BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba

[oogiebe]

To reiterate. No Changes.

[ewenhay]

Whyte moves up on my estimation of him. He fought smarter than in the past. But he can't move past AJ, no way.

His jab looked terrific today.

Time for Hughie Fury v Dillian Whyte

Shades of Ali v Shades of Larry

[Lennox]

Ajaba has no place in the world top 15 at the moment.

The ratings will go haywire now that fights outside the top 15 are counting.

[oogiebe]

Ajaba has no place in the world top 15 at the moment.

The ratings will go haywire now that fights outside the top 15 are counting.

100%. And it does him no good for being highly ranked at this time. He's clearly not ready yet for that level of comp.

[conan_the_cribber]

Anyone reading this and thinking of posting, please note a couple of things.

1) Only the fighters that just fought can be re-ranked
2) Several months ago a poll was done to rank the heavyweight fighters. Everyone gave their input back then and the averages were taken. You might think that Fighter x, deserves to be ranked, or that Fighter y doesn't deserve to be in there, but that opinion will only matter when either Fighter x or Fighter y has their next fight and can be re-ranked (see point 1).
3) Do not post your personal top 10, nor move other fighters up and down randomly because your vote/opinion won't count (see point "a" above).

That said.

Whyte stays at 5 (it kind of sux for him, because Rivas was decent, but his true status should be revealed after the Ruiz/Joshua rematch).

Rivas stays where he is at 11 (losing to Whyte is not bad, especially when you dropped Whyte. The other people around him with their 0s in tact will be fighting again soon, and if they succeed, then Riavas might slide. Till then he's treading water.)

Chisora rises to 12 (Szpilka is quite a good fighter, and taking him out early is a good sign. I think working with Haye has been very good for Chisora).

Aja unranked

[oogiebe]

Anyone reading this and thinking of posting, please note a couple of things.

1) Only the fighters that just fought can be re-ranked
2) Several months ago a poll was done to rank the heavyweight fighters. Everyone gave their input back then and the averages were taken. You might think that Fighter x, deserves to be ranked, or that Fighter y doesn't deserve to be in there, but that opinion will only matter when either Fighter x or Fighter y has their next fight and can be re-ranked (see point 1).
3) Do not post your personal top 10, nor move other fighters up and down randomly because your vote/opinion won't count (see point "a" above).

That said.

Whyte stays at 5 (it kind of sux for him, because Rivas was decent, but his true status should be revealed after the Ruiz/Joshua rematch).

Rivas stays where he is at 11 (losing to Whyte is not bad, especially when you dropped Whyte. The other people around him with their 0s in tact will be fighting again soon, and if they succeed, then Riavas might slide. Till then he's treading water.)

Chisora rises to 12 (Szpilka is quite a good fighter, and taking him out early is a good sign. I think working with Haye has been very good for Chisora).

You da' man!

[dagilechia]

Anyone reading this and thinking of posting, please note a couple of things.

1) Only the fighters that just fought can be re-ranked
2) Several months ago a poll was done to rank the heavyweight fighters. Everyone gave their input back then and the averages were taken. You might think that Fighter x, deserves to be ranked, or that Fighter y doesn't deserve to be in there, but that opinion will only matter when either Fighter x or Fighter y has their next fight and can be re-ranked (see point 1).
3) Do not post your personal top 10, nor move other fighters up and down randomly because your vote/opinion won't count (see point "a" above).

That said.

Whyte stays at 5 (it kind of sux for him, because Rivas was decent, but his true status should be revealed after the Ruiz/Joshua rematch).

Rivas stays where he is at 11 (losing to Whyte is not bad, especially when you dropped Whyte. The other people around him with their 0s in tact will be fighting again soon, and if they succeed, then Riavas might slide. Till then he's treading water.)

Chisora rises to 12 (Szpilka is quite a good fighter, and taking him out early is a good sign. I think working with Haye has been very good for Chisora).

and yeah, Szpilka is chinny and Chisora knocked him out early and with ease, but you could see that Chisora looked sharp and fast, i guess that his recent KO loss to Whyte didn't affected him.

[dagilechia]

Ajaba has no place in the world top 15 at the moment.

The ratings will go haywire now that fights outside the top 15 are counting.

we count some of the outside the top 15 fights because a lot of people wanted that, but those fighters will rarely make it to the top 15, Joyce and Dubois didn't, i guess that it will be same for Ajagba, probably only fighters like Usyk will get voted in this way

[Ilya Muromets]

I have no change.

Whyte beat Rivas. Whyte has nowhere to go in the rankings and Rivas doesn't fall because of losing a decision to the #5 Ranked guy

Chis over Spzilka: No movement. Artur is a shot fighter and beating him doesn't move Chis up in the rankings.

Efe over Ali: Neither is top 20 so no impact.

I concur with Professor Oogy Boogy.

[oogiebe]

I have no change.

Whyte beat Rivas. Whyte has nowhere to go in the rankings and Rivas doesn't fall because of losing a decision to the #5 Ranked guy

Chis over Spzilka: No movement. Artur is a shot fighter and beating him doesn't move Chis up in the rankings.

Efe over Ali: Neither is top 20 so no impact.

I concur with Professor Oogy Boogy.

I wish I could change my name...

[oogiebe]

His jab looked terrific today.

Time for Hughie Fury v Dillian Whyte

Shades of Ali v Shades of Larry

Whyte would take him apart.

[Ilya Muromets]

I concur with Professor Oogy Boogy.

I wish I could change my name...

Ask the mod. He'll let you. I did that.

[oogiebe]

I wish I could change my name...

Ask the mod. He'll let you. I did that.

WHat were you before?

[Finkel]

Whyte to 2
Chisora down to 14
Ajagba to 15

I agree with this

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Dereck Chisora's (#13) KO 2 win over Artur Szpilka (unranked, BoxRec's #25)?

My vote: Chisora to #11, Szpilka remains unrakned.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by Dillian Whyte's (#5) UD 12 win over Óscar Rivas (#11)?

My vote: Whyte remains at #5, Rivas to #10.

Question C: How are the rankings affected by Efe Ajagba's (unranked, BoxRec's #50) UD 10 win over Ali Eren Demirezen (unranked, BoxRec's #33)?

My vote: Both remain unranked.

Meaning, I intend the ranking to go:

10 Rivas
11. Chisora
12 Kownacki

I think both Chizz and Rivas fought better fights the other night than Kown ever has, so both should go over him for now.

I do think significant fights involving non-top 15 fighters should still be voted on. 15 is just an arbitrary number after all, and if a guy can go from #8 to #9 (for example) without actually fighting if someone 9-15 fights and wins, then I can't see why a guy can't go from #15 to a hypothetical #16 if someone in the hypothetical 16-20 (or so) range fights and wins. I probably would've put Joyce in above Breazeale had I been around last week to vote; Efe hasn't done quite enough yet though.

[sturm vogel]

By now it is plainly obvious that Whyte has earned and deserves a title shot.

[dagilechia]

hovewer, boxing is more of a business than sport so it doesn't matter at all.

[morm]

My new list top 15 hw are :
1. Tyson Fury
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Andy Ruiz Jr
4. Antony Joshua
5. Dillian Whyte
6.Luis Ortiz
7. Adam Kownacki
8. Kubrat Pulev
9. Filip Hrgovic
10. Joe Joyce
11. Daniel Dubois
12.Agit Kabayel
13. Efe Ajagba
14. Oscar Rivas
15.Evgeny Romanov

Parker, Povetkin, Chisora Out to many losses for me

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Question A: Chisora up 1 to 12. Szpilka isn't that great, but Hrgovic's level of opposition isn't any better, so far, so not enough to keep him above Del. Chisora's win isn't enough to lift him above Rivas though. He did give Whyte more to think about, across their two fights, but he did still end up getting knocked out.

Question B: No change. Whyte has nowhere to go, unfortunately, and Rivas did nothing to embarrass himself. No shame in losing a decision to Whyte, without having to resort to spoiling tactics. If Chisora had beaten anyone better than Szpilka, or if he'd managed to last the full 12 and lose a close decision against Whyte himself, then things might be different, but he didn't, so they're not. Whyte has cemented himself above Ortiz and Povetkin now though, if there were any doubts before.

Question C: Both remain unranked. As much as I'd like to drop Breazeale from the list, it's way too early for Ajagba, and others are ahead of him in the queue.

Some votes above are a little silly, I think.

[oogiebe]

Question A: Chisora up 1 to 12. Szpilka isn't that great, but Hrgovic's level of opposition isn't any better, so far, so not enough to keep him above Del. Chisora's win isn't enough to lift him above Rivas though. He did give Whyte more to think about, across their two fights, but he did still end up getting knocked out.

Question B: No change. Whyte has nowhere to go, unfortunately, and Rivas did nothing to embarrass himself. No shame in losing a decision to Whyte, without having to resort to spoiling tactics. If Chisora had beaten anyone better than Szpilka, or if he'd managed to last the full 12 and lose a close decision against Whyte himself, then things might be different, but he didn't, so they're not. Whyte has cemented himself above Ortiz and Povetkin now though, if there were any doubts before.

Question C: Both remain unranked. As much as I'd like to drop Breazeale from the list, it's way too early for Ajagba, and others are ahead of him in the queue.

Some votes above are a little silly, I think.

LOL! Just a little. Nice post.

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My new list top 15 hw are :
1. Tyson Fury
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Andy Ruiz Jr
4. Antony Joshua
5. Dillian Whyte
6.Luis Ortiz
7. Adam Kownacki
8. Kubrat Pulev
9. Filip Hrgovic
10. Joe Joyce
11. Daniel Dubois
12.Agit Kabayel
13. Efe Ajagba
14. Oscar Rivas
15.Evgeny Romanov

Parker, Povetkin, Chisora Out to many losses for me

Since when is getting beat by Joshua and Whyte, or Joshua and Wlad, bad enough to drop a fighter below complete rookies who've beaten absolutely nobody of note?

Does level of opposition not matter anymore?

[dagilechia]

This voting will last several days longer as i will have practically no time until the end of the month. I hope that there will be a lot of valid votes when i'll be back.

[dagilechia]

My new list top 15 hw are :
1. Tyson Fury
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Andy Ruiz Jr
4. Antony Joshua
5. Dillian Whyte
6.Luis Ortiz
7. Adam Kownacki
8. Kubrat Pulev
9. Filip Hrgovic
10. Joe Joyce
11. Daniel Dubois
12.Agit Kabayel
13. Efe Ajagba
14. Oscar Rivas
15.Evgeny Romanov

Parker, Povetkin, Chisora Out to many losses for me

Since when is getting beat by Joshua and Whyte, or Joshua and Wlad, bad enough to drop a fighter below complete rookies who've beaten absolutely nobody of note?

Does level of opposition not matter anymore?

some people clearly care about the 0 in record too much. unfortunately, some boxers do that too.

[margaret thatcher]

whyte no change - there is really simply no room to move him up even though it was a decent win. the guys above him simply have all done something to put a bit of a wall up between them and him breaking through to the top 4 at the moment

rivas to 12 - he did about as well vs whyte as his standing in the division would have it. i only move him down cus i think chis should trade places

chis to 11 - did better vs whyte then rivas did, plus more developed record. should easily be ahead of guys like hrg who done not much. im not really endoring a win over artur as meaning too much now, but with the combo of him adding another win, doing well vs whyte, and the other guys around him not doing a whole lot, it to me pushes him up just a bit

the efster -- still just out. getting close though. i really dont think hrg should be in the top 15 either. i see efe as actually having the better record and more potential

ali and artur obviously are still out

[dagilechia]

i didn't had Chisora in my top 15 year ago, but when he beat Takam, i started to rank him at #15 after long years of absence on my list. and despite the amount of losses he had. why? let's see:

-His only 100% clear losses were to Fury (x2), Vitaliy, Haye, Pulev, and recently, Whyte. so he lost to: very good unbeaten prospect (Fury I), HoFer who was still at least a top 3 fighter (Vitaliy), top 3 prime puncher (Haye), top prospect, already ranked in top 5 by most, who shortly later dethroned the undisputed #1 (Fury II), skilled jabber, ranked in top 5-10 (Pulev), and by a late KO vs a top 5-10 fighter while being up on the scorecards (Whyte). No shame in those losses really.

-He defeated Helenius without doubt, also, i had Chisora vs Kabayel 114-114, and Chisora vs Whyte I 115-113 Chisora. Let's not forget that Whyte is #5 for most, and even better for some.

-He knocked out Takam, who i had at #8 or #9 back then, he was an underdog but he won.

-Beating Szpilka in 2 is arguably better than what any current prospect did so far.

I am not a fan of Chisora but the fact is that he has better record, despite his both clear and controversial losses, than current prospects and he could beat a lot of them. (out of the top tier but green prospects (Hrgović, Joyce, Dubois, Ajagba) i would favour Hrgović to beat him, i would favour Ajagba too but it would be almost 50/50 in my eyes, especially after the Demirezen fight, Joyce vs Chisora would be 50/50 to me, but i would favour Dereck, I would clearly favour Chisora over Dubois).

Kabayel oficially won, but this fight was close as it gets, could easily go either way, since then, Agit defeated Rovcanin and Rudenko, Chisora lost after a war to Whyte, but he defeated Takam, Szpilka, Gashi, imo it's much better than what Kabayel did. If someone questions Chisora's place in the ranking, Kabayel should be questioned even more, despite the fact that he obviously has bigger future potential and that matters too.

Chisora's record looks ugly, but it could well be 34-6 instead, or 40-3 or so had he avoided the challenges he took, most of the fighters would have such a record if fought the level of opposition Chisora did. We shouldn't penalize fighters for taking the risk just because the numbers on their records look ugly, this is why i think that Chisora clearly deserves a spot in our ranking.