morm wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 08:32
Less Hammer or the Reptile
i expected...
Herredia is overrated, no defense no chin
i dont see how he can survive 2-3 rounds
i think for Hrgovic he can learn anything only scores 9:0
We want see a War into the ring !
1 step closer....
You think that Herredia is overrated? No one is overrating him. He's just considered a journeyman.
Boxrec might recognize him as #1 in Mexico, but that means little considering how poorly Mexican heavyweight usually perform.
It's`just a routine fight. Hrgovic only has 8 pro bouts so this is the level you should expect him to be at.
And when he knocks out Herredia, promoters can trumpet that he destroyed a fighter who just beat Peter.
joshj909 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 14:44
He's seen the opportunity to add some easy Boxrec points. What else does he achieve? nothing.
Wow, no kidding. I see this as a major flaw in BoxRec's rating system.
Beating Sam Peter was the reason Heredia is #48....beating Sam Peter in April, when he hadn't defeated a significant fighter since 2010, should not be worth 38 points!!
The long stretches of inactivity and no-name wins should have depleted Peter's points a lot faster than it did.
Would not call it a step up but its certainly a decent fight in the scheme of things, his third best fight. You can't argue when top 20 boxers fight top 100 opponents, it rarely happens. Heredia is ranked 92 with PBO. Sam Peter fights Hughie Fury tomorrow, that's deemed acceptable by most.
joshj909 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 14:44
He's seen the opportunity to add some easy Boxrec points. What else does he achieve? nothing.
Wow, no kidding. I see this as a major flaw in BoxRec's rating system.
Beating Sam Peter was the reason Heredia is #48....beating Sam Peter in April, when he hadn't defeated a significant fighter since 2010, should not be worth 38 points!!
The long stretches of inactivity and no-name wins should have depleted Peter's points a lot faster than it did.
With the boxrec formula re-work, which I've repeatedly criticized, Sam Peter has essentially failed upward repeatedly. I'm pretty sure that he was not top 50 a year ago (and that was before he lost half of his rating to Heredia, who had nearly a 0 rating). I believe Efe Ajagba, Mladen Miljas, and Oleksandr Teslenko all used to be top 50. It currently favors fighters who, at some point in their life, fought someone established; rather than fighters who are undefeated and have a number of wins over journeymen and clubfighter types.
A major loophole in boxrec's formula, which Sam Peter has benefited from is that 1) if you lose to a significantly higher-rated opponent (i.e. Kubrat Pulev) then you lose few or no points and 2) the poor opposition penalty will not penalize you if you've lost to a better-rated opponent. Combining points 1 and 2, you could lose by KO 1 from now until age 100 without your rating ever dropping. It might be tricky to implement, but the poor opposition penalty should not give you a pass just because you got creamed in a mismatch that cost you no drop in rating.
You bastard. You had my 100% attention there. For as long as took from reading the thread title to the first post
It's going to be like this with Hrgovic though. If you're ranked above him why would you want to fight him? Unless Eddie works his magic it's not going to make your fortune, and the chances of you winning will be much improved by fighting someone else, almost anyone else
Wow, no kidding. I see this as a major flaw in BoxRec's rating system.
Beating Sam Peter was the reason Heredia is #48....beating Sam Peter in April, when he hadn't defeated a significant fighter since 2010, should not be worth 38 points!!
The long stretches of inactivity and no-name wins should have depleted Peter's points a lot faster than it did.
With the boxrec formula re-work, which I've repeatedly criticized, Sam Peter has essentially failed upward repeatedly. I'm pretty sure that he was not top 50 a year ago (and that was before he lost half of his rating to Heredia, who had nearly a 0 rating). I believe Efe Ajagba, Mladen Miljas, and Oleksandr Teslenko all used to be top 50. It currently favors fighters who, at some point in their life, fought someone established; rather than fighters who are undefeated and have a number of wins over journeymen and clubfighter types.
A major loophole in boxrec's formula, which Sam Peter has benefited from is that 1) if you lose to a significantly higher-rated opponent (i.e. Kubrat Pulev) then you lose few or no points and 2) the poor opposition penalty will not penalize you if you've lost to a better-rated opponent. Combining points 1 and 2, you could lose by KO 1 from now until age 100 without your rating ever dropping. It might be tricky to implement, but the poor opposition penalty should not give you a pass just because you got creamed in a mismatch that cost you no drop in rating.
There are a few guys ranked in the top 50 who have a skewed rank based on their historical victories because of this (not as much as Peter though). If a heavyweight wants a name to beat and climb the Boxrec rankings then they should have a look at Wach, Teper, Stiverne, Browne, Molina, Adamek and Hammer. If they are more confident in their skills then they could probably face the aging vets Huck or Takam but they could be trickier.
It looks like Dave Allen may be taking this approach, having beat Lucas Browne, now facing Price, and he has also mentioned targeting Hammer after that.
joshj909 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 12:42
There are a few guys ranked in the top 50 who have a skewed rank based on their historical victories because of this (not as much as Peter though). If a heavyweight wants a name to beat and climb the Boxrec rankings then they should have a look at Wach, Teper, Stiverne, Browne, Molina, Adamek and Hammer. If they are more confident in their skills then they could probably face the aging vets Huck or Takam but they could be trickier.
It looks like Dave Allen may be taking this approach, having beat Lucas Browne, now facing Price, and he has also mentioned targeting Hammer after that.
I agree with most of that, but Christian Hammer doesn't apply. He is only 31, still as prime as ever, and has beaten David Price, Erkan Teper, and Michael Wallisch in the past 3 years. That is not like Sam Peter, who is 38, whose only decent win in the past 11 years was Nagy Aguilera (holy sh*t!).
Lackeos wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 02:23Combining points 1 and 2, you could lose by KO 1 from now until age 100 without your rating ever dropping. It might be tricky to implement, but the poor opposition penalty should not give you a pass just because you got creamed in a mismatch that cost you no drop in rating.
I think the solution is to never stop time-off point declines except if you win. That way you aren't penalized for losing to Kubrat Pulev, but 2 years of inactivity, lose to Pulev, 2 more years of inactivity still registers as 4 years out of the game.
He should be fighting hunter or chisora. Kingpin Johnson and Mansour would dominate this guy.
When you are as good as hrgovic you dont need to mess around like this. Let him fight a trial horse like chisora or takam. Guys who try to win And give rounds but arent a threat to win if you are legit
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 15:00
total waste of time.
He should be fighting hunter or chisora. Kingpin Johnson and Mansour would dominate this guy.
When you are as good as hrgovic you dont need to mess around like this. Let him fight a trial horse like chisora or takam. Guys who try to win And give rounds but arent a threat to win if you are legit
I agree. Hrgovic needs to step up to a real defining fight at this point.
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 15:00
total waste of time.
He should be fighting hunter or chisora. Kingpin Johnson and Mansour would dominate this guy.
When you are as good as hrgovic you dont need to mess around like this. Let him fight a trial horse like chisora or takam. Guys who try to win And give rounds but arent a threat to win if you are legit
I agree. Hrgovic needs to step up to a real defining fight at this point.
Thats not the path that Wilder took, and look where he is now. Wilder took it real slow as should Hrgovic(maybe not that slow) this will be Hrgovic 9th fight no need to rush he is young as heavyweights go.. lots of time..
I agree. Hrgovic needs to step up to a real defining fight at this point.
Thats not the path that Wilder took, and look where he is now. Wilder took it real slow as should Hrgovic(maybe not that slow) this will be Hrgovic 9th fight no need to rush he is young as heavyweights go.. lots of time..
Wilder didn't have amateur experience that Hrgovic had.
That maybe true, they are both Olympic Bronze medalists, but I don't think Hrgovic needs to rush, just stay busy and the gradual progression will continue Hrgovic needs a lot of work, but he is a warrior, and has a very good engine(stamina) but needs to work on variety of punches he throws and increase punching power among other things..
