Whyte dropped to three in WBO Ratings

[oogiebe]

Tyson Fury and Olexandr Usyk jumped Dillian Whyte in the latest WBO rankings.

[Enlightened-One]

Oleksandr Usyk was the mandatory anyway (based on his "super champion" status) and Tyson Fury just captured the WBO's inter-continental title from Tom Schwarz during his most recent outing.

Perhaps an anonymous cherry-picker like Dillian Whyte, who does his upmost to duck any half-decent opposition, doesn't really deserve a shot at one of the world heavyweight titles?

It might be time for him to consider going down the route of fighters that choose to take high-risks, such as Eric Molina, Luis Ortiz, Bermane Stiverne & Dominic Breazeale, since these guys are absolute killers who are fearless and willing to face anyone (as contenders) in order to earn their shot at the title, regardless of their reputation.

What sort of world do we live in where fighters like Eric Molina are given multiple opportunities to challenge for the world heavyweight title?

The WBO have already relegated Dillian Whyte in the rankings and the WBC threatened to do the same if he doesn’t stop bad mouthing them about the way they've handled his situation.

The IBF doesn't even rate him and likes of Mahmoud Charr, Joe Joyce, Trevor Bryan, Oleksandr Usyk and Fres Oquendo are all rated above Dillian Whyte in the WBA’s rankings.

[ValMar]

Oleksandr Usyk was the mandatory anyway (based on his "super champion" status) and Tyson Fury just captured the WBO's inter-continental title from Tom Schwarz during his most recent outing.

Perhaps an anonymous cherry-picker like Dillian Whyte, who does his upmost to duck any half-decent opposition, doesn't really deserve a shot at one of the world heavyweight titles?

It might be time for him to consider going down the route of fighters that choose to take high-risks, such as Eric Molina, Luis Ortiz, Bermane Stiverne & Dominic Breazeale, since these guys are absolute killers who are fearless and willing to face anyone (as contenders) in order to earn their shot at the title, regardless of their reputation.

What sort of world do we live in where fighters like Eric Molina are given multiple opportunities to challenge for the world heavyweight title?

The WBO have already relegated Dillian Whyte in the rankings and the WBC threatened to do the same if he doesn’t stop bad mouthing them about the way they've handled his situation.

The IBF doesn't even rate him and likes of Mahmoud Charr, Joe Joyce, Trevor Bryan, Oleksandr Usyk and Fres Oquendo are all rated above Dillian Whyte in the WBA’s rankings.

I can agree with you, I understand your sarcasm, but Luis Ortiz does not deserve to be mentioned in this way.

[Enlightened-One]

I can agree with you, I understand your sarcasm, but Luis Ortiz does not deserve to be mentioned in this way.

As a contender, not rating his talent based purely on the proverbial eye test, what has he actually done to earn two shots at the world heavyweight title? He was behind on the scorecards at the time he was KO'd by Wilder. And his recent victories over the likes of Razvan Cojanu, Travis Kauffman and Christian Hammer are laughable in comparison to the sort of guys Dillian Whyte has been facing.

The Cuban simply hasn't fought the very best available opposition and his team haven't even tried to make fights against Ortiz's world-rated peers. They've never needed to, due to their affiliation with Al Haymon, who seems to heavily influence the WBC's decisions.

What about Eric Molina, Bermane Stiverne & Dominic Breazeale? Why do you think all three of these PBC guys, including Luis Ortiz (who is also a member of the PBC stable) has received multiple undeserving shots at the world heavyweight title?

Put it this way, had Eric Molina beaten Dominic Breazeale in the WBC’s final eliminator, he would have been given a third shot at the world heavyweight title. WTF!

[ValMar]

As a contender, not rating his talent based purely on the proverbial eye test, what has he actually done to earn two shots at the world heavyweight title? He was behind on the scorecards at the time he was KO'd by Wilder. And his recent victories over the likes of Razvan Cojanu, Travis Kauffman and Christian Hammer are laughable in comparison to the sort of guys Dillian Whyte has been facing.

The Cuban simply hasn't fought the very best available opposition and his team haven't even tried to make fights against Ortiz's world-rated peers. They've never needed to, due to their affiliation with Al Haymon, who seems to heavily influence the WBC's decisions.

What about Eric Molina, Bermane Stiverne & Dominic Breazeale? Why do you think all three of these PBC guys, including Luis Ortiz (who is also a member of the PBC stable) has received multiple undeserving shots at the world heavyweight title?

Put it this way, had Eric Molina beaten Dominic Breazeale in the WBC’s final eliminator, he would have been given a third shot at the world heavyweight title.

My point is : Ortiz is among the top 10 HW, at least since 2015. He is a level above Molina, Stiverne and Breazeale. I know this topic is basically about unfair and greedy promoters/managers, but I would like to see Whyte against Ortiz. Nowadays it might be 50/50 type of the fight.

[dagilechia]

wins over Cojanu, Kauffman, Hammer are not much worse than wins over Browne (Cojanu's leve), Helenius, Chisora 2 (those 2 are Hammer's level).. of course, he has also wins over Chisora 1 and Parker, but those could go either way (especially this fight vs Chisora, around 80% of people had Chisora up on the cards, including me, but vs Parker the first kd was fake, head butt foul influenced the result of this fight a lot + Whyte should be deducted 1 point, so it could easily go to Parker, i had 113-112 Whyte but the head clash was possibly decisive, just like the elbow in Briedis vs Glowacki caused that Glowacki was done, Parker lost rounds due to that too, he needed time to fully regenerate)

[jamamb]

parker, chis x2, helenius, browne is better for sure then orts wins over the same period, and of course rivas is a solid contender. no one has matched this consistency of opposition lately without having had a shot. its certanly not the opposition that should be questioned for whyte and whether he desercves a shot for that, its more a question if he shouldve taken what he was offered vs aj etc

[marvelous marv]

Ortiz would easily beat Whyte.

[jamamb]

nah, hed be in a real fight, old luis doesnt easily beat any guy in whytes range

[dagilechia]

he didn't deserved the first win over Chisora though and the head clash kd vs Parker set the fight

he could well be now 23-2-1 instead of 25-1

[jamamb]

even chris hammer had luis gushing, whyte would make it rough for ort

[dagilechia]

Ortiz would easily beat Whyte.

x2 + and i think that Whyte vs Kownacki, Hunter would be 50/50, Rivas has a good chance of winning too, i'd also give 40% chances to Kabayel if they'll ever fight each other. Whyte's so overrated some even had him #4 in their rankings, of course, he has done a lot more than most or all contenders but in reality he is top 7-9

[jamamb]

ort hasnt beat anyone whyte wouldnt, and ppl treat him like a monster still when he has just as many lacklustre showings as good ones. no doubt whyte wouldve stopped mal scott

[dagilechia]

Whyte vs Hammer would be close i guess, while Ortiz won easily, of course, Hammer had his moments, but he lost all or almost all rounds

[jamamb]

whyte would easily beat hammer, bigger, stronger, even faster. hes no frail pricey

[dagilechia]

i am not so sure, Hammer and Chisora are the same level imo, Whyte arguably lost to Chisora in their first fight, in the second one he was behind on the cards until KO, he was behind on my card too

[jamamb]

what would hammer have to make it so close? whyte has the advantages. chisora really went for it too wheras hammer is a spoiler.

[ValMar]

x2 + and i think that Whyte vs Kownacki, Hunter would be 50/50, Rivas has a good chance of winning too, i'd also give 40% chances to Kabayel if they'll ever fight each other. Whyte's so overrated some even had him #4 in their rankings, of course, he has done a lot more than most or all contenders but in reality he is top 7-9

Whyte vs. Ortiz : 50/50
Whyte vs. Kownacki : 60/40
Whyte vs. Hunter : 65/35
Whyte vs. Kabayel : 65/35

Whyte vs Rivas ? This is enigma for me,Whyte is more complete/versatile fighter, but Rivas is very strong and powerful, and he will have at least a puncher's chance.

[dagilechia]

that's right Hammer's a spoiler that's why i rate him lower than most do but i also rate Whyte much lower than most do, he's so average

[jamamb]

i guarntee you if they fought hammer would just shell up and come to go the distance, losing pretty much every round. hes simply not winning at that level

[skanksta]

he didn't deserved the first win over Chisora though and the head clash kd vs Parker set the fight

he could well be now 23-2-1 instead of 25-1

He could, but the best thing about Whyte - and the only thing truly world-class about him - is his nastiness and will to win.

While Parker dicked around being nice and wasting rounds, Whyte took his luck and ran with it to victory.

[skanksta]

i am not so sure, Hammer and Chisora are the same level imo, Whyte arguably lost to Chisora in their first fight, in the second one he was behind on the cards until KO, he was behind on my card too

[dagilechia]

He could, but the best thing about Whyte - and the only thing truly world-class about him - is his nastiness and will to win.

While Parker dicked around being nice and wasting rounds, Whyte took his luck and ran with it to victory.

and why Parker did so? i think that head clash kd played an important role in the outcome of this fight

[dagilechia]

well, Chisora would most likely defeat him, but they're on similar level really. Chisora sometimes just have more will to win while Hammer spoils and tries only to last the distance, but Chisora from Kabayel and Pulev fights are more or less the same level, Chisora was losing widely to Takam

[dagilechia]

i guarntee you if they fought hammer would just shell up and come to go the distance, losing pretty much every round. hes simply not winning at that level

he's never fought on that level though. Povetkin and Ortiz are (or at least were back then) level above.