Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 12:35
No I wasn't, but maybe you're right and maybe I'm right. I've watched Ruiz before and I wasn't impressed with him. I saw him fight a weirdly unmotivated looking Liakhovich (who also threw his fight with Briggs) and thought that Liak was robbed or at best it should have been a draw. I think there was something off about his win over Joshua. Maybe Whyte was right about Joshua and drugs, maybe Ruiz got him with a lucky punch, maybe both... or maybe Ruiz has suddenly turned great.
He didn't look that marvellous against Liakhovic but he clearly won.
He had an a very fine amateur record - 105 v 5 or something like that. Also his performance against Parker convinced me he was a world level heavyweight, my only misgivings about him was not his unimpressive physique, but his chronic inactivity (how ironic that his title fight was only 5 weeks after his Dimitrenko win).
I grant you Joshua's eerily deficient performance probably greatly flattered Ruiz (and greatly flattened Joshua ) but Andy was always going to be levels above Schwarz who had never faced anyone remotely capable of preparing him to face someone of Fury's pedigree.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 14:08
And wasn't that Arum's goal?
To bring in an opponent who would make Fury look "absolutely fantastic?"
He want to succesfully sell Fury-Wilder ll next year. It wasn't a huge attraction in the US last December, luring only 325,000 PPV buys.
Rematches usually do even less. Arum needs Fury to look destructive leading up to Wilder ll if he hopes to make a few bucks off the rematch.
Putting Fury in with the Tom Schwarz's of the world certainly does that and helps whet public appetite.
I expect Fury's next bout to offer the same level opponent as Schwarz.
I don’t mind a fighter’s career being strategically planned in a business like manner to generate interest and build a fanbase if the short-term goal (i.e. less than a year) is to orchestrate a super-fight.
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 14:35He didn't look that marvellous against Liakhovic but he clearly won.
He had an a very fine amateur record - 105 v 5 or something like that. Also his performance against Parker convinced me he was a world level heavyweight, my only misgivings about him was not his unimpressive physique, but his chronic inactivity (how ironic that his title fight was only 5 weeks after his Dimitrenko win).
I grant you Joshua's eerily deficient performance probably greatly flattered Ruiz (and greatly flattened Joshua ) but Andy was always going to be levels above Schwarz who had never faced anyone remotely capable of preparing him to face someone of Fury's pedigree.
How did he clearly win? Boogy Woogy here also said that Ruiz decisively beat Liakhovich and insinuated that i may have had a tiny aperitif or 2 to that caused my judgement to be askew. So what i did was rewatch the enitire affair, which was no mean feat because it was extremely boring. In fact nothing happened in all ten rounds. I gave rd. 1 to Ruiz by a slim margin and rd. 9 to Liak. by an equally slim margin. The fight was a draw. The judges, in keeping with the precepts of their profession, of course had it wrong, but they were being paid to keep the Mexican fans happy, so they gave it to Ruiz.
I suggest Ilya that you favoured Liakhovic in this fight and that may have coloured your judgement. I watched it without having a dog in the race, and as boring as the fight was, I thought there could be only one winner.
I don't claim to be infallible when it comes to judging a boxing match, but I don't recall anyone saying they thought Liakhovic beat Ruiz other than your goodself.
candyslim wrote: ↑17 Jun 2019, 03:18
I suggest Ilya that you favoured Liakhovic in this fight and that may have coloured your judgement. I watched it without having a dog in the race, and as boring as the fight was, I thought there could be only one winner.
I don't claim to be infallible when it comes to judging a boxing match, but I don't recall anyone saying they thought Liakhovic beat Ruiz other than your goodself.
I was indeed rooting for Liak. and sipping a teeny bit of vodka when i originally saw the fight in 2015. I thought Liak. kicked ass then. But i watched it soberly and dispacionately with total boredom just before, and my fairness and impartiality as well as my expertise and good looks and funny jokes are all beyond reproach. I even watched it with foreign language sportscasters so i wouldn't be influenced (actually that's just the one i found). I invite you to do the same. I'd like to share my half hour of misery.
candyslim wrote: ↑17 Jun 2019, 03:45
I did Ilya and it was at your invitation. That's a mistake I shan't be repeating ... ever.
Ha ha you were warned! I told you I wanted to share my half hour of misery! Well now, you're an honest looking fellow - except for your beady little eyes that keep shifting from side to side and that bag of burglar tools you carry with you - so - be honest now, don't just try to win a debate - was I wrong in judging the fight a draw, and if not why not? Write up your answer in a ten thousand word copiously referenced and footnoted essay. Thank you.
Thqt wasn't your recent invite where you proposed a half share in your misery, this was the previous time earlier this year where I took it upon myself to watch the fight with complete impartiality, in order to determine whether there was any truth to the claims of my crazy tovarich that Liakhovic had been robbed ... there wasn't.
In fact, unless Liakhovic indulged in frenzied bursts of activity coinciding with the plentiful but brief periods when my eyes refused to stay open, then I'd say the verdict was never in question.
It was a dreadful fight but in no way controversial, sorry.
candyslim wrote: ↑17 Jun 2019, 15:06
Thqt wasn't your recent invite where you proposed a half share in your misery, this was the previous time earlier this year where I took it upon myself to watch the fight with complete impartiality, in order to determine whether there was any truth to the claims of my crazy tovarich that Liakhovic had been robbed ... there wasn't.
In fact, unless Liakhovic indulged in frenzied bursts of activity coinciding with the plentiful but brief periods when my eyes refused to stay open, then I'd say the verdict was never in question.
It was a dreadful fight but in no way controversial, sorry.
Damn! Forgot the footnotes.
Comrade, your analysis of the fight is politically incorrect and not in accord with the latest five year plan. I shall suggest some counseling for you by health care professionals at the Lubyanka mental health resort.
But seriously how? Where? When? Why? Absolutely nothing happened in that fight as you know all too well, except - and this is really pushing it - Ruiz may have landed a couple of feeble taps in rd. 1 and vice versa in cell block number 9 - I mean round nine.
) but Andy was always going to be levels above Schwarz who had never faced anyone remotely capable of preparing him to face someone of Fury's pedigree.
