is record for real? How can this person still be boxing?

[brymichig]

Ibrar Riyaz has a record of 6-164 4 and of the 164 loses only3 by KO. This almost looks fake. wow

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/471637

[jamamb]

there are lots of journeymen like this in uk, box all the time and are brought in for prospects to build there record against. they fight super defensive to avoid medical suspensions , so they can continue a very active schedule as a paid loser

the most famous is peter buckley

[HomicideHenry]

I've seen far worse records.

I'm a pretty big fan of journeymen like this. More so than champions and contenders. Guys like Bruce Strauss, Donnie Pendelton, Reggie Strickland, James Holly, Charles Atlas, etc.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I've seen far worse records.

I'm a pretty big fan of journeymen like this. More so than champions and contenders. Guys like Bruce Strauss, Donnie Pendelton, Reggie Strickland, James Holly, Charles Atlas, etc.

Probably a big fan of the Reform Party too

[HomicideHenry]

I've seen far worse records.

I'm a pretty big fan of journeymen like this. More so than champions and contenders. Guys like Bruce Strauss, Donnie Pendelton, Reggie Strickland, James Holly, Charles Atlas, etc.

Probably a big fan of the Reform Party too

I am a registered independent that being said the Reform Party, Green Party, etc absolutely sucks. It'll never be taken seriously until you weed out the kooks & actually form a legitimate committee.

[Ilya Muromets]

there are lots of journeymen like this in uk, box all the time and are brought in for prospects to build there record against. they fight super defensive to avoid medical suspensions , so they can continue a very active schedule as a paid loser

the most famous is peter buckley

Yep, he loses boxing matches for a living and yes his sterling record is for real. There's an interview with him on youtube, and i even watched part of one of his "fights". He puts on a legitimate show and doesn't just fall down on the floor, in fact it looks like he's never been been KO'd other than one TKO. In the interview he said he'd win most of his fights if he tried...so why doesn't he try...and why do they allow someone to fight who is admittedly not trying? Never mind, this is crooked boxing "sports entertainment". They call them jobbers in wrestling, but wrestling is much more honest than boxing.

It was funny the way the announcer introduced him saying he won 6 fights 3 by KO. He didn't mention the 165 losses!

[HomicideHenry]

It's ALWAYS been that way though. Usually the announcers will say, "He is a veteran of fifty fights!", instead of saying that they were 0-50-0. Dishonest? Maybe. Then again I used to come from a pro wrestling background. I knew a guy ("Big" Jim Lancaster) who was Al Snow's trainer, and in the Midwest he was a champion, but everywhere else he was either a jobber or a manager.

Alot of those perennial losers in boxing actually could fight--- believe it or not. A prime example is Reggie Strickland. He was on HBO SPORTS w/ Bryant Gumble once and basically said he lost on purpose only to knock people out later on down the road to win huge bets. Look at his record, from 147 to 200 he rarely lost on a stoppage and every once in a great while he'd beat some 10-0 or 20-0 type of guy. He made more money off being a designated loser than he probably could have trying to win everytime out.

[Ilya Muromets]

It's ALWAYS been that way though. Usually the announcers will say, "He is a veteran of fifty fights!", instead of saying that they were 0-50-0. Dishonest? Maybe. Then again I used to come from a pro wrestling background. I knew a guy ("Big" Jim Lancaster) who was Al Snow's trainer, and in the Midwest he was a champion, but everywhere else he was either a jobber or a manager.

Alot of those perennial losers in boxing actually could fight--- believe it or not. A prime example is Reggie Strickland. He was on HBO SPORTS w/ Bryant Gumble once and basically said he lost on purpose only to knock people out later on down the road to win huge bets. Look at his record, from 147 to 200 he rarely lost on a stoppage and every once in a great while he'd beat some 10-0 or 20-0 type of guy. He made more money off being a designated loser than he probably could have trying to win everytime out.

That last sentence - i think you're right! Riyaz often fights once a week. He has a steady income from his gig, and from the part of his fight i watched it looks like he's good enough so that he avoids getting hurt, not at all like a jobber who gets himself clocked and KO'd, or even a wrestling jobber who has to get twisted and tossed and thrown around and jumped on. How much do you think they pay him to lose fights, $100 or so?

How do you mean you come from a pro wrestling background.

[HomicideHenry]

I worked for an independent wrestling company in the early 2000s. Set up rings, handed out fliers, worked concessions, etc (paying my dues) so I could learn a little bit of the business.

A guy like that? Depends on who he's fighting. Better the opponent, better the pay. Depends also on the credentials of the debuter he may fight--- if it's some amateur champion making his debut he'd probably get $800+ for that match. If it's just some low level amateur making his debut, probably $400.

If he's fighting every week or every other week at $400, $600, $800 or even $1,200 a shot he's probably making anywhere between $1,200 a month or $4,800 a month if he's fighting every week.

Guys like him usually get their transportation, hotel, and food per diem covered by the promoter as well as the pay--- because his opponent is the one buying him as their opponent, because he's a guaranteed win for them.

When I boxed against J'Leon Love back in 2010, my travel and hotel and food per diem was covered and also got $1,500. Not bad basically to get kayoed

So I can imagine a guy like that certainly gets quite good payoffs and perks just for being an opponent. He's reliable, always ready to go, always in shape.

[Finkel]

I clicked on the link, and I was curious about the stories about the 6 wins he did get. Was there some sort of bar you had to pass to get your win?

A few of the guys he beat retired after.

The last guy he beat. I had a look at his record, and there was this guy:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/216597
Kristian Laight

Does he hold the record for most losses?
279!

[Paci]

I clicked on the link, and I was curious about the stories about the 6 wins he did get. Was there some sort of bar you had to pass to get your win?

A few of the guys he beat retired after.

The last guy he beat. I had a look at his record, and there was this guy:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/216597
Kristian Laight

Does he hold the record for most losses?
279!

I do give respect for having 300 fights. And he did beat out Strickland.

[Controversial]

Boxing for a living is a hard life and quite corrupt. Many journeyman have jobs outside of fighting. They take fights at the last minute, sometimes travelling miles straight from work and being the 'away' fighter against a prospect. It's not uncommon to hear of fighters paid to lose, if they upset the applecart they risk not being offered fights in the future. Then also factor in the hometown advantage and dodgy decisions so the 'prospect' can keep his unbeaten record !!

As someone else said they want a regular income so make sure they don't get stopped by fighting negatively so they can fight again the next week. These losing records can be quite deceiving, they are often not how they appear, look how Steve Robinsons career went once he dedicated everything to boxing.


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[dagilechia]

ladies and gentleman, please welcome the world's worst boxer Dmitrijs Avsijenkovs!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/537447

[Ilya Muromets]

I clicked on the link, and I was curious about the stories about the 6 wins he did get. Was there some sort of bar you had to pass to get your win?

A few of the guys he beat retired after.

The last guy he beat. I had a look at his record, and there was this guy:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/216597
Kristian Laight

Does he hold the record for most losses?
279!

Holy cow they were both doing the same gig and both trying to lose! Laight is the master though and he pulled it off! Ha ha ha!

[Ilya Muromets]

ladies and gentleman, please welcome the world's worst boxer Dmitrijs Avsijenkovs!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/537447

I used to see kids like that in the Golden Glove sub novice class, silly out of shape kids with no muscles who don't know what they're doing and don't belong in a boxing ring - but this silly kid is a pro with 29 fights! I guess he wants to earn a few bucks doing the jobber gig, but he gets hurt doing it - and doesn't look real either. If I was a boxing manager I wouldn't hire him to build up my man's records, even tho he only wants $10 and will sleep in the park...like that Tasmanian boxer, the alcoholic badly hurt Hobo Boxer, Proctor. I read his book. What became of him?

[Ilya Muromets]

I worked for an independent wrestling company in the early 2000s. Set up rings, handed out fliers, worked concessions, etc (paying my dues) so I could learn a little bit of the business.

A guy like that? Depends on who he's fighting. Better the opponent, better the pay. Depends also on the credentials of the debuter he may fight--- if it's some amateur champion making his debut he'd probably get $800+ for that match. If it's just some low level amateur making his debut, probably $400.

If he's fighting every week or every other week at $400, $600, $800 or even $1,200 a shot he's probably making anywhere between $1,200 a month or $4,800 a month if he's fighting every week.

Guys like him usually get their transportation, hotel, and food per diem covered by the promoter as well as the pay--- because his opponent is the one buying him as their opponent, because he's a guaranteed win for them.

When I boxed against J'Leon Love back in 2010, my travel and hotel and food per diem was covered and also got $1,500. Not bad basically to get kayoed

So I can imagine a guy like that certainly gets quite good payoffs and perks just for being an opponent. He's reliable, always ready to go, always in shape.

A whole sub group quietly dwelling unnoticed in the underbelly of boxing - jobbers, professional losers. Sometimes I see real boxers deliberately taking a dive - - that's the way to win bets - put your money on the other feller! - - but these guys do it professionally, trying to lose but make it look real, that's their job, just like "sports entertainment" wrasslin!

I bet you have some interesting stories to tell about the wrestling world. It's sort of a combo of athlete, actor, stuntman, and carny show. Let's see, I've done the athlete and acting gigs. I even tried out once for a stuntman. It was a western set and the guy told me to fall down dramatically when I got "shot", so I did and I flopped around too - and almost knocked down the fake walls and the whole set ha ha! The guy said I was dramatic all right but too clumsy . He probably hired some little feller who wouldn't break up the whole joint when he got "killed", OK, someone not so clumsy . Just as well. That gig is hard on the body. I was stupid to even go there. I already have enough athletic injuries (but not as bad as wrestlers!).

Did you want to be a pro wrestler? The only wrestling I ever did was when I was a little kid. I couldn't figure out how to get out from under when a fat kid sat on me. I was better at punching.

[dagilechia]

ladies and gentleman, please welcome the world's worst boxer Dmitrijs Avsijenkovs!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/537447

I used to see kids like that in the Golden Glove sub novice class, silly out of shape kids with no muscles who don't know what they're doing and don't belong in a boxing ring - but this silly kid is a pro with 29 fights! I guess he wants to earn a few bucks doing the jobber gig, but he gets hurt doing it - and doesn't look real either. If I was a boxing manager I wouldn't hire him to build up my man's records, even tho he only wants $10 and will sleep in the park...like that Tasmanian boxer, the alcoholic badly hurt Hobo Boxer, Proctor. I read his book. What became of him?

This kid must really love boxing lol

[greg]

..I just hope these guys earn enough to be able to pay their medical bills now and in the future...

[keirw]

ladies and gentleman, please welcome the world's worst boxer Dmitrijs Avsijenkovs!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/537447

At least guys like laight, Riyaz, Warburton etc.. Have the decency to lose to young prospects.
This guy loses to guys with losing records, by KO no less.

This is the kind of guy you might see a journeyman fight when he needs a win, kind of a journeyman's journeyman if you will.

[greg]

..he looks sort of like the first 20 boxers on Deontay Wilder's resume ..

[Ruthless-RKO]

I clicked on the link, and I was curious about the stories about the 6 wins he did get. Was there some sort of bar you had to pass to get your win?

A few of the guys he beat retired after.

The last guy he beat. I had a look at his record, and there was this guy:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/216597
Kristian Laight

Does he hold the record for most losses?
279!

His name was 'Mr Reliable'

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ibrar Riyaz has a record of 6-164 4 and of the 164 loses only3 by KO. This almost looks fake. wow

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/471637

Probably gets paid £1k per fight. £2k per month, probably has another job. Maybe boxes to keep fit, active.

[Controversial]

Probably gets paid £1k per fight. £2k per month, probably has another job. Maybe boxes to keep fit, active.

Yep, not every fighter wants to be a superstar or champ, some just love the sport and are happy to take part, earn a living and keep fit.

[Ilya Muromets]

..I just hope these guys earn enough to be able to pay their medical bills now and in the future...

They don't. Few boxers do. Boxing still has no medical coverage. Just spits them out on to the street when it's done with them, when they get hurt, even when they get dreadfully hurt like Mago or Boystsov, tho he wasn't hurt in the ring but surely it was ring related. You don't think about getting permanently hurt when you're young. You feel like you're invincible, more accustomed to little sprains that get better in a few days

[HomicideHenry]

Doesn't the commission pay the medical bills if you get injured?