In pursuit of a quality environment for discussion

[Joe Speck]

Who is greater pure talent Mike Tyson or John L. Sullivan. Tyson.
Who between Ron Lyle or Chuck Wepner/Scott LeDoux? Ron Lyle. Between Wepner and LeDoux? Both are "achievers in the sport". Wepner. Not by thousands of yards though.
Is the IBO useful or a disservice? I cite my 50 year involvement. It's a "disservice".
Is the duel tri of modern useful or disservice? Disservice. You can only agree with that accessment. Though, we can go over the pro-con.
We can have healthy arguments about "greatness" and mediocracy too.
"Should be respectful".
BoxRec thru the years I've met some REALLY GREAT SOULS. And, some poorA.H.'s too.
"BoxRec" could CENTER BETTER. FOR NOW THEY SUPPORT THE IBO and that is HIGHLY PATHETIC.
I'm open to debate the SPORT. Am at lower level business trying to build up in Connecticut U.S.A.

[Joe Speck]

This gets so tiresome ...

... but in any case ... let me explain once again ... (for the umpteenth time) ... how it all works ...

Boxing is a Martial-Art ... and Martial-Arts (theoretically) work on a very deep level ... they change the way people behave ... not only when it come to "fighting" ... ... ... indeed ... fighting has little, if anything, to do with it ... it's about personal development ... about being a better person ... a better man ...

... (though what it really does is reconfigure one's brain architecture ... though no one else really understands that) ...

At any rate ... what it all means is that the practice of boxing ... AS A MARTIAL ART ... manifests itself in the practice of everyday life ... in everything about a person ... ESPECIALLY in how one expresses oneself outside the ring ... (i. e. verbally) ...

Cheap shots, sucker punches and low blows are as unacceptable in casual discourse, courtroom argument, political debate (and internet forums) as they are in the ring ... and that is one of the primary reasons that the study of boxing is so important ...

... not only to the individual ... but to society at large ... to the advancement of civilization ... the improvement of the human condition ... and the future of humankind ....

Remember ... Boxing is a pure product of the Western Enlightenment ... and it manifests the values of the Western Enlightenment to a greater degree than any other human activity ... (bar none) ...

... (hope that helps) ... ...

Wow! Nice! : )

[Joe Speck]

Their are some matters in Boxing that are harder "fact" than other. I WILL be calling anyone who support IBO as... moron.

[BoxBuzz]

Their are some matters in Boxing that are harder "fact" than other. I WILL be calling anyone who support IBO as... moron.

Moron? That's taking it to the highest level.....we may need to convene a court over such uncivil discourse.

By the way......are we talking the International Baccalaureate Organization Or the Infernal Boxing Organization?

[IRONFIST]

Opinions.......are just that..........let's have just as many opinions as can be expressed.....
and if I may make a suggestion.......let's have less bundled undies.

It is my suggestion that if you don't agree with someone......just disagree..........period.

Conflict is the very nature of the sport we share an enthusiasm for.
So....Make your point and counterpoints. And be a GOOD SPORT.

Boxer's conflict in the ring, and give a handshake before the fight, and on occasion a hug after the fight.
Maybe we could take a lesson from them.

What is taking place too often is a difference of opinion, followed by unsportsmanlike name calling when opinions differ. and there lies the infraction....

Are we seriously going to grab our pitchforks and torches for opinions?

IF YOU FEEL THE NEED>>>>>PLEASE CONSIDER THE USE OF THE IGNORE FEATURE.........and when you see someone quote the person you are ignoring.....(which of course inadvertently reminds you of that particular "deplorable"....USE YOUR OWN INNATE ABILITY to attempt to ignore said deplorable. Also, consider flexing those old unused "forgiveness muscles" on occasion, and just let a foolish person be a bit foolish (if that is your take) without a personal attack response.

And though I recognize popularity of contributors can be a dynamic, I'd really like to avoid it becoming an issue here.
And I am seeing a resurgence of many quality contributors dropping back in to have a say, and it's a welcome turn of events for many of us.

Fair Warning,

Mods may take action regarding those who use expletives, and personal attacks, and will TAKE NO ACTION against those who are simply expressing opinions. If you go aggressively after a fellow contributor on a personal basis for there stated opinion with hate speech, expletives, or personal attacks..... expect a response.

Hatespeech, Expletives, and personal attacks have always been against the rules. Mods really do want to allow for some venting now and again....so there may be a difference regarding actions for the use of the 3 stooges favorite word "moron" vs more vile language which is painful to read,or pointed personal attacks which kids should not have to read.

My best suggestion is for people to simply tolerate diverse opinions.

Capiche?

I have high regard for a good discussion. And for a day or so, I'll leave this thread open for comments with the expectation of soliciting some helpful feedback, ideas and contributions. However if this thread becomes a lightening rod for negativity, name calling, bitching, whining......I will lock it or delete it as that would render it useless.

It is my intention to facilitate improved communication, and prefer NOT to limit peoples ability to have a lively discussion.

Well said Buzzy old boy. I mean I'm well used to character assassination played for cheap laughs from some quarters, good luck to them but it can hold back others who want to say want they really think on matters but would be too scared of upsetting the apple cart etc.

You know old boy, you would've got on like a house on fire with old RW from Rebels. He was another one who liked to stretch the mental thinking ability of others.

[Finkel]

"BoxRec" could CENTER BETTER. FOR NOW THEY SUPPORT THE IBO and that is HIGHLY PATHETIC.

You could view it as them paying respect to those who came before. Boxrec uses an algorithm to rank the fighters. IBO adopted this approach before them.

Though there would clearly have been one hand washing the other, if it is true that the IBO later adopted Boxrec's ranking system (I think replacing that of the PBO rating system). I don't know what the IBO use now though, as their rankings don't resemble those of Boxrec.

But I can understand the irritation at having the IBO recognized alongside WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO in a time when most want a reduction in belts at the top level, not a proliferation of them.

[Joe Speck]

But....... sometimes a matter WILL be very strong matter. So.... if someone IS a dope. Better to only SAY as much. Rather than... "yes your kindness.. we have your back as well....."
No.

[Joe Speck]

John Sheppard around ever ?

[Joe Speck]

"BoxRec" could CENTER BETTER. FOR NOW THEY SUPPORT THE IBO and that is HIGHLY PATHETIC.

You could view it as them paying respect to those who came before. Boxrec uses an algorithm to rank the fighters. IBO adopted this approach before them.

Though there would clearly have been one hand washing the other, if it is true that the IBO later adopted Boxrec's ranking system (I think replacing that of the PBO rating system). I don't know what the IBO use now though, as their rankings don't resemble those of Boxrec.

Dude. I don't want to hear about the IBO and YOU are Outsider. Novice. No experience in this Sport what so ever. End of it. Will be marking your signal as an adverse.
Your done. Doublemindedness doesn't score points with me!

But I can understand the irritation at having the IBO recognized alongside WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO in a time when most want a reduction in belts at the top level, not a proliferation of them.

[Finkel]

"BoxRec" could CENTER BETTER. FOR NOW THEY SUPPORT THE IBO and that is HIGHLY PATHETIC.

You could view it as them paying respect to those who came before. Boxrec uses an algorithm to rank the fighters. IBO adopted this approach before them.

Though there would clearly have been one hand washing the other, if it is true that the IBO later adopted Boxrec's ranking system (I think replacing that of the PBO rating system). I don't know what the IBO use now though, as their rankings don't resemble those of Boxrec.

Dude. I don't want to hear about the IBO and YOU are Outsider. Novice. No experience in this Sport what so ever. End of it. Will be marking your signal as an adverse.
Your done. Doublemindedness doesn't score points with me!

Take care Mr. Insider. I will surely miss your insightful discourse

But I can understand the irritation at having the IBO recognized alongside WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO in a time when most want a reduction in belts at the top level, not a proliferation of them.

[Benny The Kid]

For me personally i feel being objective is vital.

I never fully commit to one side or another as i'm always seeking alternative view points even within my own thought's.

The One thing that i have no tolerance for is presenting an option as fact. It's simply corrected in wording. I feel...or it's my thought's...


Whatever it is...if i feel or sense the fact that narcissism could be in play(in reading someone's ideas)

I'm immediately turned off. It seems a complete amateur move myself. None of us are "god's" we can't pass our option as fact. What's worse it's indicating a closed mind because you can't see another view point. That's the exact reason i'm never 100% on one side or another.

As a historian i always view my interpretation's as a manager. I want what's best for each boxer's own legacy that he earned i don't try and play favorite's towards boxer's. The only thing i am seeking is further clarity which is most obviously hearing other viewpoint's whom are NOT presented to me as any kind of fact.

I certainly love that famous quote from Bill Clinton. Our critics are our friend's because they do show us our fault's.

I debate all the time within my mind on both sides of any argument.

Just don't try and present your option's as facts. We have enough narcissism in this world let's not add to it.

[pound per pound]

Humor.....is always welcome content.

Who won in your opinion Hagler or Leonard? Boom the firsts break out

[BoxBuzz]

Humor.....is always welcome content.

Who won in your opinion Hagler or Leonard? Boom the firsts break out

This just in: After giving this thought for over a year. I have determined that Judges are part of the game. Thus SRL did indeed come out on top.