is record for real? How can this person still be boxing?

[Ilya Muromets]

Doesn't the commission pay the medical bills if you get injured?

Ha ha funny joke.

[HomicideHenry]

Well the promoter does pay a surety bond and insurance for the event. If I am not mistaken part of that money is in the case of a fighter getting injured. I may be wrong but I think that's how it works, after all they have to hire the ringside doctors and EMT ambulance.

[gilgamesh]

Tell that to Magomed.

[Ilya Muromets]

Well the promoter does pay a surety bond and insurance for the event. If I am not mistaken part of that money is in the case of a fighter getting injured. I may be wrong but I think that's how it works, after all they have to hire the ringside doctors and EMT ambulance.

The insurance is just to protect themselves. Ringside doctors are more like actors in the show. When Mago Abdusalomov got gravely injured they didn't even take him to the hospital in their on call ambulance. The ringside doctor gave him a piece of paper and said "exit in the rear you might want to see a doctor when you get back to Florida bye bye". They sent them out into NYC rush hour traffic in a totally strange city and Mago and his team didn't even speak English. They couldn't even hail a cab. Finally a man gave them the cab he had hailed. When they got to the hospital they made them wait on line whereas an ambulance would have gone straight to emergency. Meanwhile Mago had been throwing up and getting worse and worse.

His extended care had been paid for by his friends and family, but he finally won a large lawsuit four years after the fight. He also had a lawsuit against the ring doctor but it was dismissed by a NYC judge but that dismissal has just been reversed (see link below)

They don't do crap for boxers and Mago was a pretty big name. Imagine how much they'd care about one of those jobbers getting hurt. And later on when boxers can't continue due to age and injuries it's even worse. Of course this doesn't apply to the minute percentage of boxers who make the big bucks.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ing-doctor

[HomicideHenry]

Maybe that's just a bad incident with a crappy promoter. I know underhanded crap happens more than people think. I won't name the guy cus he's a friend of mine but he put on pro shows where everyone was wearing 12-14 ounce gloves instead of 8-10 ounce gloves, and he did this because (so he claimed) it cut down on injuries. Personally I think he did it because sparring gloves are cheaper than pro gloves.

[JohnMcMinn]

I've seen far worse records.

I'm a pretty big fan of journeymen like this. More so than champions and contenders. Guys like Bruce Strauss, Donnie Pendelton, Reggie Strickland, James Holly, Charles Atlas, etc.

I have respect for these guys too, but I wouldn't put Bruce Strauss in that company.

[Ilya Muromets]

And then there are the somewhat less skilled jobbers who don't really sell the fight that well...

[SenorPipino]

And then there are the somewhat less skilled jobbers who don't really sell the fight that well...

What's you talkin' 'bout?

That uppercut was vicious. Bad intentions. The breeze would KO anyone.

[Ilya Muromets]

And then there are the somewhat less skilled jobbers who don't really sell the fight that well...

What's you talkin' 'bout?

That uppercut was vicious. Bad intentions. The breeze would KO anyone.

It almost knocked me out and I'm just sitting at my keyboard far away!

[gilgamesh]

Maybe that's just a bad incident with a crappy promoter. I know underhanded crap happens more than people think. I won't name the guy cus he's a friend of mine but he put on pro shows where everyone was wearing 12-14 ounce gloves instead of 8-10 ounce gloves, and he did this because (so he claimed) it cut down on injuries. Personally I think he did it because sparring gloves are cheaper than pro gloves.

The Magomed case is certainly one of the more notable, but I mean it was an HBO televised Boxing match, and that happened.

So yeah imagine a guy with similar injuries to Mago just fighting at a small club show in Montana or something. He ain't getting the help he needs. You can almost guarantee it.

It's a scary sport sometimes for sure. Hell of a risk that fighters take.

I'm sure the biggest stars the sport has to offer have Top Medical advice, and would be given the best that money could buy if something bad were to happen, but I don't think that goes for 95% of the guys in the sport...and I might be being generous with that estimation.

[SenorPipino]

What's you talkin' 'bout?

That uppercut was vicious. Bad intentions. The breeze would KO anyone.

It almost knocked me out and I'm just sitting at my keyboard far away!

Actually, that uppercut was so poorly thrown and ridiculously off the mark, that I wonder if the 2 of them orchestrated the dive together.

Talk about phantom punch.

[Ilya Muromets]

Maybe that's just a bad incident with a crappy promoter. I know underhanded crap happens more than people think. I won't name the guy cus he's a friend of mine but he put on pro shows where everyone was wearing 12-14 ounce gloves instead of 8-10 ounce gloves, and he did this because (so he claimed) it cut down on injuries. Personally I think he did it because sparring gloves are cheaper than pro gloves.

The Magomed case is certainly one of the more notable, but I mean it was an HBO televised Boxing match, and that happened.

So yeah imagine a guy with similar injuries to Mago just fighting at a small club show in Montana or something. He ain't getting the help he needs. You can almost guarantee it.

It's a scary sport sometimes for sure. Hell of a risk that fighters take.

I'm sure the biggest stars the sport has to offer have Top Medical advice, and would be given the best that money could buy if something bad were to happen, but I don't think that goes for 95% of the guys in the sport...and I might be being generous with that estimation.

More like 99.999%. The Mago fight was a super high profile fight in the top big money venue, Mad. Sq. Garden, on tv, and Mago was the most exciting rising star in the heavyweight div., promoted by the Klitschkos, with boxing commissioner Melvina Latham sitting there on her fat ass,

All the permanently injured and dead guys in "fat city", you never even hear about them. I'd vote to abolish boxing except for the fact that the whole world is even phonier and more corrupt and more violent, to (I guess) paraphrase the wrestler Mick Foley who titled his book, The Real World Is Faker Than Wrestling.

[Ilya Muromets]

It almost knocked me out and I'm just sitting at my keyboard far away!

Actually, that uppercut was so poorly thrown and ridiculously off the mark, that I wonder if the 2 of them orchestrated the dive together.

Talk about phantom punch.

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

[gilgamesh]

Actually, that uppercut was so poorly thrown and ridiculously off the mark, that I wonder if the 2 of them orchestrated the dive together.

Talk about phantom punch.

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

I lasted more than 2 and a half minutes in my only fight. Hearing about guys like this makes me feel better about my paltry experience

[SenorPipino]

Actually, that uppercut was so poorly thrown and ridiculously off the mark, that I wonder if the 2 of them orchestrated the dive together.

Talk about phantom punch.

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

The wrestler who took a quick dive against ex NFL star Mark Gastineau some years back, looked far more convincing than this Capes character.

What became of Edwards? If he refined his uppercut to the point where it might actually land, he could have been lethal

[Ilya Muromets]

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

The wrestler who took a quick dive against ex NFL star Mark Gastineau some years back, looked far more convincing than this Capes character.

What became of Edwards? If he refined his uppercut to the point where it might actually land, he could have been lethal

He didn't go far and he quit boxing after his one and only loss in 2016.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/568947

[Ilya Muromets]

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

I lasted more than 2 and a half minutes in my only fight. Hearing about guys like this makes me feel better about my paltry experience

Good for you then! One, getting in the ring in the first place is the hardest and bravest thing to do; and two, so many people online take the opportunity of anonymity to lie and exaggerate, so again good for you for being honest!

Good for Nick Capes too. What's up with that, putting a little 5'9" fat guy with no muscles in against a 6'5" pro athlete who outweighed him by over 50 pounds? Cates did the right thing - plus he made for an excellent comedy video! No more jobber gigs though...

[greg]

That was former Minnesota Vikings player Ray Edwards throwing the incredibly devastating uppercut. The jobber was Nick Capes who unfortunately was not hired anymore after this show and wound up his career with a record of 0-4 all 1st round KO's. His greatest triumph was lasting more than 2 1/2 minutes in his previous fight before the 3 knockdown rule caught up with him.

I lasted more than 2 and a half minutes in my only fight. Hearing about guys like this makes me feel better about my paltry experience

at least you made it to the ring..not every top boxer can boast of that..

[SenorPipino]

The wrestler who took a quick dive against ex NFL star Mark Gastineau some years back, looked far more convincing than this Capes character.

What became of Edwards? If he refined his uppercut to the point where it might actually land, he could have been lethal

He didn't go far and he quit boxing after his one and only loss in 2016.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/568947

I see that Edwards went unbeaten for 5 years (just 12 bouts however) against D- level competition until he was knocked out in 2016.

He never fought again.

[HomicideHenry]

I will say that the "fakeness" of the business isn't so much in these journeymen you are cracking down on, but rather in the prospects.

Case in point, remember Faruq Saleem? Undefeated. Beat alot of stiffs. Somehow he was a top 10-15 guy despite never really beating anyone with a winning record. Anyways, he fights this guy who was like 4-5-0 as a pro and gets sparked out. Saleem never fought again.

Undefeated records, for me, ninety-nine out of a hundred automatically means this person is just waiting for a fall. There's something about them their own managers, trainers, handlers know that the rest of the world doesn't and that's why they're navigated safely to a high platform.

[Ilya Muromets]

I will say that the "fakeness" of the business isn't so much in these journeymen you are cracking down on, but rather in the prospects.

Case in point, remember Faruq Saleem? Undefeated. Beat alot of stiffs. Somehow he was a top 10-15 guy despite never really beating anyone with a winning record. Anyways, he fights this guy who was like 4-5-0 as a pro and gets sparked out. Saleem never fought again.

Undefeated records, for me, ninety-nine out of a hundred automatically means this person is just waiting for a fall. There's something about them their own managers, trainers, handlers know that the rest of the world doesn't and that's why they're navigated safely to a high platform.

Like this guy? He was 36-0 with 34 KO's and almost all of them in round one. To be honest I thought Andy Ruiz was similar.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/47041

[HomicideHenry]

I remember Rodriguez. Got alot of press in those "Upcoming Prospect" sections in RING and KO magazines. His unexpected loss to Darnell Wilson did put a big damper on his career. However, losing to basically a tough-nose journeyman or trialhorse is not as bad as losing to some complete unknown or bum.