That's awesome. I'm friends with Jerry Halstead and he told me some pretty good stories about the O'Grady's and guys like Monte Masters. I'll be waiting for those stories your dad has.JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 14:49 My dad had 11 fights in Oklahoma City for O'Grady in 1977-1978, but my grandfather and his partner also staged their own shows in Miami, Quapaw, and Bartlesville, OK. When I meet up with my dad, I'll ask him if he has any stories he wants to share about boxing for O'Grady.
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My dad has a few more comments after looking at McBride’s record. People basically came to his fights expecting to see him knock somebody out or get knocked out himself. Pretty much any time he fought a “name” boxer like Mathis or a fighter with any experience you could expect him to lose. He says Pat O’Grady most likely put him in with smaller guys like Knight to guarantee a knockout and probably put him in with a middleweight like Masterson because he needed a KO after a loss or something. (My dad knew both boxers because he later fought them himself, but at the appropriate weights.) He also has some recollection of him fighting Ned Hallacy. My dad knew all the Hallacy brothers and fought Mike several times as an amateur and pro. Ned was a good boxer and KO puncher who went on to become a ranked light heavyweight. Even though he was probably outweighed by 100 pounds, Hallacy’s superior skill got him a 1st round KO.HomicideHenry wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 14:52 That's awesome. I'm friends with Jerry Halstead and he told me some pretty good stories about the O'Grady's and guys like Monte Masters. I'll be waiting for those stories your dad has.![]()
As for memories of boxing for O’Grady, he always liked Pat personally and said he always had a joke or a long-winded story about the old days, but he was a cheapskate who didn’t pay his fighters well. Even when you fought the 10 round main event he paid peanuts. But O’Grady did tell him when he signed the contract, “As long as you’re fighting for me in Oklahoma City, you won’t make any money.” A lot of the opponents he supplied were journeymen from places like Texas or Nebraska. They usually didn’t have good records but they were at least experienced. Or he’d get matched with another local prospect. However, certain pet prospects would get matched with absolute stiffs to make them look even better. My dad is sure that worked on some spectators, but O’Grady became notorious for some of these opponents. My dad could always count on O’Grady having a fight lined up for him every 3-4 weeks, and he was happy to stay active. That’s about all I should post here. If you want to hear a couple of anecdotes, send me a PM
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I met with Tony "KO" Gardner years ago and he rolled his eyes when I mentioned McBride. He said Pat O' Grady drafted him to "work with him" in the hopes that some coaching/sparring might elevate McBride and that McBride, well over 150 pounds heavier, got too rough in a session and Gardner got mad and put him down and out for the day. His comment was "Well, how good could he have been if he got knocked out by a Junior Middleweight with big gloves on?" Touche, I suppose.
That being said, I would've probably bought a ticket to see him. Argued that there was enough documentation to add that rematch KO over BoBo Bash to his official record here too btw.
That being said, I would've probably bought a ticket to see him. Argued that there was enough documentation to add that rematch KO over BoBo Bash to his official record here too btw.
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Anyone can get lucky in the gym. Stories of kayos and schooling guys in training don't mean much to me. I knew a guy who was an 0-4-0 welterweight who was 1-9-0 last time I checked, who literally sparked out some heavyweight in the gym. Crap happens from time to time.
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Tony Gardner did have a reputation as a hard puncher though, especially for a junior middleweight. I'm not surprised he could put McBride down. Pretty much any "real" boxer could take him out.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that this particular Heavyweights chin is NOT gonna hold up well when matched with other even semi-decent HeavyweightsHomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 20:43 Anyone can get lucky in the gym. Stories of kayos and schooling guys in training don't mean much to me. I knew a guy who was an 0-4-0 welterweight who was 1-9-0 last time I checked, who literally sparked out some heavyweight in the gym. Crap happens from time to time.
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Tony wasn't bragging about his punch in this instance. He was rolling his eyes at having to train McBride as part of his getting the big promotional push from Pat O' Grady and showing disdain for McBride's fistic prowess.
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Of course not. My point is that two low level guys regardless of size, that the little guy has just as big a chance of winning as the big guy. The greater the skillset level rises the less likely the chances of the smaller man against a big man.gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 12:59I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that this particular Heavyweights chin is NOT gonna hold up well when matched with other even semi-decent HeavyweightsHomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 20:43 Anyone can get lucky in the gym. Stories of kayos and schooling guys in training don't mean much to me. I knew a guy who was an 0-4-0 welterweight who was 1-9-0 last time I checked, who literally sparked out some heavyweight in the gym. Crap happens from time to time.![]()