretty well handled most everything else.

Dude might need a hearing aid or something.

he's just too old and those in charge should have known it ...plus I don't think he handled this elbow punch properly..

[Enlightened-One]

In my mind, the referee’s handling of the Glowacki-Breidis fight was absolutely disgraceful, gross incompetence to the point of negligence.

The bout should be declared a no-contest with the pair being forced to engage in an immediate rematch, with a competent referee handling the bout.

[gilgamesh]

he's just too old and those in charge should have known it ...plus I don't think he handled this elbow punch properly..

He deducted a point. What else was he supposed to do?

[oogiebe]

He deducted a point. What else was he supposed to do?

He should have given Glow five minutes to recover. In all frankness, none of this would have changed the outcome, IMHO.

[greg]

He deducted a point. What else was he supposed to do?

I was thinking about giving him a longer break..point deduction for an intentional punch doesn't seem to go far enough...

[jamamb]

since the salido fight loma complains a lot more when fouled and also has returned low blows himeslf (like vs the puerto rican guy who wasnt martinez)

[gilgamesh]

Yeah, the 5 minutes to recover is standard after a foul, particularly an egregious one. So yeah he did botch that too.

[gilgamesh]

since the salido fight loma complains a lot more when fouled and also has returned low blows himeslf (like vs the puerto rican guy who wasnt martinez)

Complaining isn't the thing to do. Everytime I see a guy complaining to the ref, I want to see him decked. Even if he has legitimate reason to complain. Don't complain, fight. If he's fighting dirty, fight dirty back. Let your corner complain, that's what they're paid for. You're there to fight.

Even my all time favorite fighter is no exception to this rule. In the Mayweather vs Arturo Gatti fight, I remember him turning to the ref to complain because Mayweather was leaning on the back of his neck. Mayweather popped him, and dropped him. Which is exactly what he should've done. You take your eyes off of your opponent in the middle of a fight, you've made a mistake, and unless you're fighting a real nice guy you're about to pay the price.

I learned that sh*t the hard way.

[ValMar]

In my mind, the referee’s handling of the Glowacki-Breidis fight was absolutely disgraceful, gross incompetence to the point of negligence.

The bout should be declared a no-contest with the pair being forced to engage in an immediate rematch, with a competent referee handling the bout.

x2...............

[boxing_rocks]

[Heretic]

Here is a vidoe of what will happen if you fight fire with fire...

For little back round info...

This is Tolppola vs Lauri fight.

Lauri has been fouling Tolppola for the whole fight. Rabbit punches hitting after the bell all the usual dirty business from dirty hometown fighter.

Well Tolppola throws one back...