The only one who MIGHT be worth watching is Roney Hines.
Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
It's a bit sad when you lay it out like that Oggie.
Your right though. I doubt Conto has the dedication to get down to cruiser, nor the skills to be successful there.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
I somewhat disagree. Rock probably isn't world class, and has to get in better shape, but he's far from crap. I think Conto could turn out to be good. Top Rank signed a crap boxer out the AM's? Morrison/Sands are projects that still need work, but at least they display power so far. DiBella just signed Sands, so I can't picture him investing money in a HW who is an absolute bum. Time will tell what they all do. Not saying that any of them will be the #1 HW of the future, but I think all of them fair better than Franklin.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
I'm not even sure if any of them will ever be at Franklin's level. Just because you sign on with a promotional company doesn't mean you are very good or have a lot of promise. Go check on Roney Hines. He's years away but has real potential.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 16:36I somewhat disagree. Rock probably isn't world class, and has to get in better shape, but he's far from crap. I think Conto could turn out to be good. Top Rank signed a crap boxer out the AM's? Morrison/Sands are projects that still need work, but at least they display power so far. DiBella just signed Sands, so I can't picture him investing money in a HW who is an absolute bum. Time will tell what they all do. Not saying that any of them will be the #1 HW of the future, but I think all of them fair better than Franklin.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Sorry, but I'm throwing out a big yellow challenge flag here. A promotional company like Top Rank, and to some extent RocNation or DiBella, just aren't going to sign a guy they see no promise in. What would be the point?!? Especially Top Rank.oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 16:42I'm not even sure if any of them will ever be at Franklin's level. Just because you sign on with a promotional company doesn't mean you are very good or have a lot of promise. Go check on Roney Hines. He's years away but has real potential.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 16:36
I somewhat disagree. Rock probably isn't world class, and has to get in better shape, but he's far from crap. I think Conto could turn out to be good. Top Rank signed a crap boxer out the AM's? Morrison/Sands are projects that still need work, but at least they display power so far. DiBella just signed Sands, so I can't picture him investing money in a HW who is an absolute bum. Time will tell what they all do. Not saying that any of them will be the #1 HW of the future, but I think all of them fair better than Franklin.
Rock is already a better prospect than Franklin. At least he has beaten who has been put in front of him. Franklin should have lost to Forrest last night and struggled with Booker. We know who he is right now. As an Am's fighter, Rock had a better career than Franklin as well.
I'm not sure if you have actually seen Conto, but the kid is 6'4 at the 215 range. He's pretty lean, but you make it seem like he is to lazy to get to CW. Why should he struggle to lose pounds that aren't there to lose? Also, aside from the really low weight divisions, CW is a terrible division to try and move a US fighter. I know from first hand experience. Also as with Rock, Conto had a better AM's career than Franklin.
Morrison/Sands need work, but again, at least they seem to have power, which Franklin lacks.
I'm not all too familiar with Hines off hand, but will check him out.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
I only comment on fighters I've actually seen. I"m a huge prospect follower, especially at HW. I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin. They prove nothing as Franklin is crap. The best part of Conto is I like how he keeps his back foot on the bottom rope in the corner before the round starts. First noticed that in the ams. Rock is a fat undisciplined pig. Conto isn't built big and will have huge issues with your average sized HW. The Morrison brothers shouldn't even be in prospect talk. Sands is crap. The US HW landscape is top heavy at this time. Roney Hines is the only real prospect for me right now and again, he's years away. I like Ajagba; Makhmudov; and many others. Average fighters get signed to promotional contracts just like top tier.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:10Sorry, but I'm throwing out a big yellow challenge flag here. A promotional company like Top Rank, and to some extent RocNation or DiBella, just aren't going to sign a guy they see no promise in. What would be the point?!? Especially Top Rank.
Rock is already a better prospect than Franklin. At least he has beaten who has been put in front of him. Franklin should have lost to Forrest last night and struggled with Booker. We know who he is right now. As an Am's fighter, Rock had a better career than Franklin as well.
I'm not sure if you have actually seen Conto, but the kid is 6'4 at the 215 range. He's pretty lean, but you make it seem like he is to lazy to get to CW. Why should he struggle to lose pounds that aren't there to lose? Also, aside from the really low weight divisions, CW is a terrible division to try and move a US fighter. I know from first hand experience. Also as with Rock, Conto had a better AM's career than Franklin.
Morrison/Sands need work, but again, at least they seem to have power, which Franklin lacks.
I'm not all too familiar with Hines off hand, but will check him out.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Oh, and you can throw in Sirenko and Jalolov as some other interesting HW's to watch. I'm an American and I'm telling you we don't have HW prospects to talk about.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Yeah, but why do you think Conto is undisciplined to make CW, when in reality, he just probably can't drop the 15-20 pounds because it is simply not there? Why would he go to a division which is horrible for US fighters to be in?oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:19I only comment on fighters I've actually seen. I"m a huge prospect follower, especially at HW. I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin. They prove nothing as Franklin is crap. The best part of Conto is I like how he keeps his back foot on the bottom rope in the corner before the round starts. First noticed that in the ams. Rock is a fat undisciplined pig. Conto isn't built big and will have huge issues with your average sized HW. The Morrison brothers shouldn't even be in prospect talk. Sands is crap. The US HW landscape is top heavy at this time. Roney Hines is the only real prospect for me right now and again, he's years away. I like Ajagba; Makhmudov; and many others. Average fighters get signed to promotional contracts just like top tier.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:10
Sorry, but I'm throwing out a big yellow challenge flag here. A promotional company like Top Rank, and to some extent RocNation or DiBella, just aren't going to sign a guy they see no promise in. What would be the point?!? Especially Top Rank.
Rock is already a better prospect than Franklin. At least he has beaten who has been put in front of him. Franklin should have lost to Forrest last night and struggled with Booker. We know who he is right now. As an Am's fighter, Rock had a better career than Franklin as well.
I'm not sure if you have actually seen Conto, but the kid is 6'4 at the 215 range. He's pretty lean, but you make it seem like he is to lazy to get to CW. Why should he struggle to lose pounds that aren't there to lose? Also, aside from the really low weight divisions, CW is a terrible division to try and move a US fighter. I know from first hand experience. Also as with Rock, Conto had a better AM's career than Franklin.
Morrison/Sands need work, but again, at least they seem to have power, which Franklin lacks.
I'm not all too familiar with Hines off hand, but will check him out.
" I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin", well, I basically said that those 4 guys I think are better prospects than Franklin, and you debated on it.....so I guess you do? My whole point of my first post were those 4 guys have just as much potential, or more, than Franklin, so not sure why people hyped Franklin up. Rock/Conto will have better careers easily, to me. That's not saying they will be belt unifying champs, it's just saying what my first post was about. Franklin isn't the best US HW prospect and never was to me.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
I never said Conto undisciplined. I say he should try to go to CW. Rock is undisciplined. Regarding Franklin, I just don't see any of these guys making any noise, so comparing to Franklin doesn't prove it otherwise and I don't agree that any of them will be as good. It really doesn't matter though does it?armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:59Yeah, but why do you think Conto is undisciplined to make CW, when in reality, he just probably can't drop the 15-20 pounds because it is simply not there? Why would he go to a division which is horrible for US fighters to be in?oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:19
I only comment on fighters I've actually seen. I"m a huge prospect follower, especially at HW. I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin. They prove nothing as Franklin is crap. The best part of Conto is I like how he keeps his back foot on the bottom rope in the corner before the round starts. First noticed that in the ams. Rock is a fat undisciplined pig. Conto isn't built big and will have huge issues with your average sized HW. The Morrison brothers shouldn't even be in prospect talk. Sands is crap. The US HW landscape is top heavy at this time. Roney Hines is the only real prospect for me right now and again, he's years away. I like Ajagba; Makhmudov; and many others. Average fighters get signed to promotional contracts just like top tier.
" I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin", well, I basically said that those 4 guys I think are better prospects than Franklin, and you debated on it.....so I guess you do? My whole point of my first post were those 4 guys have just as much potential, or more, than Franklin, so not sure why people hyped Franklin up. Rock/Conto will have better careers easily, to me. That's not saying they will be belt unifying champs, it's just saying what my first post was about. Franklin isn't the best US HW prospect and never was to me.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
It matters to me damn it....it matters to me!!oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 20:05I never said Conto undisciplined. I say he should try to go to CW. Rock is undisciplined. Regarding Franklin, I just don't see any of these guys making any noise, so comparing to Franklin doesn't prove it otherwise and I don't agree that any of them will be as good. It really doesn't matter though does it?armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 19:59
Yeah, but why do you think Conto is undisciplined to make CW, when in reality, he just probably can't drop the 15-20 pounds because it is simply not there? Why would he go to a division which is horrible for US fighters to be in?
" I could give a shvt about any comps to Franklin", well, I basically said that those 4 guys I think are better prospects than Franklin, and you debated on it.....so I guess you do? My whole point of my first post were those 4 guys have just as much potential, or more, than Franklin, so not sure why people hyped Franklin up. Rock/Conto will have better careers easily, to me. That's not saying they will be belt unifying champs, it's just saying what my first post was about. Franklin isn't the best US HW prospect and never was to me.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
LOL! We'll find some decent prospects soon. Someone always emerges. (I hope).armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 20:20It matters to me damn it....it matters to me!!oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 20:05
I never said Conto undisciplined. I say he should try to go to CW. Rock is undisciplined. Regarding Franklin, I just don't see any of these guys making any noise, so comparing to Franklin doesn't prove it otherwise and I don't agree that any of them will be as good. It really doesn't matter though does it?
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
Honestly, I think it will be harder and harder as the years go on. For the usual build of the HW's, why box? With all the major money in other pro sports, these guys should just go there. Even if you don't make it to the pros, get a degree at a good college. Dealing with the shyt of boxing and getting punched in your head for a living, it isn't too appealing.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
I completely agree. I've been saying for years that we've lost our American HW's to pro sports. NBA power forwards. NFL Linebackers; etc.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 22:37Honestly, I think it will be harder and harder as the years go on. For the usual build of the HW's, why box? With all the major money in other pro sports, these guys should just go there. Even if you don't make it to the pros, get a degree at a good college. Dealing with the shyt of boxing and getting punched in your head for a living, it isn't too appealing.
Re: Jermaine Franklin vs. Jerry Forrest - July 12, 2019
We'll, Washington saved his career tonight. We still have him!oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 22:39I completely agree. I've been saying for years that we've lost our American HW's to pro sports. NBA power forwards. NFL Linebackers; etc.armageto wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 22:37
Honestly, I think it will be harder and harder as the years go on. For the usual build of the HW's, why box? With all the major money in other pro sports, these guys should just go there. Even if you don't make it to the pros, get a degree at a good college. Dealing with the shyt of boxing and getting punched in your head for a living, it isn't too appealing.
