Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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liamlion wrote: 17 Jun 2019, 17:40 Wow! On what basis exactly? Certainly not on the punches landed stats...
It's not like Fury landed hundreds of punches. I think he was credited with a whopping 83. Fewer then he landed versus Klitschko.

And there's no debate over who landed the more meaningful punches in that bout.

Fury has a way of convincing his true believers that he's doing something effective when clearly he's not.

Or does he get extra points for shimmying his hips, jutting his jaw and putting his hands behind his back?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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SenorPipino wrote: 17 Jun 2019, 17:45 It's not like Fury landed hundreds of punches. I think he was credited with a whopping 83. Fewer then he landed versus Klitschko.

And there's no debate over who landed the more meaningful punches in that bout.

Fury has a way of convincing his true believers that he's doing something effective when clearly he's not.

Or does he get extra points for shimmying his hips, jutting his jaw and putting his hands behind his back?
It’s called boxing mate. Wilder landed 2 massive punches. Fury got up both times. Other than that Fury handled Wilder over the 12 rounds quite handily. The WBC ordered an immediate rematch because the decision was so clearly wrong.

Your logic is a strange one. You criticise Fury for landing 83 punches, though it was actually 84, but yet he out landed Wilder. So, logically, if you’re criticising Fury for landing only 84 punches, what do you say about Wilder’s punches landed, which was only 71? Presumably, very poor, yeah?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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How come when Mayweather boxes it's called running?

But when the beloved Fury throws pitty pat shots, won't commit, and moves, moves, moves, he's a brilliant strategist?

Maybe Mayweather should have thrown in all those silly Fury hocus pocus tricks too as a way to get fans on his side.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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SenorPipino wrote: 17 Jun 2019, 17:59 How come when Mayweather boxes it's called running?

But when the beloved Fury throws pitty pat shots, won't commit, and moves, moves, moves, he's a brilliant strategist?

Maybe Mayweather should have thrown in all those silly Fury hocus pocus tricks too as a way to get fans on his side.
Mayweather and Fury both do the same thing. I guess it seems more impressive at heavyweight than at a lower weight because Fury is miles better scientifically than all the rest, whereas in the lower weights there's so many damn talented fighters that it makes Mayweather look like he's running. :maybe:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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liamlion wrote: 17 Jun 2019, 17:38 Honeybunny? Up the meds son. The current ones clearly aren’t working...

Ps turning the volume down might allow you to concentrate that bit more.
I like volume when I watch fights. Sorry
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Mayweather didn't run. He controlled the space and pace of his fights and measured his output to do enough to win. Wasn't always exciting to watch but he was a masterful boxer and that wasn't always appreciated by some.

Fury has elements of those tactics too and likewise isn't always in exciting fights as a result.

Unfortunately a lot of people can't score correctly and often reward fighters with a more aggressive style even although they might not be landing scoring punches.

Each to their own style wise but that shouldn't influence the scoring.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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ewenhay wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 05:01 Mayweather didn't run. He controlled the space and pace of his fights and measured his output to do enough to win. Wasn't always exciting to watch but he was a masterful boxer and that wasn't always appreciated by some.

Fury has elements of those tactics too and likewise isn't always in exciting fights as a result.

Unfortunately a lot of people can't score correctly and often reward fighters with a more aggressive style even although they might not be landing scoring punches.

Each to their own style wise but that shouldn't influence the scoring.
Some good posts from you lately.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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lazboy wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 05:10 Some good posts from you lately.
My account has been hacked
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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SenorPipino wrote: 17 Jun 2019, 17:59 How come when Mayweather boxes it's called running?

But when the beloved Fury throws pitty pat shots, won't commit, and moves, moves, moves, he's a brilliant strategist?

Maybe Mayweather should have thrown in all those silly Fury hocus pocus tricks too as a way to get fans on his side.
Part of the reason why I appreciate the likes of Ruiz Jr. and Fury is because they’re massive men that stand out from their peers.

They adopt a pugilistic fighting style where the focus is on skill and this results in both men stylistically boxing like fighters competing in the lower weight classes, which I feel is a remarkable feat considering both guys weigh more than 260lbs+.

It’s freakishly unusual to see two absolutely massive behemoths with lightning-fast hands and skills to boot.

I appreciate Fury’s kerky-jerky elusive fighting style is an acquired taste, because it’s sometimes awkward to watch, but no one can dispute how effective it is. He is capable of making any of his opponents look really bad.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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ewenhay wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 05:11 My account has been hacked
:lol:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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How the bloody hell cares, something is different about this era of heavyweights.

It gonna be awesome to see what comes around the horizon next.

Fury and Wilder have gotten better and Im waiting for the next fight. Poor guys how have to step up with them. Hope that they get paid good for the effort. It gonna be a losing one.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Hi,
Schwarz is suspended till December??
Why?
Some kind of Dope? :shame:

Regards
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Muppi wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 13:16 Hi,
Schwarz is suspended till December??
Why?
Some kind of Dope? :shame:

Regards
Maybe automatic due to early ko?? :maybe:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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I read this on his profile here.
suspended by Nevada Athletic Commission until 2019-12-13
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Muppi wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 13:16 Hi,
Schwarz is suspended till December??
Why?
Some kind of Dope? :shame:

Regards
The commissions suspend boxers after they fight. Mostly the losers and depending on how they lost.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. :TU:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Muppi wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 13:16 Hi,
Schwarz is suspended till December??
Why?
Some kind of Dope? :shame:

Regards
Suspended in Nevada where he wouldn't be fighting again anytime this year anyway? His career can resume in Germany whenever he pleases I'd imagine.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Fighters definitely are suspended for a certain period after being knocked out.

Same in California. I believe it's 60 days.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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OMG! What a joke! Did anyone expect Schwarz to win? The guy tried to quit last year against Sanid Gashi. He was waiting for that big clown Fury to throw a real punch. The blubberweights now are so terrible Fury looks like a flashy boxer. Gawd. Ali would have made him look like a lump of shite. Even Ernie Terrell would look like a master boxer if he fought Fury.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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ewenhay wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 20:41 I agree. Fighters improve, fighters deteriorate. Some peak at different stages than others.

It's the same with posters who flatly refuse to consider Joshua v Whyte 2 because "we've seen that before".

Maybe we have but maybe Whyte would have a better shot now we're a few years down the line.

Boxing history is full of examples where fighters turned their careers around. But in this day and age people wouldn't give them a second chance.
Anyone that didn’t want to see Whyte and AJ fight for a 2nd time makes no sense to me. The preflight hype would be great, the fight will definitely be crowd pleasing and I think Whyte earned it but got screwed. He did price himself out of it I guess by declining the first offer the way he did. But as a fan, I was really looking forward to it. I loved the first one.

The bottom line is that none of these heavyweights are great enough to allow fights to marinate like Floyd/Manny did. I think the most upset proof out of the bunch right now is Fury because of his skill and he’s proved to have a helluva chin. Wilders super but I’ve seen him get spaghetti legs in almost every one of his fights. Maybe this upset will teach them to strike when irons hot.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Cap wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 18:08 OMG! What a joke! Did anyone expect Schwarz to win? The guy tried to quit last year against Sanid Gashi. He was waiting for that big clown Fury to throw a real punch. The blubberweights now are so terrible Fury looks like a flashy boxer. Gawd. Ali would have made him look like a lump of shite. Even Ernie Terrell would look like a master boxer if he fought Fury.
I'm so sick of hearing how Ali could of whipped everyone. It's irrelevant. Fury is a good boxer, if you can't see that you're blinkered.

I am not defending Schwarz's behaviour in the fight against Gashi but I remember hearing that the guy was coming off surgery on his upper spine/neck so was worried about a serious injury. He didn't want anyone to touch his neck hence the pathetic theatrics.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Gnome wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 09:59 I'm so sick of hearing how Ali could of whipped everyone. It's irrelevant. Fury is a good boxer, if you can't see that you're blinkered.

I am not defending Schwarz's behaviour in the fight against Gashi but I remember hearing that the guy was coming off surgery on his upper spine/neck so was worried about a serious injury. He didn't want anyone to touch his neck hence the pathetic theatrics.
Oogie was spot on in his fight forecast. Schwarz was pure crap.

He was brought in by Arum to allow Fury to shine and whet the appetite for a Wilder rematch.

Fury can look like $13 million against the Schwarz's of the world.

But yeah, Ali would have clowned him. Not even a serious contest.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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caldo2025 wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 09:22 Anyone that didn’t want to see Whyte and AJ fight for a 2nd time makes no sense to me. The preflight hype would be great, the fight will definitely be crowd pleasing and I think Whyte earned it but got screwed. He did price himself out of it I guess by declining the first offer the way he did. But as a fan, I was really looking forward to it. I loved the first one.
If only Whyte was as confident as Ruiz, he could have beaten AJ and make even more for the rematch.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Gnome wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 09:59 I'm so sick of hearing how Ali could of whipped everyone. It's irrelevant. Fury is a good boxer, if you can't see that you're blinkered.
This 💯

Who gives a crap what Ali or anyone from the distant past could have done or couldn't have done. Considering 99.99% of all 6'3" 200 pounders TODAY are damn cruiserweights Ali wouldn't have even fought Fury most likely. If he did he'd of come in 220+ pounds and he sure wouldn't be dancing with all that extra padding.
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