A.J. WORKING ON MOBILITY FOR RUIZ REMATCH

[Luckybattles]

AJ needs to learn how to clinch.. Stay on outside and jab fight tall, and tie up on inside...a little late for 3 month crash course though..

“Fight tall”...... What does that mean? Keep your chin up ? Stand straight up ? I thinks that’s a myth perpetuated by people who know nothing about boxing. In any case, I agree it’s a little late to be learning new things. If he has to learn things now, he is in trouble.

[Best Coast]

Has he brought Ricky Hatton on board?

Good one!!

[coneye]

“Fight tall”...... What does that mean? Keep your chin up ? Stand straight up ? I thinks that’s a myth perpetuated by people who know nothing about boxing. In any case, I agree it’s a little late to be learning new things. If he has to learn things now, he is in trouble.

Rubbish ,,I think this stupid statement shows your lack of boxing ,knoledge , fight tall is a common expresion , no one says it means keep your chin up , or even just stand straight up , it means get your range , don't let the smaller guy get his , You teach beginers to use there long jab if they have one , and they can't do that by , bringing themselves down to a short guys height , .
I used to have a guy who won lots and lots of jnr fights , he was 5' 8" at 48 klio , through to 54 kilo , beat most he fought has a jnr ,,, he changed to my gym , when he turned senior and was getting beat all the time , his previous coach was at a loss at the sudden losses ,,, When he came i sat him down and asked what do we have to change , he said , don't know ,

I explained in your junior fights you were taller and stronger , and they could'nt get past your jab and move , and your movement and straight punches were great , when you were fighting tall , BUT now your a senior , your 67 kilo and losing because you can't fight short , your still using a fight tall approach , and getting out jabbed , you have to learn to slip , move get inside and fight short (inside ) . We changed him and he went back to winning , its an expresion thats all , not a myth by people who know nothing

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He also needs some guts. That's not very learnable though.

Nothing wrong with his guts.

He was quite clearly concussed.

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The worst thing you can do is be caught between styles going into a big fight.

Spot on.

The odd thing for Joshua is that he is still actually a work in progress.

He started collecting trinkets after only 16 fights and from then on, he's been on a two fights a year strategy.

It's impossible to fully learn your trade after so few fights.

Saying that though, he's never going to be Muhammad Ali, so any talk about improving his mobility might be futile.

[jamamb]

he doesnt really need to be super mobile, he just needs to box like he did until he dropped ruiz and got wild. up till then hed won the first 2 rounds on all cards and scored a nice knock down

[Onetimeonly]

he doesnt really need to be super mobile, he just needs to box like he did until he dropped ruiz and got wild. up till then hed won the first 2 rounds on all cards and scored a nice knock down

he was pressing to make an emphatic American debut to help Eddie's floundering venture. At least that's what I think. We'll see, I expect him to dominate the rematch like I expected him to dominate the first one. I've been wrong twice before, I honestly was surprised he floored Andy so early.

[Luckybattles]

Rubbish ,,I think this stupid statement shows your lack of boxing ,knoledge , fight tall is a common expresion , no one says it means keep your chin up , or even just stand straight up , it means get your range , don't let the smaller guy get his , You teach beginers to use there long jab if they have one , and they can't do that by , bringing themselves down to a short guys height , .
I used to have a guy who won lots and lots of jnr fights , he was 5' 8" at 48 klio , through to 54 kilo , beat most he fought has a jnr ,,, he changed to my gym , when he turned senior and was getting beat all the time , his previous coach was at a loss at the sudden losses ,,, When he came i sat him down and asked what do we have to change , he said , don't know ,

I explained in your junior fights you were taller and stronger , and they could'nt get past your jab and move , and your movement and straight punches were great , when you were fighting tall , BUT now your a senior , your 67 kilo and losing because you can't fight short , your still using a fight tall approach , and getting out jabbed , you have to learn to slip , move get inside and fight short (inside ) . We changed him and he went back to winning , its an expresion thats all , not a myth by people who know nothing

It’s backwards terminology perpetuated by idiots like yourself that don’t know the difference between height and reach. I’ve worked with a handful of world champs and it’s common sense that a tall fighter fighting tall does not lengthen your reach. It actually shortens your reach. For your benefit, It’s better not to confuse tall and rangy kids by telling them to box tall. Instead you can tell them to box at eye level If you want them to maintain a reach advantage

[coneye]

It’s a myth perpetuated by idiots like yourself that don’t know the difference between height and reach. I’ve worked with a handful of world champs and it’s common sense that a tall fighter fighting tall does not lengthen your reach. It actually shortens your reach. For your benefit, It’s better not to confuse kids by telling them to box tall. Instead you can tell them to box at eye level to maximize their range.

Wanker so you tell a 6'6" fella to box at eye level with a 5' 10" fighter and drop his height and reach , thus bring himself into range to get knocked out ,, Fight Tall is'nt a myth its just a figure of speach , , as in fight tall use your reach and height to gain the advantage , just like fight short , and work your way inside against a tall fighter , these are not myths , more figures of speach ,

But telling a guy who's tall to come down and fight at eye level against a short opponent , or telling a short guy to stnad up and be on eye level with a tall opponent is the sign of a wanker.

Fury at 6' 7" trying to drop down to eye level with Ruiz will find the same happens to him , using his height , range , and reach would probably win it for him

[Luckybattles]

Wanker so you tell a 6'6" fella to box at eye level with a 5' 10" fighter and drop his height and reach , thus bring himself into range to get knocked out ,, Fight Tall is'nt a myth its just a figure of speach , , as in fight tall use your reach and height to gain the advantage , just like fight short , and work your way inside against a tall fighter , these are not myths , more figures of speach ,

But telling a guy who's tall to come down and fight at eye level against a short opponent , or telling a short guy to stnad up and be on eye level with a tall opponent is the sign of a wanker

There are advantages and disadvantages to everything. But TALL has nothing to do with it. To maximize reach, a taller fighter would need to get eye level. TO MAXIMIZE reach. Pure physics. It’s a stupid figure of speech that confuses a lot of idiots

[coneye]

OK you say ...... quote To maximize reach, a taller fighter would need to get eye level. TO MAXIMIZE reach. Pure physics,, unquote ,
Who's eye level ,

[candyslim]

he was pressing to make an emphatic American debut to help Eddie's floundering venture. At least that's what I think. We'll see, I expect him to dominate the rematch like I expected him to dominate the first one. I've been wrong twice before, I honestly was surprised he floored Andy so early.

I doubt it had anything to to with economics, but AJ was definitely more gung ho than he should have been. I'm sure he felt the need to make a big impact on his US/DAZN debut anyway, but this was greatly magnified by Wilder's hugely impressive demolition of Breazeale. In his mind a quietly efficient sensible win just wasn't going to cut it.

If he had kept a cool head and looked to keep doing the things he was doing that put Andy down for the first time ever, he may have softened him up sufficiently for a stoppage in the mid to late rounds. As it was he got reckless and got wrecked. Better to be upstaged by Wilder than upended by Ruiz.

[coneye]

I doubt it had anything to to with economics, but AJ was definitely more gung ho than he should have been. I'm sure he felt the need to make a big impact on his US/DAZN debut anyway, but this was greatly magnified by Wilder's hugely impressive demolition of Breazeale. In his mind a quietly efficient sensible win just wasn't going to cut it.

If he had kept a cool head and looked to keep doing the things he was doing that put Andy down for the first time ever, he may have softened him up sufficiently for a stoppage in the mid to late rounds. As it was he got reckless and got wrecked. Better to be upstaged by Wilder than upended by Ruiz.

True , it probably ALL had a bearing on his performance , and like someone pointed out up till he got knocked down he was doing well .. Someone else also made a good point he's actually work in progress , for the amount of fights and years boxing , he's done well .

But i do think Ruiz has now got his number , he knows he can hurt him and that will play a massive part in the rematch , I do think though theres still a big future for AJ , i just think he has to go and base himself in the states with a top american trainer and all the top sparring , away from all the scientific , body beutifull stuff

[Onetimeonly]

I doubt wilders win had anything to do with it.

[Luckybattles]

OK you say ...... quote To maximize reach, a taller fighter would need to get eye level. TO MAXIMIZE reach. Pure physics,, unquote ,
Who's eye level ,

Haven’t you ever seen a taller more rangier fighter base his legs out? There is a simple reason for that. Anyway, Anthony got KTFO because of a reason nobody talks about. He misread Ruiz when Ruiz was on the canvas. If you look at Ruiz eyes as he sat on the floor, he looked alert and ready to pounce. Joshua didn’t bother to evaluate that. He just figured that Ruiz was hurt after taking that massive shot and decided to go for the kill. In some ways it was understandable since everyone before that had crumbled. He shouldn’t have assumed.

[candyslim]

True , it probably ALL had a bearing on his performance , and like someone pointed out up till he got knocked down he was doing well .. Someone else also made a good point he's actually work in progress , for the amount of fights and years boxing , he's done well .

But i do think Ruiz has now got his number , he knows he can hurt him and that will play a massive part in the rematch , I do think though theres still a big future for AJ , i just think he has to go and base himself in the states with a top american trainer and all the top sparring , away from all the scientific , body beutifull stuff

That's right. Someone was suggesting that because of the way AJ's career has been, going from challenge to challenge in quick order, he has never really had the chance to learn his craft. Their theory was that he should forget the rematch for the moment and take on a few opponents he can use to hone his skills. If he were to win the rematch he'd be champion again with obligations to fight the top guys where it's all about winning and no time for learning.

I guess that makes a certain kind of sense although I'd argue that taking easier opponents can make you lazy and complacent whereas competing against the best forces you to up your game or sink.

@OTO I did hear AJ commenting before the fight that he hoped that Wilder wouldn't do a better job on Breazeale than he had, or words to that effect. He said it laughingly but it was obviously something that he had thought about.

In his fight with Ruiz he would have been very aware of Wilder's blast-out and if he didn't feel an urge to match that with his own crushing statement win, I'd be very surprised.

[Finkel]

Well to be fair we had the benefit of cameras pointed directly at Ruiz.

I wider stance could be effective. I did think it odd that Joshua kept doing a squat to throw his jab, I figured with the weight of his frame that would tire him quite quick.

[Winter king]

Joshua is tall but he doesnt fight tall and he is probably the strongest heavyweight but he doesnt use his strength. He shouldnt change up his style just work on his jab and tighten his guard because he keeps eating those left hooks what cost him this fight. He could block and push AR s shoulders while closing in like Big George did against Frazier. Also pull on his guard to land punches like Overeem used to in the K1 uberreem times.

[Onetimeonly]

That's right. Someone was suggesting that because of the way AJ's career has been, going from challenge to challenge in quick order, he has never really had the chance to learn his craft. Their theory was that he should forget the rematch for the moment and take on a few opponents he can use to hone his skills. If he were to win the rematch he'd be champion again with obligations to fight the top guys where it's all about winning and no time for learning.

I guess that makes a certain kind of sense although I'd argue that taking easier opponents can make you lazy and complacent whereas competing against the best forces you to up your game or sink.

@OTO I did hear AJ commenting before the fight that he hoped that Wilder wouldn't do a better job on Breazeale than he had, or words to that effect. He said it laughingly but it was obviously something that he had thought about.

In his fight with Ruiz he would have been very aware of Wilder's blast-out and if he didn't feel an urge to match that with his own crushing statement win, I'd be very surprised.

I'd be surprised if he didn't feel the need for an emphatic American debut to try and boost those that line his pockets. He knew wilder wasn't next no matter what. It's whatever, we shockingly disagree on why he pressed the issue to a fault. It appears we at least agree on that.

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t know if AJ misread the situation, since he followed-up the third-round knockdown by landing an enormous right-hand that connected bang on the button. Unfortunately, the Mexican didn’t seem troubled by the knockdown or that monstrous shot that immediately followed it.

Things like this happens. And Joshua should have taken a step-back and regrouped instead of standing in the trenches and trading.

The main problem, I feel, relates to AJ’s willingness to sacrifice his height and reach advantage to engage at mid-range, since his style is all about power, throwing huge hooks and uppercuts, whilst possessing slow hands.

He loads-up far too much for my liking, which adversely affects his footwork, his hand-speed and stamina.

Whenever Joshua stupidly tried to trade and go toe-to-toe with an opponent that has much faster hands than himself, then this has inevitably resulted in him taking more punches than he was throwing.

Another huge issue that Joshua has is related to him over-committing when he throws the right hand. He loads-up, plants his feet, twists his hips and becomes squared-up.

And every time he threw that shot, he essentially becomes locked-down, preventing him from following-up with other punches and also preventing him from maintaining a safe distance, since his positioning doesn’t provide him with an easy escape route.

Basically, AJ’s stylistic flaws and penchant to plant his feet, provided Andy Ruiz Jr. ample opportunities to time Joshua’s shots, close the distance and land his own clubbing hook counter combos. The Brit was being punished almost every time he fully-committed himself to throwing a punch.

Joshua also gave up too much ground, perhaps because he was gassed after loading up so often and maybe felt threatened by Ruiz Jr’s constant presence, as well as jabs to the chest and arms, since AJ wasn’t given enough opportunities to recover from the close quarter exchanges.

Ruiz Jr. was also able to close the distance seemingly at will with his lance-like straight right hand thrown from the outside (much akin to the effectiveness of Pacquiao’s equivalent shot against De La Hoya).

What was also really strange to me, was AJ’s inability to follow Robert McCracken’s orders! Team Joshua’s game-plan for the Ruiz Jr. fight was perfect, but the Brit somehow refrained from executing it.

Anyway, it seems a shame to focus on the mistakes that Anthony Joshua made when Andy Ruiz Jr. fought so well.

[coneye]

Haven’t you ever seen a taller more rangier fighter base his legs out? There is a simple reason for that. Anyway, Anthony got KTFO because of a reason nobody talks about. He misread Ruiz when Ruiz was on the canvas. If you look at Ruiz eyes as he sat on the floor, he looked alert and ready to pounce. Joshua didn’t bother to evaluate that. He just figured that Ruiz was hurt after taking that massive shot and decided to go for the kill. In some ways it was understandable since everyone before that had crumbled. He shouldn’t have assumed.

Yes i have and i can see your point , but i've also seen tall rangier fighters , like i said , for want of a better word fight tall , by moving , jabbing , holding when they come in , or simply being the better fighter on the inside , i keep telling you fight tall is an expresion not a style , , how a trainer puts it across on what he wants his fella to do is another subject .. There are quite a few American boxers who are tall that do that very well , can't be bothered going through a list ,, But the better boxers can do everything , well , if not great , .

Has a matter of fact tonight i'm taking my son to spar a 6' 4"" lad who has had 18- 20 ameteur fights he's not a bad lad very rangy and does what you say ALL the time , he boxes with his legs wide , and yet my son , 5'9" tall with 0 fights and 6 months training has no problems with him , Because he's worked out , that when the legs are too far apart , he's not has quick on the feet , and thats when the attack starts , my boy closes him down and works on the inside , and does it easy , yet most others get a touch up from this lad , , so i can see what you mean but it does'nt always work , and i know its all about levels . But heh its boxing , its a thinking mans sport and whats good for one does'nt mean its good for everyone .

I also agree he misread Ruiz , and so did most of the world including myself , Ruiz is just that much better than most thought , he sort of slipped under the radar , but boxing from a little kid , all that ameteyur experience , he learnt his craft well and has been rewarded , good on the fella , Ruiz just had a better chin , more power and far better ring craft and footwork than most thought .

ps It would be interesting to see , AJ fight him next with his legs wider apart , would it help AJ have a better straighter , jab , / right hand , or would it slow his feet down and enable Ruiz to come in faster on different angles , , the rematch will be be interesting

[candyslim]

I'd be surprised if he didn't feel the need for an emphatic American debut to try and boost those that line his pockets. He knew wilder wasn't next no matter what. It's whatever, we shockingly disagree on why he pressed the issue to a fault. It appears we at least agree on that.

That we do.

I’m sure Joshua was wanting to make a huge impression in his first appearance in the US. There are many reasons for this, not least financial. What’s good for Joshua is also good for Hearn and DAZN, so whether he felt any additional pressure to perform for the sake of his ‘business partners’ … well you can’t rule it out.

[bigman1968]

he was pressing to make an emphatic American debut to help Eddie's floundering venture. At least that's what I think. We'll see, I expect him to dominate the rematch like I expected him to dominate the first one. I've been wrong twice before, I honestly was surprised he floored Andy so early.

After Wilder executed Breazeal in seconds - Joshua could not give non-impressive show in his US introduction event. Simple as that.

[SenorPipino]

After Wilder executed Breazeal in seconds - Joshua could not give non-impressive show in his US introduction event. Simple as that.

I doubt he gave it much thought.

He came to win as always. That's all. Do you think Joshua was trying to do away with Ruiz quicker than Wilder dismissed Breazeale?

That would have been quite difficult and irrelevant.

All that's important is picking up a win. Joshua failed there but it had to do with his inability to adjust and deal with adversity.

It had nothing to do with him pressing to be as impressive as Wilder or any anxiety over a US/DAZN debut.

[bigman1968]

I doubt he gave it much thought.

He came to win as always. That's all. Do you think Joshua was trying to do away with Ruiz quicker than Wilder dismissed Breazeale?

That would have been quite difficult and irrelevant.

All that's important is picking up a win. Joshua failed there but it had to do with his inability to adjust and deal with adversity.

It had nothing to do with him pressing to be as impressive as Wilder or any anxiety over a US/DAZN debut.

We both have no idea what was on AJ mind...