Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

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Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

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Ilya Muromets
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Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

Post by Ilya Muromets »

Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 06:40 An accidental, but reckless, blow to the head with the elbow, where there was no clear injury or harm caused, should either be a strong warning or a single points’ deduction

However, when a fighter intentionally commits such a severe foul due to venomous anger, which results in their opponent being harmed for a prolonged period of time, then this should either be a two-point deduction or even a disqualification.

If the Glowacki-Briedis fight was staged in the UK, then under BBBofC rules, this probably would have resulted in Mairis being disqualified.

And it’s not surprising to see many UK media pundits claiming that Briedis should have been DQ’d and they were also shocked about Glowacki not being given time to recover.

You could argue that Briedis’ foul against Glowacki was far worse than the foul that Kash Ali committed against David Price.

That being said, Mairis Briedis was literally fighting in his hometown of Riga, which meant that one infringement alone would never have resulted in him being disqualified.

But the cumulative amount of fouls that he himself and his team committed, surely meant that he deserved to be disqualified:

• Throwing an intentional elbow to the face, which was seen by the ref


immediately following the g's vicious rabbit punch


• Mairis’ own rabbit punch to Glowacki’s head, which led to the first knockdown


Where did u see that?


• Mairis’ trainer standing on the ring apron at the time of the Briedis rabbit punch that knocked down Glowacki


I think that was because he heard the bell ring but nobody in the ring did?



• Briedis clearly hearing the bell, but continued punching anyway, which led to Glowacki being decked for the second time nine seconds after the round had ended, with his own trainer stood inside the ring right next to him at the time of the incident (with both actions considered illegal)


It was unclear what he was talking about when he said he heard the bell. I don't think anybody in the ring heard the bell ring the first time including the ref. They both continued fighting.


• Briedis admitting during post-fight interviews to intentionally fighting dirty and that his deliberate Muay Thai elbow strike that was thrown out of sheer anger


But a natural reaction. Glowacki started the dirty fighting and the elbow was immediately preceeded by the vicious rabbit punch. The fight was getting out of control from all 3 of them, And how much of Glowacki falling on the ground was acting? If he was really hurt he wouldn't have gotten right up when the referee yelled at him to do so.




• He also clearly admitted to hearing the bell, but continued punching anyway and then laughed about his own actions

I'm pretty sure that everything I've written above is true, especially the bullet-pointed issues.

I mean, how much of a free pass do you want this guy to receive? At what point do you personally choose to draw the line and say “enough’s enough, he needs to be DQ'd”?



If freaking Wilder got a free pass with that ridiculous ref and ring doctor act in round 8 of the Ortiz fight and all the shenanigans with Ward and his low blows and fake judges and refs in Las Vegas and ten million other weird boxing tricks are you suddenly expecting boxing to turn pure snow white in Latvia? Ortiz is getting a rematch, so give Glowacki a rematch that's all.
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Post by jamamb »

i really doubt the result gets changed, at best a rematch gets ordered. bridies vs dort next either way though

id be okay with a rematch being ordered, it was a shambles of an officiated fight with a significant amount of damage inflicted with blows usually ruled illegal, glow did start with a rabbit punch, but then a lot happened after. and its feasible the elbow did make it much easier for breidis to hurt glowacki after, i dont think the elbow and rabbit punch were comparable in force exerted
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ValMar wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 11:40 Briedis (and his team, too) crossed the red line, absolutely. He had to be DQ-ed. Period !
Boxing is a tough sport.

If you're going to get dirty, you better be prepared for retaliation.

And no whining about it when it occurs. Breidis would get no future respect from opponents if he let Glowacki get away with that shot to the back of the skull.

Just fair warning to those who may consider fouling Breidis. You won't get away with it.
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..I appreciate this sport because it also has RULES..and I expect them to be inforced..now, whether Briedis will be fouling outside of Latvia still remains to be seen but I personally doubt it very much...
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greg wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:17 ..I appreciate this sport because it also has RULES..and I expect them to be inforced..now, whether Briedis will be fouling outside of Latvia still remains to be seen but I personally doubt it very much...
I have no doubt that if the bout is fought in his opponent's bedroom, Breidis will foul if he has reason.

He's a rugged, no nonsense guy.
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SenorPipino wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:24 I have no doubt that if the bout is fought in his opponent's bedroom, Breidis will foul if he has reason.

He's a rugged, no nonsense guy.
..most of us are tough as long as our asses are covered..
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Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

Post by Enlightened-One »

Ilya Muromets wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 12:11
Your own video highlighted the issues I raised.

I weren’t aware of them until you posted it. :TU:

And as I said before, retaliation is no excuse for the sheer volume of fouls committed and rules broken.

Your video details Briedis’s fouls and rule breaking.
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greg wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:34 ..most of us are tough as long as our asses are covered..
You don't think Breidis is a tough guy?

He gave Usyk the hardest fight of his career. He surely doesn't need his ass covered to dispose of Glowacki.
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SenorPipino wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:40 You don't think Breidis is a tough guy?

He gave Usyk the hardest fight of his career. He surely doesn't need his ass covered to dispose of Glowacki.
..toughness is only a part of it...breaking rules and getting away with it is something else...I'd love him try and use this "elbow punch" shall be say in Britain fighting the local guy and see what happens next...
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Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

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Glowacki stated that after the elbow punch the bell was ringing in his head all the time and he was half conscious (like after the kd in Huck fight, and his reaction was same) he didnt heard his trainer words and he doesnt remember the second and third round (after the elbow punch he got knocked down by an rabbit punch much worse than the one he threw earlier). If someone thinks that this did not affected the result then this must be a blind person/someone who never received a punch. Glowacki never recovered from the elbow punch and then he got knocked down by a punch back to the head. Just like AJ didnt recovered vs Ruiz. The only difference is that punches landed on Glowacki were illegal.
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Btw the rematch would be still 50/50 to me. Glowacki won the 1st round and in the second round before the elbow punch there was nothing that suggested that Glowacki will lose that.
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greg wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:34 ..most of us are tough as long as our asses are covered..
He is a police man after all ;)
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SenorPipino wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:40 You don't think Breidis is a tough guy?

He gave Usyk the hardest fight of his career. He surely doesn't need his ass covered to dispose of Glowacki.
Glowacki gave Usyk a hard fight too. The bout between them both should have been a competitive affair, as the first round showed , but the officiating didn’t allow that
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Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

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SenorPipino wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 14:40 You don't think Breidis is a tough guy?

He gave Usyk the hardest fight of his career. He surely doesn't need his ass covered to dispose of Glowacki.
Every active boxer on the elite level must be tough.
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dagilechia wrote: 19 Jun 2019, 15:09 Btw the rematch would be still 50/50 to me. Glowacki won the 1st round and in the second round before the elbow punch there was nothing that suggested that Glowacki will lose that.
Ain't going to be no rematch.
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PBO will score the fight as if it was a NO CONTEST. It was clear that Briedis won in an unfair manner. The result remains of course.
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Lennox wrote: 20 Jun 2019, 14:33 PBO will score the fight as if it was a NO CONTEST. It was clear that Briedis won in an unfair manner. The result remains of course.
Yeah, Briedis clearly gained an unfair victory.

It’s kind of weird that the various Polish websites are seemingly more outraged by the outcome of the fight than other territories.
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i think, for a lot of ppl, they have the mentality that because glowacki made the first foul, whatever happaned after is tough sh!t for him
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jamamb wrote: 20 Jun 2019, 14:58 i think, for a lot of ppl, they have the mentality that because glowacki made the first foul, whatever happaned after is tough sh!t for him
Yeah, but from a personal perspective, retaliation can only go so far. And technically speaking the rules shouldn’t be dismissed because of the proverbial “eye for an eye” principle.

Put it this way, if someone trespasses your property, should their limbs be dismembered, their head decapitated and their eyeballs gauged out?

If you accidentally tread on my toe, I’ll slit your fûckîng throat! :lol:
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Briedis hold Glowacki's hand while the latter threq the rabbit punch. He was fouling at the same time.

Btw, Byrd heard the bell, he was like afraid to separate the fighters but it looks like he heard the bell. Then after the kd he wanted to let the fight go again but then he waived Glowacki off like if he wanted to stop the fight, but then the round 3 started anyway.

This fight is a mountain of controversy, fight like Huck vs Guivas is declared a NC and this fight not what a joke.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Jun 2019, 15:08 Yeah, but from a personal perspective, retaliation can only go so far. And technically speaking the rules shouldn’t be dismissed because of the proverbial “eye for an eye” principle.

Put it this way, if someone trespasses your property, should their limbs be dismembered, their head decapitated and their eyeballs gauged out?

If you accidentally tread on my toe, I’ll slit your fûckîng throat! :lol:
You're being a little ridiculous with that comparison. There's nothing inherently worse about an elbow than a punch to the back of the head.
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There is. You can punch with a glove - you can't punch with an elbow. Also, the rabbit punch was intentional while the elbow was.

But the elbow punch isnt the most important controversy in this fight.
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Post by Evander »

Only saw highlights.
Looked like a good fight, Briedes elbow could have gotten him into more trouble elsewhere.
Glowacki's back of the head shot didn't go unnoticed.
Briedes looked good for the win from what I saw.
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dagilechia wrote: 20 Jun 2019, 23:20 There is. You can punch with a glove - you can't punch with an elbow. Also, the rabbit punch was intentional while the elbow was.

But the elbow punch isnt the most important controversy in this fight.
I agree, “the rabbit punch was intentional.”

Glowacki endured the beatdown he deserved.
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ironbeard wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 00:33 I agree, “the rabbit punch was intentional.”

Glowacki endured the beatdown he deserved.
I meant wasn't of course
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