Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings

[KiwiRider]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

[oogiebe]

Not my top 15, but certainly change consideration for 16-25. This weekend should add some more clarity. It's great when we get so much activity in the HW division!

[jamamb]

washington would be a decent opponent for dub in the next year, maybe also now with the win wash could fight joyce. or does joe need to move faster then that

[oogiebe]

washington would be a decent opponent for dub in the next year, maybe also now with the win wash could fight joyce. or does joe need to move faster then that

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

[joshj909]

There will be some more this weekend. Roughly anticipate, Allen/Price jumping up to about 15th, Chisora/Spzilka up to about 12th, Rivas will jump up to the top 5 if he wins, then Ajagba/Demirezen winner will jump to the top 25 i think.

washington would be a decent opponent for dub in the next year, maybe also now with the win wash could fight joyce. or does joe need to move faster then that

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

Hopefully they throw Dubois in the European mix with Joyce and Kabayel, maybe add Hrgovic or another European prospect in there.

[oogiebe]

There will be some more this weekend. Roughly anticipate, Allen/Price jumping up to about 15th, Chisora/Spzilka up to about 12th, Rivas will jump up to the top 5 if he wins, then Ajagba/Demirezen winner will jump to the top 25 i think.

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

Hopefully they throw Dubois in the European mix with Joyce and Kabayel, maybe add Hrgovic or another European prospect in there.

Exciting stuff! Allen/Price winner is still UK level. Chisora/Spzilka fight winner will be interesting to watch for his next matchup. Rivas/Whyte winner should really get a title shot. Ajagba is still at least a year away, so even though he may get the BoxREc points, he's no where near knocking on the door. I like all the change on box rec, but most of these fights this past weekend didn't change my top 15/20 too much.

[KiwiRider]

I'm anticipating Allen to win his fight. If so, yes I can see him moving up a few places.
Out side of our forum and the UK, Allen is kinda under the radar as far as the general boxing population goes.
I think most people would look at his record, and the losses coming to a conclusion that does not reflect the reality of his experience compared to other guys in the top #8- #20.

[oogiebe]

I'm anticipating Allen to win his fight. If so, yes I can see him moving up a few places.
Out side of our forum and the UK, Allen is kinda under the radar as far as the general boxing population goes.
I think most people would look at his record, and the losses coming to a conclusion that does not reflect the reality of his experience compared to other guys in the top #8- #20.

I'm with you on Allen, but I can't see him having much success against the current BoxRec top 15. He needs a few more fights to see if he can improve his game.

[KiwiRider]

I'm anticipating Allen to win his fight. If so, yes I can see him moving up a few places.
Out side of our forum and the UK, Allen is kinda under the radar as far as the general boxing population goes.
I think most people would look at his record, and the losses coming to a conclusion that does not reflect the reality of his experience compared to other guys in the top #8- #20.

I'm with you on Allen, but I can't see him having much success against the current BoxRec top 15. He needs a few more fights to see if he can improve his game.

I'm a conservative realist Oggie.
Allen is never going to be a top #5 guy. But look at the guys in the top #30 on unbeaten records, and compare their opponents to who Allen has faced. Yes he has lost a lot, but I give him credit for taking risks in an era of supreme prospect protection.
His roll of wins will end soon after Price (or before) if he steps up into another level of HW. Granted.
But I respect his mettle in taking on guys he shouldn't ( like Ortiz or Yoka at late notice) and I also respect the noticeable improvement in his boxing and fitness.

[oogiebe]

I'm with you on Allen, but I can't see him having much success against the current BoxRec top 15. He needs a few more fights to see if he can improve his game.

I'm a conservative realist Oggie.
Allen is never going to be a top #5 guy. But look at the guys in the top #30 on unbeaten records, and compare their opponents to who Allen has faced. Yes he has lost a lot, but I give him credit for taking risks in an era of supreme prospect protection.
His roll of wins will end soon after Price (or before) if he steps up into another level of HW. Granted.
But I respect his mettle in taking on guys he shouldn't ( like Ortiz or Yoka at late notice) and I also respect the noticeable improvement in his boxing and fitness.

I can completely agree. I like Allen for what he is and what he's done. I'm a fan of many fighters who aren't great. Joey Dawjeko is another one. Soko too. I admire what they've accomplished when not blessed with raw talent and their fearless approach to boxing. But with Allen, I really think his new dedication warrants some hope that over his next several fights and camps, he can get better. He's tough; good chin; can hit.

[HomicideHenry]

All outside the top 15-25 imho.

[oogiebe]

All outside the top 15-25 imho.

no doubt. Just fighters I happen to like. A fighter doesn't have to be top tier for me to find something that makes me a fan.

[dagilechia]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

I think that beating Helenius (who i think is Wach/Ustinov level) after being smashed by Kownacki isn't enough, but it's a good win for someone like Washington, no doubt.
There is a thread for Joyce and Dubois but surprisingly most of the posters vote for no change.

[Ilya Muromets]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

[dagilechia]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

i think that the BoxRec ranking used to work better. then something changed some time ago. it's much worse now than it used to be imo. i am sure that they have changed something.

[Ilya Muromets]

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

i think that the BoxRec ranking used to work better. then something changed some time ago. it's much worse now than it used to be imo. i am sure that they have changed something.

Maybe so...

[KiwiRider]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

I know!
20 places surprised me and was the deciding factor in starting this thread- to garner other's opinions.

[Enlightened-One]

Do people really deem the BoxRec ratings as having any real value, since it’s based on flawed mathematical formulae that changes on an ongoing basis?

Back in April I listed about a dozen significant ratings anomalies regarding several fighters being rated far too highly, which was the polar opposite of the real-world perception of the same boxers.

[candyslim]

It is flawed but any rankings are going to be flawed. Instead of berating the changes to the formula I prefer to regard this as continually tweaking the formula in order to improve it.

I find the BoxRec rankings to be very useful but at the same time I regard them as a guide and don't take them as gospel.

[Onetimeonly]

The biggest problem with the ratings I have is removing anyone after a year of inactivity. The best thing is how deep it goes and I'd prefer a penalty as opposed to removal.

[keirw]

After a weekend of HW guys on the second and third tier some decent steps up in the boxrec rankings.

Washington moves up 20 places to #15
Dubois moves up 28 places to #27
Joyce moves up 10 places to #18

Does any of this impact our rankings?
Your thoughts?

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

I don't see Washington beating Helenius as a massive upset, both have lost to every decent fighte and they have faced in recent years.

Gorman is not a hype job, he just got his tactics wrong and stood and range when he should have looked to get inside. Dubois dominated and looked good doing it.

Joyce has never looked impressive but he keeps winning and is building a decent record. Let's not forget that Jennings is the biggest win on both Rivas' and Ortiz's records.

[J.Rotherhithe]

washington would be a decent opponent for dub in the next year, maybe also now with the win wash could fight joyce. or does joe need to move faster then that

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

Purse bid for Kabayel vs Joyce was set by the EBU this morning. At this moment in time, I don't think Joyce (or his team) would be interested in that, and it will be an extremely difficult evening for him.

[joshj909]

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

Purse bid for Kabayel vs Joyce was set by the EBU this morning. At this moment in time, I don't think Joyce (or his team) would be interested in that, and it will be an extremely difficult evening for him.

If he wants the title shot before he's too old, he should take it.

[Enlightened-One]

Dub will most likely go against a UK or European foe. Don't think Joyce would take that fight as he's looking at a title shot (at least in his plan). Your boy Kabayel would be interesting.

Purse bid for Kabayel vs Joyce was set by the EBU this morning. At this moment in time, I don't think Joyce (or his team) would be interested in that, and it will be an extremely difficult evening for him.

Joe Joyce is apparently looking to face WBA Heavyweight Champion Mahmoud Charr in his next outing.

[candyslim]

20 places! Holy cow that's a lot to move someone up who was totally totally destroyed in his previous fight even tho the KO last night was a huge upset.

Dubois 28 places!? Why? Gorman was just a hype job for last night's fight.

Joyce was unimpressive. He looks like he's fighting underwater.

I don't see Washington beating Helenius as a massive upset, both have lost to every decent fighte and they have faced in recent years.

Gorman is not a hype job, he just got his tactics wrong and stood and range when he should have looked to get inside. Dubois dominated and looked good doing it.

Joyce has never looked impressive but he keeps winning and is building a decent record. Let's not forget that Jennings is the biggest win on both Rivas' and Ortiz's records.

Well said keirw. I pretty much agree although I would say although Gorman isn't a hype-job, maybe he didn't implement the right tactics because DDD didn't allow him to.

What is the saying ... When you're up to your ass in alligators it can be difficult to remember you're supposed to be there to drain the swamp