top heavy at the moment

[dagilechia]

And Chisora lost to Helenius and FMJ-Canelo was arguably a draw. I don't care about the judges scorecards for obvious reason, if someone does - his choice.

Mayweather vs Canelo was a shutout. Not the least bit comparable to Wilder vs Fury.

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

[gilgamesh]

Mayweather vs Canelo was a shutout. Not the least bit comparable to Wilder vs Fury.

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

No, it was far off the mark. The fight wasn't remotely close at all. Fury vs Wilder wasn't the same. A draw was perfectly reasonable in that fight.

Canelo didn't win a round against Floyd.

[dagilechia]

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

No, it was far off the mark. The fight wasn't remotely close at all. Fury vs Wilder wasn't the same. A draw was perfectly reasonable in that fight.

Canelo didn't win a round against Floyd.

what i mean is: we should not automatically consider a result legit just because it's official. One of the judges had Wilder ahead even without the knockdowns, those cards were a joke, this specific card was no much better than the draw card in FMJ-Canelo.

I don't care about the cards anymore. I score fights by myself and i rank fighters in my personal rankings based on that. I don't understand people who say ''i think that Golovkin was better and won both fights against Canelo, but i will rank him below the Mexican because the official results say otherwise''. Rank it as you see it, especially if it's reasonable to have a different opinion than the official one.

[Onetimeonly]

Mayweather vs Canelo was a shutout. Not the least bit comparable to Wilder vs Fury.

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

[dagilechia]

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

[gilgamesh]

Mayweather vs Canelo was a shutout. Not the least bit comparable to Wilder vs Fury.

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

The two fights weren't comparable.

Wilder dropped Fury twice, and had his moments in other rounds. Canelo barely landed 1 solid punch all night. Not sure he even did land 1 to be honest. A good one that is.

[dagilechia]

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

The two fights weren't comparable.

Wilder dropped Fury twice, and had his moments in other rounds. Canelo barely landed 1 solid punch all night. Not sure he even did land 1 to be honest. A good one that is.

also, nobody believes that Wilder was winning without KD's. one of the official scorecards tells he was. This scorecard is as legit as the draw scorecard in FMJ-Canelo. What does that say about the judging in this fight? Very likely this stupid card changed the result of this fight, 8 or 9 out of 10 other judges would have Fury 114-112 or 115-111 (of course if they were fair).

[gilgamesh]

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

The two fights weren't comparable.

Wilder dropped Fury twice, and had his moments in other rounds. Canelo barely landed 1 solid punch all night. Not sure he even did land 1 to be honest. A good one that is.

also, nobody believes that Wilder was winning without KD's. one of the official scorecards tells he was. This scorecard is as legit as the draw scorecard in FMJ-Canelo. What does that say about the judging in this fight? Very likely this stupid card changed the result of this fight, 8 or 9 out of 10 other judges would have Fury 114-112 or 115-111 (of course if they were fair).

Ok

It's a draw though. A fair one. So get over it.

[dagilechia]

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[dagilechia]

and some people do think that Briedis beaten Usyk. i guess that 85% think that Fury won, i think he won too, i don't understand why do people even need the judges, like if they didn't have own eyes. some people think that Helenius defeated Chisora.

[ValMar]

and some people do think that Briedis beaten Usyk. i guess that 85% think that Fury won, i think he won too, i don't understand why do people even need the judges, like if they didn't have own eyes. some people think that Helenius defeated Chisora.

Usyk defeated Briedis. I have not any dilemma.
Fury vs. Wilder was very questionable, it was very difficult to judge this fight properly (Kovalev vs. Ward 1, and Whyte vs. Chisora 1, too).

[jamamb]

Funny really. Tyson Fury hasn't won a fight against any opponent worth a can o' beans in the last four years yet I don't necessarily disagree with the assertion that he's the top heavy.

I wasn't unhappy with the draw decision with Wilder. If Fury had walked away with the title when many referees wouldn't even have bothered to take up the count, well it just wouldn't have sat right with me. I've always said you can't sneak away with a champion's title you have to rip it away from him.

On the other hand as has been pointed out many times, fights are scored round by round, and I have to admit I was scoring almost every round to Fury where he managed to stay vertical throughout.

When you consider that before the fight, because of Fury's recent history, I thought he was a lamb going to slaughter. He sure showed me but I still think he was nowhere near his absolute peak, and you'd have to figure he'd be better in the re-match.

some say wilders elbow prevented him from throwing proper right hands the first time, and thats hes already improved his elbow and boxing brain for the redo

it could be wilder who improves more, maybe fury lost his drive he had to make it back

[ironbeard]

and some people do think that Briedis beaten Usyk. i guess that 85% think that Fury won, i think he won too, i don't understand why do people even need the judges, like if they didn't have own eyes. some people think that Helenius defeated Chisora.

Do you whine yourself to sleep every night?

[squiggy]

Yeah but one of the judges had it a draw. Then, should we agree that it was arguably a draw just because one of the official scorecards says so?

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

It's worth remembering that card, though, whenever the topic is Canelo, or even the state of boxing today. That opponent was Floyd freakin' Mayweather, the biggest cash cow in boxing history. Yet team Canelo still managed to wrangle one card that gifted him six rounds. And while that particular judge might have been a laughing stock (all the way to the bank), A. Byrd's subsequent card in Canelo-GGG I was even worse, gifting Canelo maybe even more than six rounds. I bet they threw quite a fit behind the scenes that Golovkin had even been allowed to walk away with a draw.
Which mostly just goes to say that "the official result was X" is a pretty lame argument.

[Finkel]

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

It's worth remembering that card, though, whenever the topic is Canelo, or even the state of boxing today. That opponent was Floyd freakin' Mayweather, the biggest cash cow in boxing history. Yet team Canelo still managed to wrangle one card that gifted him six rounds. And while that particular judge might have been a laughing stock (all the way to the bank), A. Byrd's subsequent card in Canelo-GGG I was even worse, gifting Canelo maybe even more than six rounds. I bet they threw quite a fit behind the scenes that Golovkin had even been allowed to walk away with a draw.
Which mostly just goes to say that "the official result was X" is a pretty lame argument.

[Duran1970]

and some people do think that Briedis beaten Usyk. i guess that 85% think that Fury won, i think he won too, i don't understand why do people even need the judges, like if they didn't have own eyes. some people think that Helenius defeated Chisora.

Usyk defeated Briedis. I have not any dilemma.
Fury vs. Wilder was very questionable, it was very difficult to judge this fight properly (Kovalev vs. Ward 1, and Whyte vs. Chisora 1, too).

Kovalev/ward 1 was not hard to score

[JohnReed]

I think that Andy Ruiz can really fight, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the top dog over the long haul. The dude covers up really well, and his time and counterpunching ability are excellent. To top it off, Ruiz can hit pretty hard, and he's got the aggressive tenacity of a bulldog. Let's not overlook his size and durability either.

It seems to me that Wilder has had some trouble with aggressive opponents who successfully carry the fight to him. He's showed flashes of weaknesses fighting off of his backfoot. That makes me think that Ruiz could surprise a lot of people and get the better of Wilder.

As for the AJ rematch, I honestly believe that Ruiz has already gotten him beat. I'd be surprised if AJ successfully comes back from that loss, because it wasn't some fluke punch that stopped him. AJ was hurt and outpunched early, then he was controlled -- practically dominated -- over the next few rounds before being finished off. That tells us that AJ must know what it feels like not to be able to use his boxing ability to keep Ruiz away, or to use his combination punching ability to puncture Andy's guard and turn the tide. So, AJ was beaten mentally and physically, over time too. That kind of loss, I think, breaks a top fighter's ego.

I remember the great welterweight upset from 1976, in which Carlos Palomino outpunched, outboxed, and thoroughly outfought John H. Stracey, a 3-1 favorite, en route to scoring a 12th round TKO in London. Stracey had an automatic rematch clause, but he didn't take it because he couldn't overcome the psychological effects of the thorough loss to Palomino. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense the that AJ is now in the same situation as Stracey.

Tyson Fury is probably the toughest fight out there for Ruiz, and likely the only guy who can beat him.

[Onetimeonly]

Wilder wouldn't have any trouble with Ruiz. Andy has nothing for him. Of course I thought he had nothing for aj either.

[candyslim]

Funny really. Tyson Fury hasn't won a fight against any opponent worth a can o' beans in the last four years yet I don't necessarily disagree with the assertion that he's the top heavy.

I wasn't unhappy with the draw decision with Wilder. If Fury had walked away with the title when many referees wouldn't even have bothered to take up the count, well it just wouldn't have sat right with me. I've always said you can't sneak away with a champion's title you have to rip it away from him.

On the other hand as has been pointed out many times, fights are scored round by round, and I have to admit I was scoring almost every round to Fury where he managed to stay vertical throughout.

When you consider that before the fight, because of Fury's recent history, I thought he was a lamb going to slaughter. He sure showed me but I still think he was nowhere near his absolute peak, and you'd have to figure he'd be better in the re-match.

some say wilders elbow prevented him from throwing proper right hands the first time, and thats hes already improved his elbow and boxing brain for the redo

it could be wilder who improves more, maybe fury lost his drive he had to make it back

Maybe they'll both be better in the rematch. I'm looking forward to it even more than I was before, now that AJ has been (at least temporarily) removed from the equation.

Of course he might, just might, be restored by then.

[ValMar]

Usyk defeated Briedis. I have not any dilemma.
Fury vs. Wilder was very questionable, it was very difficult to judge this fight properly (Kovalev vs. Ward 1, and Whyte vs. Chisora 1, too).

Kovalev/ward 1 was not hard to score

Yes, it was. I can not remember clearly, I think that I had 114-113, Kovalev, but who asks me........

[ironbeard]

Kovalev/ward 1 was not hard to score

Yes, it was. I can not remember clearly, I think that I had 114-113, Kovalev, but who asks me........

Good omnipotent figments of our imaginations, are we opening up that can of whine and tears again?

[jamamb]

Yes, it was. I can not remember clearly, I think that I had 114-113, Kovalev, but who asks me........

Good omnipotent figments of our imaginations, are we opening up that can of whine and tears again?

u know u want it

[tobyh5]

I guess because, in his opinion, Wilder lost to Fury. And i agree with him.

If Fury had stayed down one second longer, there would be no arguing Wilder is #1. So he has to be considered a candidate for #1 in a logical sense.

If my mum had bollocks, she'd be my dad.

Stupid fcking comment

[Onetimeonly]

If Fury had stayed down one second longer, there would be no arguing Wilder is #1. So he has to be considered a candidate for #1 in a logical sense.

If my mum had bollocks, she'd be my dad.

Stupid fcking comment

In response to a stupid comment. The dumbest comment here was without kds wilder would have definitely lost, duh. Fury fought great, he didn't win. Get over it.

[dagilechia]

If my mum had bollocks, she'd be my dad.

Stupid fcking comment

In response to a stupid comment. The dumbest comment here was without kds wilder would have definitely lost, duh. Fury fought great, he didn't win. Get over it.

he responded to my post. and i didn't said what you suggest i/someone did.