boxer fees and payouts

[tim99b]

if a small hall boxer sells 75 tickets at £40 each which would equal £3000 - how would the boxer pay the people- etc. do u pay for the journeyman than pay the promater or does the promater fee include the journeyman

[Coco]

if a small hall boxer sells 75 tickets at £40 each which would equal £3000 - how would the boxer pay the people- etc. do u pay for the journeyman than pay the promater or does the promater fee include the journeyman

He would do well to see a grand out of the 3

[leejonesjnr]

The boxer won’t pay anyone from the ticket money.
He sells his tickets, gives the money to the promoter and gets his wages after the fight.
The average low level boxer is expected to shift 100 tickets to get £1000-1200 for a 4 rounder.
Boxer then pays manager and trainer out of his wages.

[Coco]

The boxer won’t pay anyone.
He sells his tickets, gives the money to the promoter and gets his wages after the fight.
The average low level boxer is expected to shift 100 tickets to get £1000-1200 for a 4 rounder.

Depending on the boxer it depends, he will still have to pay his manager/trainer and maybe taxes.
If it is his manager putting on the show maybe he won't take anything..
On the other hand if he gets his grand, but might have to pay 25% to the manager, some have a trainer as well, so 10% more, then petrol, parking, bandages, you might see 600 quid, also if you haven't sold enough tickets you might be fighting for free

[bigped]

if a small hall boxer sells 75 tickets at £40 each which would equal £3000 - how would the boxer pay the people- etc. do u pay for the journeyman than pay the promater or does the promater fee include the journeyman

Yeah the majority of lads turning over now are on the ticket deal, so if he was to sell 75 tickets at £40 each that is £3000,
Let’s presume they are doing a 4 rounder , the journeyman will be £1200 and £500 expenses depending on where they are from. So £3000-1700 = £1300

The promoter would then split that with the boxer so £650 each .

Boxer would then pay his managers fee and trainers fees of the £650 usually 15 percent manager and 10 percent trainer . Leaving the boxer with around £400

That’s how I’ve seen it work
With a lot of boys recently you need to be a big name or a big ticket seller to make any sort of money

[spudder56]

if a small hall boxer sells 75 tickets at £40 each which would equal £3000 - how would the boxer pay the people- etc. do u pay for the journeyman than pay the promater or does the promater fee include the journeyman

Yeah the majority of lads turning over now are on the ticket deal, so if he was to sell 75 tickets at £40 each that is £3000,
Let’s presume they are doing a 4 rounder , the journeyman will be £1200 and £500 expenses depending on where they are from. So £3000-1700 = £1300

The promoter would then split that with the boxer so £650 each .

Boxer would then pay his managers fee and trainers fees of the £650 usually 15 percent manager and 10 percent trainer . Leaving the boxer with around £400

That’s how I’ve seen it work
With a lot of boys recently you need to be a big name or a big ticket seller to make any sort of money

Unless you are a huge ticket seller it’s financially better to go on the road as a journeyman I’ve seen and heard of cases where the home boxer has fought for nothing and in some cases has actually owed money to the promoter

[Boxingcutsman]

British journey men usually get between £1000-£1200 for a 4 rounder depending who their manger is and who your booking them to fight and if it’s a tv show etc, and about £1500 for 6 rounder again depending, foreign fighters cost about £1350 - £1500 for a 4 rounder and between £1800-£2100 for a 6 rounder again depending, the journey man will have to pay his trainer and manager there % as arranged between them, and the home fighter who is usually managed by the promoter putting the show on will not pay their management % but will still pay there 10% trainer fee which on a smal show and their money is nothing or £50-£60 and if they’ve employed a cutman separate out of their purse, the promoter usually needs the home fighter who’s on a ticket deal to sell at least 63-67 tickets to cover his bout for a 4 rounder and more tickets (75-80) if he wants to do a 6 rounder which is divided between the away fighters purse and costs towards show/promotion, I.e Dr’s, paramedics, referees, venue costs, printing/advertising costs, timekeeper/s, DJ, security, board tax, ring hire etc, anything and sales after that is then when the home fighter generates their purse, the divide and amount will be pre arranged on pre agreement with the promoter/manager, if you get a good ticket seller who sells 100 + tickets which is decent for a small hall shows fighter starting out they would usually take out the away fighters purse and costs and then split it 50/50 with the home fighter, it’s not uncommon and I’ve known it more times than not home fighters who struggle to sell tickets fight for free and some lucky to cover cost of their fights and walk away with £400, same as I’ve known so many trainers and mangers including myself not take anything from fighters, more times than we ever have, it’s a tough tough sport in so many ways, there are few exceptions where a big promoter just takes a liking to a fighter and will invest and buy them titles so to speak by manoeuvring them and getting them easier fights for vacant titles after offering current champions at that weight money to relinquish their belts as there beyond that level and moving on anyway so the fighter they’ve taken a shine too can fight for it, plus it keeps them titles with that promoter for their shows, but tbh them lucky breaks and lads like that are rare so the only way to make money if that’s what your innit for in this sport is for a boxer if he turns over with big amateur pedigree and lots of achievements with big promoter and backing or he can sell 100’s if not 1000’s of tickets like the odd few can or he goes on the road and is a very good journeyman, Peter Buckley, Kristian Laight, Johnny greaves, Sid razak, Qasim Hussain, (sorry if I forgot any) lads that are very clever, can mess about, break up a fighter rhythm, a real tough and ring savvy special fighter like the ones I’ve named who can keep out of harms way and look after them selves, and not get involved or let bravado and ego get in the way and end up cut or getting stopped, and as a trainer and manger it’s the same, you make money if you have plenty of journey men out working or you have a big name on your books

[Nightmare Roy]

hard work for the best part of fcuk all really, I’ve heard journey man can earn good money if they fight often, have to be very good though and avoid getting stopped or I think they get a 30 day ban so can’t work.

[Boxing Prospect]

Would be interested to compare the UK ticket deal with how they do things in other countries, if anyone knows

[JimStone]

It's not a sport at that level. Anyone who tells me the journeymen are generally trying to win is off their head or telling fibs. Journeymen only try to win if the ticket seller takes what they perceive as a liberty or the ticket seller has become a liability to the promoter...

[Muttley]

Would be interested to compare the UK ticket deal with how they do things in other countries, if anyone knows

Im going back a few years now but back then the young four and six round boxers were on less than $100 a round. I remember thinking it was a lot less than the uk boxers. there is even less money in the US small halls. As I say i'm going back a few years now so I can't see things are any better now.

[bripez]

It's not a sport at that level. Anyone who tells me the journeymen are generally trying to win is off their head or telling fibs. Journeymen only try to win if the ticket seller takes what they perceive as a liberty or the ticket seller has become a liability to the promoter...

When I have read of a journeyman getting a win against a prospect or whatever I have wondered if the promoter had tipped them the wink because he wants rid of them and needs an excuse

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's not a sport at that level. Anyone who tells me the journeymen are generally trying to win is off their head or telling fibs. Journeymen only try to win if the ticket seller takes what they perceive as a liberty or the ticket seller has become a liability to the promoter...

A journeyman, is happy to go 4 or 6 rounds, in defense mode and just get paid the £1k or whatever it is they have been promised. Then goes back to their normal full time job the following monday.

[lefthook82]

Wow. This is too hard for the average boxer

[spudder56]

Wow. This is too hard for the average boxer

Yeah tough old game but just the way it is and always will be mate

[bripez]

Wow. This is too hard for the average boxer

Yeah tough old game but just the way it is and always will be mate

It’s not always the way it was though, so hopefully it will change in the future.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Unless ur lucky and a promoter picks you up. Or you’re an Olympian maybe..