Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 15 Jun 2019, 20:02

The most recent NC i can think of was Huck vs Guivas - now compare it to this fight.

Contendeh · Post by **Contendeh** » 15 Jun 2019, 20:41

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 19:59 Btw - Breidis team went to the ring during the fight - it is a DQ.

I dunno, Dag. Looked like he saw a cheap shot and took it.

Ref should be retired

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:15

Bredis totally defeated him. I was the best fight I saw today and I watched lots of boxing today, that shit was brutal and memorable.

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:18

SenorPipino wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 19:42 Always let the official's handling of the fight stand.

Don't overturn anything.

I suspect the result will remain in favor of Breidis although a rematch will undoubtedly be ordered.

Glowacki started the shenanigans with that illegal cracking shot to the back of Briedis' head.

Briedis got dirty in return (which is what a fighter should do when fouled) and took over. Glowacki paid the price for his initial foul tactic.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:19

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 19:55 What? They should not. Tyson should get DQ'd vs Holyfield, Briedis should be DQ'd vs Glowacki.

Tyson WAS DQ'd vs Holyfield.

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:19

Contendeh wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 19:52 Totally fine with an elbow to the jaw after an intentional shot to the back of the head.

Jaws heal, brain bleeds end careers.

armageto · Post by **armageto** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:23

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 19:59 Btw - Breidis team went to the ring during the fight - it is a DQ.

Was the round over? If so, then they were able to go into the ring.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:26

Tremendous battle. I could see it being changed to a No Contest if they ruled that Glowacki was still hurt from the knockdown he suffered at the end of Round 2, not sure why the referee was having such trouble hearing, but missing the bell as it's ringing for several seconds is pretty big.

Given that it's part of this Tournament I'm not sure what they'd do if it were to be ruled a NC. I'd think if they do go that route, the best thing to do would be just having Breidis vs Dorticos in the Final, with Glowacki to get a fight the Tournament winner.

If the result stands I guess it's a moot point. Either way though Glowacki vs Breidis 2 should happen at some point, wild, fun brawl that I wouldn't mind seeing again whatever the reason.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:41

No way it should be NC.

No way. Briedis should be penalized only for a one thing - elbowing. 1 point is a maximum of a punishment here. Fighting after the bell wasn't a foul, because boxers stop fighting not with a bell, but with a separation by a ref. The ref didn't hear the bell, he didn't separate the fighters, so everything was OK. NC should be made for violations from fighters' side, here it was the ref's mistake. You can't take away a victory from a fighter because of bad refereeing.

In the current situation Glowacki would lose anyway, I believe. He was battered for good even during the actual time of the round. Glowacki should blame only himself. For punching at the back of the head, for too much of pretending to be hurt from the elbow, for making Briedis angry and for not being able to weather the storm.

The fight itself was fun to watch.

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 16 Jun 2019, 02:52

dagilechia wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 18:50 You know less about boxing than casuals then.

Glowacki got what he deserved.

geronimo · Post by **geronimo** » 16 Jun 2019, 03:59

Very strange fight... I have voted for yes option. The elbow by Briedis was illegal, of course, but before that Glowacky throw a rabbid punch. But probably not enough to stop a fihgt. Who were the two people who intimated to the referee to stop the fight from the ringside?

kamil256 · Post by **kamil256** » 16 Jun 2019, 04:55

You can say that nothing was wrong in this fight, because Glowacki got what he deserved (dirty punch after dirty punch) and they both were fighting after the bell (both did not protest). The truth is that referee was very bad in this fight. In post-fight interview Briedis said that the referee didn't react after Glowacki's back head punch, so he had to use his elbow like in his Muay Thai experience and he admitted that he heard the bell and still fought. We can't blame fighters, because when they don't respect the rules, they get punished, but the referee is the only one who decides about that.

In my opinion the referee should know there was a huge risk that this fight will end very soon after Glowacki was knocked down with the elbow. He should give Glowacki a few minutes to recover. Referee didn't hear the bell, but Briedis did, so noise is not an excuse. I wouldn't agree with DQ, but there should be NC for sure. There's big money behind this, fight was in Latvia and Briedis is national hero, so I don't believe it will happen.

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 16 Jun 2019, 05:11

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 02:19 Tyson WAS DQ'd vs Holyfield.

I know, and Briedis should be dq as well

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 16 Jun 2019, 05:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 02:41 No way it should be NC.

No way. Briedis should be penalized only for a one thing - elbowing. 1 point is a maximum of a punishment here. Fighting after the bell wasn't a foul, because boxers stop fighting not with a bell, but with a separation by a ref. The ref didn't hear the bell, he didn't separate the fighters, so everything was OK. NC should be made for violations from fighters' side, here it was the ref's mistake. You can't take away a victory from a fighter because of bad refereeing.

In the current situation Glowacki would lose anyway, I believe. He was battered for good even during the actual time of the round. Glowacki should blame only himself. For punching at the back of the head, for too much of pretending to be hurt from the elbow, for making Briedis angry and for not being able to weather the storm.

The fight itself was fun to watch.

So if a referee stops a round after 2 or 4 minutes it's ok?

koniak · Post by **koniak** » 16 Jun 2019, 05:44

It was a farce and the rematch is needed regardless a decision that will be made now.
I saw a few fights of Briedis in Riga and probably never a clean one without fouls or other unexpected behaviour from his side.

As for the referee, I can't really believe he didn't hear the bell... It was ringing for several seconds. Either he is deaf or it was done on purpose. You can guess...

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 16 Jun 2019, 05:53

dagilechia wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 05:39 So if a referee stops a round after 2 or 4 minutes it's ok?

You're ripping my words out of the context.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 16 Jun 2019, 05:53

dagilechia wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 05:39 So if a referee stops a round after 2 or 4 minutes it's ok?

No, but it happens. Page stopped coetzee in like a 5 minute round. This whole Vegas mob thing is where you look a fool.

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 16 Jun 2019, 06:03

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 05:53 No, but it happens. Page stopped coetzee in like a 5 minute round. This whole Vegas mob thing is where you look a fool.

I just mean that the byrd's are corrupt nevada-based judges/ref, and what a coincidence, they were officiating this fight

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 16 Jun 2019, 06:27

Briedis team was inside the ring when the fight was still on, this alone is more than enough to dq Briedis but the so called rules in boxing are fiction.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 16 Jun 2019, 06:45

dagilechia wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 06:03 I just mean that the byrd's are corrupt nevada-based judges/ref, and what a coincidence, they were officiating this fight

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 16 Jun 2019, 08:25

Elbow was revenge for a punch in the back of the head. Still, it was dirty AF IMO. But what was referee doing when the bell rang? :O :O IMO Briedis was on his way to win the fight anyway, but this was pretty bad display of our sport

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 16 Jun 2019, 09:07

Byrd might have deducted a point from a both fighters, but after that he had to give five minutes free for Glowacki's recovery.
The elbow punch was brutal, and Glowacki was hurt, obviously.
The end of the second round was really farcical, I am not sure if Byrd is a criminal or an incapable old aššhole.

Ilya Muromets · Post by **Ilya Muromets** » 16 Jun 2019, 10:56

Boxing is crooked everyplace...but why did they import a referee from the infamous Byrd family from the crookedest city on earth, far away Las Vegas, that's what I want to know!

squiggy · Post by **squiggy** » 16 Jun 2019, 11:12

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 02:41 No way it should be NC.

No way. Briedis should be penalized only for a one thing - elbowing. 1 point is a maximum of a punishment here. Fighting after the bell wasn't a foul, because boxers stop fighting not with a bell, but with a separation by a ref. The ref didn't hear the bell, he didn't separate the fighters, so everything was OK. NC should be made for violations from fighters' side, here it was the ref's mistake. You can't take away a victory from a fighter because of bad refereeing.

In the current situation Glowacki would lose anyway, I believe. He was battered for good even during the actual time of the round. Glowacki should blame only himself. For punching at the back of the head, for too much of pretending to be hurt from the elbow, for making Briedis angry and for not being able to weather the storm.

The fight itself was fun to watch.

I don't know, it seems fairly well established that the bell means to stop fighting. Boxers usually seem to understand that.
That was maybe what was weirdest about that situation. You could hear the bell ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing. The broadcasters were even commenting, "what the hell is going on, nobody is reacting to the bell."

mustlogin · Post by **mustlogin** » 16 Jun 2019, 11:13

Briedis was first to foul by tying up Glowacki's right arm and turning around. He did that all the time in the quarterfinal too.

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