Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?

[kamil256]

Mike Tyson came to Poland to promote Black energy drink which is one of the most popular in this country. The interviewer asked him about his opinion about Briedis' foul punch and Tyson answered that it was ok and he would do the same in this situation (I don't understand 100%, but polish subtitles say so). I'm polish and I'm Glowacki's fan, but when people argue, I always try to understand both sides. I don't think Tyson was right, his opinion seems to be one of the extreme ones. Even american journalists say it was not fair at all. However, was it good for Tyson to say things like that when he comes to Poland to promote some product in Poland? I heard that when he was giving other interviews, he had different opinions. I think it was quite funny.

seems that WBO will force the winner of Briedis vs Dorticos to fight Głowacki in 120 days after their fight.

Another inevitable beatdown awaits Glowacki.

What are you talking about? Glowacki will get back his belt for sure!

[dagilechia]

i hope that Dorticos wins, not because i wish him lose after his dirty boxing against Głowacki, i just want to see Dorticos vs Głowacki and i think that it would be easier to make.

[kamil256]

i hope that Dorticos wins, not because i wish him lose after his dirty boxing against Głowacki, i just want to see Dorticos vs Głowacki and i think that it would be easier to make.

I hope not. It would be great fight with Briedis again. People are waiting for it. I don't think it will be easy fight for Briedis when he follows the rules. But it should be in neutral country like England for example.

[SenorPipino]

I seldom agree with anything that comes out of the mouth of Tyson, but this is an exception.

When a fighter is fouled as Breidis was, he has to come back and do the same to his opponent as soon as possible.

He needs to show that he's not to be messed with and that he'll return the favor in spades if it occurs again.

If you meekly allow your opponent to get away with a foul, technically you're his bitch the remainder of the fight.

Breidis and Tyson understand this.

[greg]

let's just not make Breidis look like a tough guy..he was boxing in his backyard knowing he'll have full support of everyone involved..let's see him do the same trick elsewhere and see what happens...

[dagilechia]

let's just not make Breidis look like a tough guy..he was boxing in his backyard knowing he'll have full support of everyone involved..let's see him do the same trick elsewhere and see what happens...

good point or just imagine what would happen if Głowacki did that against him in Riga...

[gilgamesh]

I seldom agree with anything that comes out of the mouth of Tyson, but this is an exception.

When a fighter is fouled as Breidis was, he has to come back and do the same to his opponent as soon as possible.

He needs to show that he's not to be messed with and that he'll return the favor in spades if it occurs again.

If you meekly allow your opponent to get away with a foul, technically you're his bitch the remainder of the fight.

Breidis and Tyson understand this.

It's a fight. It's not a dance. It's the referees job to enforce the rules. It's your job as the fighter to protect yourself.

[dagilechia]

I seldom agree with anything that comes out of the mouth of Tyson, but this is an exception.

When a fighter is fouled as Breidis was, he has to come back and do the same to his opponent as soon as possible.

He needs to show that he's not to be messed with and that he'll return the favor in spades if it occurs again.

If you meekly allow your opponent to get away with a foul, technically you're his bitch the remainder of the fight.

Breidis and Tyson understand this.

It's a fight. It's not a dance. It's the referees job to enforce the rules. It's your job as the fighter to protect yourself.

but if referee doesn't enforce the rules and commits a huge amount of obvious mistakes the fight should be a NC and a referee at least suspended. Briedis made a disgusting dirty foul but Byrd is the one to blame.

[gilgamesh]

I must say. There are very few fight fans as passionate as Polish fans. Such Nationalistic pride it's unbelievable. Not just here, but on Twitter too people just can't stop talking about this fight.

A video was recently posted of Breidis receiving his WBO belt, and a sh*t load of responses are pissed off Polish fans saying he doesn't deserve it

Some of the most intense national pride of any people in the world. I've always found that interesting, and odd. I wonder what it comes from?

I'm not mocking it mind you, just pointing it out as something I can't help but notice.

I'd actually like to know why Polish fans have such intense nationalistic pride if any of you guys could enlighten us as to that, because it's not just this fight.

Look at Bowe vs Golota? Because of that whole situation a full scale riot broke out. Two of the more combustible and polar opposite cultures opposing each other in the ring, and in the crowd.

I just wonder why that is. European crowds in general certainly support their fighters, but not with anywhere near the fervor that Polish fight fans do.

[kamil256]

I seldom agree with anything that comes out of the mouth of Tyson, but this is an exception.

When a fighter is fouled as Breidis was, he has to come back and do the same to his opponent as soon as possible.

He needs to show that he's not to be messed with and that he'll return the favor in spades if it occurs again.

If you meekly allow your opponent to get away with a foul, technically you're his bitch the remainder of the fight.

Breidis and Tyson understand this.

I can understand that. When our polish legend Andrew Golota was giving Riddick Bowe the low blows, we didn't stop to love him Boxing is dirty and aggressive sport and we like emotions that it envokes.

Edit: I didn't read gilgamesh's post before posting this one.

[dagilechia]

I must say. There are very few fight fans as passionate as Polish fans. Such Nationalistic pride it's unbelievable. Not just here, but on Twitter too people just can't stop talking about this fight.

A video was recently posted of Breidis receiving his WBO belt, and a sh*t load of responses are pissed off Polish fans saying he doesn't deserve it

Some of the most intense national pride of any people in the world. I've always found that interesting, and odd. I wonder what it comes from?

I'm not mocking it mind you, just pointing it out as something I can't help but notice.

I'd actually like to know why Polish fans have such intense nationalistic pride if any of you guys could enlighten us as to that, because it's not just this fight.

Look at Bowe vs Golota? Because of that whole situation a full scale riot broke out. Two of the more combustible and polar opposite cultures opposing each other in the ring, and in the crowd.

I just wonder why that is. European crowds in general certainly support their fighters, but not with anywhere near the fervor that Polish fight fans do.

123 (1795-1918) years of opression and occupation by 3 countries, germanization, russification, forced displacements into Siberia or Kazakhstan, katorga forced labour, bloody insurections in 1831 and 1863, Polish-Bolshevik war of 1919-1920, World War 2 and the tragedies of Warsaw Uprising and Katyn Massacre, Volhynian Genocide, almost 50 years of Soviet oppression (1944-1989), Stalinist regime, persecutions and death sentences, Cursed Soldiers fight against Stalinist regime in 1944-1947 (the last one fought until 1963 though) - it has, without a doubt, historical background why Polish people are like this

Poland was a European superpower for some time, then it was erased from the map and Polish nation faced opression, almost without a break, from 1795 to 1989, so Polish people react intensely when some kind of injustice (whether they're right or not it's another thing) happen to their compatriot.

Also, Polish people, despite it was already centuries ago, miss the European power status, now we are rather a poor and weak country, so people support everyone as much as they can to achieve some success.

[gilgamesh]

Thanks for the detailed answer

[dagilechia]

Thanks for the detailed answer

btw, Tyson's last visit to Poland caused even more butthurt than the video of Briedis receiving the WBO belt, mostly due to this short opinion of Tyson about Warsaw Uprising and the comparision of Polish people and Black Americans history

[gilgamesh]

The funniest thing about that is the fact that some Energy Drink company has clearly paid him a lot of money to come there, and help them advertise their product, and he's apparently done anything but help

Way she goes I guess.

[dagilechia]

The funniest thing about that is the fact that some Energy Drink company has clearly paid him a lot of money to come there, and help them advertise their product, and he's apparently done anything but help

Way she goes I guess.

yeah, some right-wing media call to boycott this energy drink and so do people in the comments below the videos of Mike Tyson in Poland, it's not the first time when an energy drink advertised by an boxer in Poland is boycotted due to Warsaw Uprising related stuff, Dariusz Michalczewski's ''Tiger'' energy drink, went with an advertise on 01.08 (date of start of Warsaw Uprising) that said ''August 1 - day of remembrance, screw the past, only the future matters'', also, Michalczewski is known for his support to the so called ''LGBT'' movements and that he fought under the German flag and was listening to the German anthem before his fights doesn't help him either.

[kamil256]

The funniest thing about that is the fact that some Energy Drink company has clearly paid him a lot of money to come there, and help them advertise their product, and he's apparently done anything but help

Way she goes I guess.

In my opinion when people try to promote something, they like to have controversial opinions, because it causes so many comments and everyone have that product in their mind. It may seem to be risky move, but there's huge chance that it will bring profit. I don't think Mike Tyson is stupid and I think he knows what he's doing. Many people will choose Monster, Red Bull and even Tiger (which had much worse advertising about Warsaw Uprising, but people forget it over time) instead of Black, but so many people will talk about Black, which is good for marketing. I'm just trying to be neutral now, but personally I don't agree with Tyson. I know what he means when he says about black people, but maybe he didn't hear enough about what really happened.

[dagilechia]

The funniest thing about that is the fact that some Energy Drink company has clearly paid him a lot of money to come there, and help them advertise their product, and he's apparently done anything but help

Way she goes I guess.

In my opinion when people try to promote something, they like to have controversial opinions, because it causes so many comments and everyone have that product in their mind. It may seem to be risky move, but there's huge chance that it will bring profit. I don't think Mike Tyson is stupid and I think he knows what he's doing. Many people will choose Monster, Red Bull and even Tiger (which had much worse advertising about Warsaw Uprising, but people forget it over time) instead of Black, but so many people will talk about Black, which is good for marketing. I'm just trying to be neutral now, but personally I don't agree with Tyson.

well, his opinion was just clearly wrong, every bit of it

[kamil256]

it's not the first time when an energy drink advertised by an boxer in Poland is boycotted due to Warsaw Uprising related stuff, Dariusz Michalczewski's ''Tiger'' energy drink, went with an advertise on 01.08 (date of start of Warsaw Uprising) that said ''August 1 - day of remembrance, screw the past, only the future matters''

You didn't mention the most important - middle finger:


I hope this discussion doesn't get too patriotic... I'm a little drunk now
I think Tyson's team knew exactly about it and maybe they saw that Tiger energy drink is still fine after that.

[dagilechia]

it's not the first time when an energy drink advertised by an boxer in Poland is boycotted due to Warsaw Uprising related stuff, Dariusz Michalczewski's ''Tiger'' energy drink, went with an advertise on 01.08 (date of start of Warsaw Uprising) that said ''August 1 - day of remembrance, screw the past, only the future matters''

You didn't mention the most important - middle finger:


I hope this discussion doesn't get too patriotic... I'm a little drunk now
I think Tyson's team knew exactly about it and maybe they saw that Tiger energy drink is still fine after that.

i barely drink any energy drinks but if i do i never choose Tiger, there are some people who still boycott it until today, that being said i guess that a lot of left wingers supported it and switched to Tiger to support them.

[boxing_rocks]

I must say. There are very few fight fans as passionate as Polish fans. Such Nationalistic pride it's unbelievable. Not just here, but on Twitter too people just can't stop talking about this fight.

A video was recently posted of Breidis receiving his WBO belt, and a sh*t load of responses are pissed off Polish fans saying he doesn't deserve it

Some of the most intense national pride of any people in the world. I've always found that interesting, and odd. I wonder what it comes from?

I'm not mocking it mind you, just pointing it out as something I can't help but notice.

I'd actually like to know why Polish fans have such intense nationalistic pride if any of you guys could enlighten us as to that, because it's not just this fight.

Look at Bowe vs Golota? Because of that whole situation a full scale riot broke out. Two of the more combustible and polar opposite cultures opposing each other in the ring, and in the crowd.

I just wonder why that is. European crowds in general certainly support their fighters, but not with anywhere near the fervor that Polish fight fans do.

123 (1795-1918) years of opression and occupation by 3 countries, germanization, russification, ....

Poland was a European superpower for some time, then it was erased from the map and Polish nation faced opression, almost without a break, from 1795 to 1989

So, when it was a European superpower, it was doing polonization (for example of Western Russia/Ukraine). Then it came around and turned into germanization and russification. That is how history worked -- more powerful countries were conquering less powerful ones.

[ValMar]

You didn't mention the most important - middle finger:


I hope this discussion doesn't get too patriotic... I'm a little drunk now
I think Tyson's team knew exactly about it and maybe they saw that Tiger energy drink is still fine after that.

i barely drink any energy drinks but if i do i never choose Tiger, there are some people who still boycott it until today, that being said i guess that a lot of left wingers supported it and switched to Tiger to support them.

Are there any left wingers in Poland ? And, why not ?

[dagilechia]

i barely drink any energy drinks but if i do i never choose Tiger, there are some people who still boycott it until today, that being said i guess that a lot of left wingers supported it and switched to Tiger to support them.

Are there any left wingers in Poland ? And, why not ?

yeah, i'd say 20-30% are left-wing supporters (Poland - a country with the first transgender MP in history, a party of an homosexualist and his ''husband'' got 6% in last election)

[dagilechia]

123 (1795-1918) years of opression and occupation by 3 countries, germanization, russification, ....

Poland was a European superpower for some time, then it was erased from the map and Polish nation faced opression, almost without a break, from 1795 to 1989

So, when it was a European superpower, it was doing polonization (for example of Western Russia/Ukraine). Then it came around and turned into germanization and russification. That is how history worked -- more powerful countries were conquering less powerful ones.

Germanization and Russification was forcing other nations to become germanized and russified, Polonization wasn't like that, Polish culture just offered more to those people and a lot of them started to feel Polish and speak Polish by themselves. there weren't Ukrainians or Belarusians back then, while Germanization and Russification of Poles was on a nation with a strong national identity, those people, the Ruthenians, didn't had their own national identity at all (they called themselves the ''Litvins'' - the people of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, you could call yourself a ''Litvin'' and Polish at the same time, Polish national poem of Adam Mickiewicz starts with words (Lithuania, my fatherland). look how much better the Ruthenian culture and languages were preserves on the lands controlled by Poland and how the Ruthenian language almost got vanished in the territories controlled by Russia (Belarusian became a meaningless language treaten as a dialect of Russian while it (Ruthenian) was official in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (a part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, together with the Crown of Kingdom of Poland), in XIX, Galicia (today's western Ukraine) was a centre of Ukrainian culture and language, so the lands controlled by Poland and then Austria, not the Russian controlled parts.

the nomenclature was totally different back then

what we call Lithuanians now were called Samogitians back then, what we call Belarus today was called Lithuania back then, what we call Ukrainians today was called the Ruthenian people back then etc.. until 1930s most of people of modern southwestern Belarus called themselves ''Tutejsi'' (the locals) in census.

the was an idea to form the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian (today it would be Polish-Belarusian-Ukrainian) commonwealth instead of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in XVII. Poles weren't forcing the Ruthenians to speak Polish etc, a lot of Ruthenians were learning Polish language and assimilated into Polish culture by themselves. Lands like Polesia and Volhynia (where the Ukrainians commited a genocide on Poles during WW2) were a Ruthenian majority lands in 1930s, while the Polish or Slavic in general element was almost totally vanished in most of Pomerania and Silesia.

Poland was in a union with a Ruthenian state called Grand Duchy of Lithuania, not occuping the Ruthenian lands.

Kościuszko or Mickiewicz were both from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, they called themselves Litvins and Polish at the same time and they're famous heroe and a poet in both Poland and Belarus.

[ValMar]

Dagilechia, this is yours (and Polish) point of view. I don't know is this right or wrong. But, I am sure that the others (non-Polish) will not agree with you, and this is becoming the endless magic circle.
BTW, we are off topic...................

[dagilechia]

Dagilechia, this is yours (and Polish) point of view. I don't know is this right or wrong. But, I am sure that the others (non-Polish) will not agree with you, and this is becoming the endless magic circle.
BTW, we are off topic...................

i just want to point out that annexion of Polish and Lithuanian (in former nomenclature) lands by Germans, Russians and Austrians is a much different kind of thing than the union between two states: Crown of Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania - both those states were on the same equal rights in this union, were the Poles the Ruthenians the Lithuanians etc on the same equal rights in Russian Empire or Prussia?