Ranking Manny Pacquiao's Best Wins
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Ranking Manny Pacquiao's Best Wins
I know he hasn't retired yet.. But his resume is amazing. The names on there and the wins..
Maybe stick to a top 10? Or if you really want top 20?
His wins include:
1998: Chatchai Sasakul (was behind on the cards)
2003: Marco Antonio Barrera (prime)
2006: Erik Morales II (prime)
2006: Erik Morales III
2007: Marco Antonio Barrera II
2008: Juan Manuel Marquez II (prime)
2008: Oscar De La Hoya
2009: Ricky Hatton
2009: Miguel Cotto (prime)
2010: Antonio Margarito
2011: Shane Mosley
2011: Juan Manuel Marquez III
2014: Timothy Bradley Jr II (prime)
2016: Timothy Bradley Jr III
2019: Adrien Broner
2019: Keith Thurman
You can add more if you want.. From earlier in his career.
Maybe stick to a top 10? Or if you really want top 20?
His wins include:
1998: Chatchai Sasakul (was behind on the cards)
2003: Marco Antonio Barrera (prime)
2006: Erik Morales II (prime)
2006: Erik Morales III
2007: Marco Antonio Barrera II
2008: Juan Manuel Marquez II (prime)
2008: Oscar De La Hoya
2009: Ricky Hatton
2009: Miguel Cotto (prime)
2010: Antonio Margarito
2011: Shane Mosley
2011: Juan Manuel Marquez III
2014: Timothy Bradley Jr II (prime)
2016: Timothy Bradley Jr III
2019: Adrien Broner
2019: Keith Thurman
You can add more if you want.. From earlier in his career.
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1. Oscar De La Hoya - this was the one that made him an absolute Legend in his own time. De La Hoya was too big, he was out of his mind to take this fight...and then he beats the ever loving sh*t out of him...amazing.
2. Marco Antonio Barrera - Prime Barrera, who was at the time #3 or so on most Pound for Pound lists, and one of Boxing's Premier stars. This was sorta a stay busy fight for Barrera, the young Pacquiao moving up from 122 was a spirited young fighter, but not in Barrera's class. Wrong. Other than an incorrectly called "knockdown" for Barrera in Round 1, it's all Pacquiao who beat Barrera from pillar to post for 11 grueling rounds. Probably the most savage one sided ass kicking of Barrera's career.
3. Keith Thurman - Yes, I think this is where this one belongs. At 40 years old. For the last few years he's been a superstar due to the Legacy he'd already built, but largely was considered past it, and no longer in his best form. Hadn't really had any major fights since Mayweather. Broner, and Matthysse...somewhat big, but not like this. This was a top guy, undefeated, in his prime, who had beaten a good deal of the other notable Contenders, and titleholders in his division (Danny G, and Porter). For most 40 year olds this is a bridge too far. For most 40 year olds who had begun their career as a 106 pounder this would be just flat out goddamn stupid to even attempt. Most people ain't Manny Pacquiao. Pac knocked down Thurman, and wins one of his most significant victories. Proving the naysayers wrong again. At 40. Truly incredible.
4. Miguel Cotto - This wasn't a faded De La Hoya. This was a prime Cotto. Surely a Prime Welterweight is too much for little Pacquiao right? No. He batters Cotto the entire fight, and stops him in one sided fashion.
5. Erik Morales 2 - As he was becoming a Superstar with the Barrera domination, and the 1st Marquez fight, he hits a stumbling block by losing the 1st fight to Erik Morales. Great fight, so he was forgiven for the loss by fans...especially when he was able to come back, and win by KO in the 2nd and 3rd fights. The 2nd fight being more significant as Morales still had a lot left, and gave a very sincere effort to repeat his performance in the 1st fight. Winning his share of the early rounds, but as the fight went on Manny battered him to defeat to avenge the earlier loss in spectacular fashion. The 3rd fight Morales seemed like a shell of himself, but as we know now still had a few more in him...but he was clearly in need of a rest.
6. Ricky Hatton - This one was no worse than 60/40. I'm not sure if Pac was the slight favorite or not, but Hatton certainly wasn't seen as a no hoper...but he was sure handled like one. Pac smashed him around, dropping him twice in Round 1, and sparking him in spectacular fashion in Round 2.
7. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - Controversy aside, this is his greatest rival, and IMO he did legitimately deserve the win here by 1 point. He scored the knockdown, and got the same amount of rounds in another fantastic fight. All of their fights were great, this one was no exception, and Manny won this one over the man who proved to be in the ring at least, more or less his equal.
8. Antonio Margarito - Certainly the one that softened Marg up thoroughly for Cotto to get his revenge a year latter. Margarito's eye, and the damage done to it as a result of this fight is quite infamous, and when you watch it the size differential between the two fighters is incredible. The fact that Pacquiao battered him so badly is definitely one of the highlight memories of Pac's career.
9. David Diaz - His lone appearance as a Lightweight fighter, and a scintillating one as he put on one of his most savage displays, absolutely battering Diaz, and adding Lightweight Champion to his resume.
10. Lehlo Ledwaba - Not one of the biggest names on his record, but this is the one that brought him to the attention of American promoters, and eventually led to him getting all the chances he got. It would still be a few years from here for him to start getting the notoriety, but this is the one that made people say "Who is this Pacquiao kid?". So it matters a lot to him for that reason.
That's a Top 10, and he still has: 2 wins over Tim Bradley, Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, Shane Mosley, A 2nd win over Barrera, Jessie Vargas, and Chatchai Sasakul where he won his 1st World title. Not even counting bogus decisions against him. (of which there were 2)
What a career
2. Marco Antonio Barrera - Prime Barrera, who was at the time #3 or so on most Pound for Pound lists, and one of Boxing's Premier stars. This was sorta a stay busy fight for Barrera, the young Pacquiao moving up from 122 was a spirited young fighter, but not in Barrera's class. Wrong. Other than an incorrectly called "knockdown" for Barrera in Round 1, it's all Pacquiao who beat Barrera from pillar to post for 11 grueling rounds. Probably the most savage one sided ass kicking of Barrera's career.
3. Keith Thurman - Yes, I think this is where this one belongs. At 40 years old. For the last few years he's been a superstar due to the Legacy he'd already built, but largely was considered past it, and no longer in his best form. Hadn't really had any major fights since Mayweather. Broner, and Matthysse...somewhat big, but not like this. This was a top guy, undefeated, in his prime, who had beaten a good deal of the other notable Contenders, and titleholders in his division (Danny G, and Porter). For most 40 year olds this is a bridge too far. For most 40 year olds who had begun their career as a 106 pounder this would be just flat out goddamn stupid to even attempt. Most people ain't Manny Pacquiao. Pac knocked down Thurman, and wins one of his most significant victories. Proving the naysayers wrong again. At 40. Truly incredible.
4. Miguel Cotto - This wasn't a faded De La Hoya. This was a prime Cotto. Surely a Prime Welterweight is too much for little Pacquiao right? No. He batters Cotto the entire fight, and stops him in one sided fashion.
5. Erik Morales 2 - As he was becoming a Superstar with the Barrera domination, and the 1st Marquez fight, he hits a stumbling block by losing the 1st fight to Erik Morales. Great fight, so he was forgiven for the loss by fans...especially when he was able to come back, and win by KO in the 2nd and 3rd fights. The 2nd fight being more significant as Morales still had a lot left, and gave a very sincere effort to repeat his performance in the 1st fight. Winning his share of the early rounds, but as the fight went on Manny battered him to defeat to avenge the earlier loss in spectacular fashion. The 3rd fight Morales seemed like a shell of himself, but as we know now still had a few more in him...but he was clearly in need of a rest.
6. Ricky Hatton - This one was no worse than 60/40. I'm not sure if Pac was the slight favorite or not, but Hatton certainly wasn't seen as a no hoper...but he was sure handled like one. Pac smashed him around, dropping him twice in Round 1, and sparking him in spectacular fashion in Round 2.
7. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - Controversy aside, this is his greatest rival, and IMO he did legitimately deserve the win here by 1 point. He scored the knockdown, and got the same amount of rounds in another fantastic fight. All of their fights were great, this one was no exception, and Manny won this one over the man who proved to be in the ring at least, more or less his equal.
8. Antonio Margarito - Certainly the one that softened Marg up thoroughly for Cotto to get his revenge a year latter. Margarito's eye, and the damage done to it as a result of this fight is quite infamous, and when you watch it the size differential between the two fighters is incredible. The fact that Pacquiao battered him so badly is definitely one of the highlight memories of Pac's career.
9. David Diaz - His lone appearance as a Lightweight fighter, and a scintillating one as he put on one of his most savage displays, absolutely battering Diaz, and adding Lightweight Champion to his resume.
10. Lehlo Ledwaba - Not one of the biggest names on his record, but this is the one that brought him to the attention of American promoters, and eventually led to him getting all the chances he got. It would still be a few years from here for him to start getting the notoriety, but this is the one that made people say "Who is this Pacquiao kid?". So it matters a lot to him for that reason.
That's a Top 10, and he still has: 2 wins over Tim Bradley, Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, Shane Mosley, A 2nd win over Barrera, Jessie Vargas, and Chatchai Sasakul where he won his 1st World title. Not even counting bogus decisions against him. (of which there were 2)
What a career
Re: Ranking Manny Pacquiao's Best Wins
1. Defeating prime, undefeated welter weight champion Keith Once Upon A Time Thurman, at nearly 41 years old, is the crown jewel of Manny’s career for me.
2. Barrera I
3. Morales II
4. Cotto
5. ODLH
6. All the rest.
2. Barrera I
3. Morales II
4. Cotto
5. ODLH
6. All the rest.
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Barrara and Morales wins have to be in top 5 IMO.
Thurman was a good win, as was Cotto.
Thurman gave it a good go. But many may say, Thurman, coming of his Garcia win, and no 2 year lay off, may have beaten Pac.
I wouldn't say Thurman was in the peak of his prime against Pac, but it's a good win.
Thurman was a good win, as was Cotto.
Thurman gave it a good go. But many may say, Thurman, coming of his Garcia win, and no 2 year lay off, may have beaten Pac.
I wouldn't say Thurman was in the peak of his prime against Pac, but it's a good win.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 13:26 Barrara and Morales wins have to be in top 5 IMO.
Thurman was a good win, as was Cotto.
Thurman gave it a good go. But many may say, Thurman, coming of his Garcia win, and no 2 year lay off, may have beaten Pac.
I wouldn't say Thurman was in the peak of his prime against Pac, but it's a good win.
Once Upon A Time was the undefeated belt holder. He had defeated all comers including Porter and Danny.
Sure, Thurman may have benefited from one more tuneup, but he and his team felt he was more than ready for the 40+ Manny. I agree with them.
They lost by one perfect punch.
This was Manny’s crown jewel.
FMJ never gave Once Upon A Time a shot. He was too busy rematching Maidana. Manny has given Thurman’s career a significant boost (even in defeat).
This was supposed to be Manny’s ODLH passing the torch to FMJ moment. Not quite folks. Manny saved his very best for last.
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The 40 year old waited out the undefeated young World Champion huh?Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 13:26 Barrara and Morales wins have to be in top 5 IMO.
Thurman was a good win, as was Cotto.
Thurman gave it a good go. But many may say, Thurman, coming of his Garcia win, and no 2 year lay off, may have beaten Pac.
I wouldn't say Thurman was in the peak of his prime against Pac, but it's a good win.
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Just saying. It's all a Who knows? or What if..
But regardless, Thurman was still a good win.
Not like Pac fought Spence, that wouldn't have been a ard fight to make, but he chose to fight Thurman.
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I can agree with this with 2 differences. 1: Drained De la hoya at last fight of his career defintely is not Manny top win IMO.gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 13:01 1. Oscar De La Hoya - this was the one that made him an absolute Legend in his own time. De La Hoya was too big, he was out of his mind to take this fight...and then he beats the ever loving sh*t out of him...amazing.
2. Marco Antonio Barrera - Prime Barrera, who was at the time #3 or so on most Pound for Pound lists, and one of Boxing's Premier stars. This was sorta a stay busy fight for Barrera, the young Pacquiao moving up from 122 was a spirited young fighter, but not in Barrera's class. Wrong. Other than an incorrectly called "knockdown" for Barrera in Round 1, it's all Pacquiao who beat Barrera from pillar to post for 11 grueling rounds. Probably the most savage one sided ass kicking of Barrera's career.
3. Keith Thurman - Yes, I think this is where this one belongs. At 40 years old. For the last few years he's been a superstar due to the Legacy he'd already built, but largely was considered past it, and no longer in his best form. Hadn't really had any major fights since Mayweather. Broner, and Matthysse...somewhat big, but not like this. This was a top guy, undefeated, in his prime, who had beaten a good deal of the other notable Contenders, and titleholders in his division (Danny G, and Porter). For most 40 year olds this is a bridge too far. For most 40 year olds who had begun their career as a 106 pounder this would be just flat out goddamn stupid to even attempt. Most people ain't Manny Pacquiao. Pac knocked down Thurman, and wins one of his most significant victories. Proving the naysayers wrong again. At 40. Truly incredible.
4. Miguel Cotto - This wasn't a faded De La Hoya. This was a prime Cotto. Surely a Prime Welterweight is too much for little Pacquiao right? No. He batters Cotto the entire fight, and stops him in one sided fashion.
5. Erik Morales 2 - As he was becoming a Superstar with the Barrera domination, and the 1st Marquez fight, he hits a stumbling block by losing the 1st fight to Erik Morales. Great fight, so he was forgiven for the loss by fans...especially when he was able to come back, and win by KO in the 2nd and 3rd fights. The 2nd fight being more significant as Morales still had a lot left, and gave a very sincere effort to repeat his performance in the 1st fight. Winning his share of the early rounds, but as the fight went on Manny battered him to defeat to avenge the earlier loss in spectacular fashion. The 3rd fight Morales seemed like a shell of himself, but as we know now still had a few more in him...but he was clearly in need of a rest.
6. Ricky Hatton - This one was no worse than 60/40. I'm not sure if Pac was the slight favorite or not, but Hatton certainly wasn't seen as a no hoper...but he was sure handled like one. Pac smashed him around, dropping him twice in Round 1, and sparking him in spectacular fashion in Round 2.
7. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - Controversy aside, this is his greatest rival, and IMO he did legitimately deserve the win here by 1 point. He scored the knockdown, and got the same amount of rounds in another fantastic fight. All of their fights were great, this one was no exception, and Manny won this one over the man who proved to be in the ring at least, more or less his equal.
8. Antonio Margarito - Certainly the one that softened Marg up thoroughly for Cotto to get his revenge a year latter. Margarito's eye, and the damage done to it as a result of this fight is quite infamous, and when you watch it the size differential between the two fighters is incredible. The fact that Pacquiao battered him so badly is definitely one of the highlight memories of Pac's career.
9. David Diaz - His lone appearance as a Lightweight fighter, and a scintillating one as he put on one of his most savage displays, absolutely battering Diaz, and adding Lightweight Champion to his resume.
10. Lehlo Ledwaba - Not one of the biggest names on his record, but this is the one that brought him to the attention of American promoters, and eventually led to him getting all the chances he got. It would still be a few years from here for him to start getting the notoriety, but this is the one that made people say "Who is this Pacquiao kid?". So it matters a lot to him for that reason.
That's a Top 10, and he still has: 2 wins over Tim Bradley, Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, Shane Mosley, A 2nd win over Barrera, Jessie Vargas, and Chatchai Sasakul where he won his 1st World title. Not even counting bogus decisions against him. (of which there were 2)
What a career
2: I would put Joshua Clottey in that list. Manny made him look like a punching bag that night.
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Barrera is #1 for sure. Barrera was in prime, he was a monster back then. And Pac just dominated him.
Morales is #2. He also was in prime and it was a revenge win, those are valuable.
Marquez is #3. He also was credible then, he was the toughest Pac's opponent, those fights were spectacular.
Thurman is #4. Beating an undefeated reigning champion at 40 is freakish.
Hatton is #5. He still was among the top fighters and he was just smashed.
Morales is #2. He also was in prime and it was a revenge win, those are valuable.
Marquez is #3. He also was credible then, he was the toughest Pac's opponent, those fights were spectacular.
Thurman is #4. Beating an undefeated reigning champion at 40 is freakish.
Hatton is #5. He still was among the top fighters and he was just smashed.
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I would go with Barrera. Dominating performance that at the time wasn't expected against a great fighter
While the Morales wins are great, not sure how he could be considered "prime" in 2006 when Morales had lost his previous fight to Zahir Raheem and would lose his next two. He was an old 29 and IMO, his first Manny Pac fight had taken a lot more out of him than it did Manny.
While the Morales wins are great, not sure how he could be considered "prime" in 2006 when Morales had lost his previous fight to Zahir Raheem and would lose his next two. He was an old 29 and IMO, his first Manny Pac fight had taken a lot more out of him than it did Manny.
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Morales 2, I also think that's when he started juicing to the gils.
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Marquez Barerra and Morales
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Good list, but strongly disagree with DLH, theres a huge asterix for this, DLH hadnt made 147 in a decade, and was part his prime and obviously totally dead at the weight.gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 13:01 1. Oscar De La Hoya - this was the one that made him an absolute Legend in his own time. De La Hoya was too big, he was out of his mind to take this fight...and then he beats the ever loving sh*t out of him...amazing.
2. Marco Antonio Barrera - Prime Barrera, who was at the time #3 or so on most Pound for Pound lists, and one of Boxing's Premier stars. This was sorta a stay busy fight for Barrera, the young Pacquiao moving up from 122 was a spirited young fighter, but not in Barrera's class. Wrong. Other than an incorrectly called "knockdown" for Barrera in Round 1, it's all Pacquiao who beat Barrera from pillar to post for 11 grueling rounds. Probably the most savage one sided ass kicking of Barrera's career.
3. Keith Thurman - Yes, I think this is where this one belongs. At 40 years old. For the last few years he's been a superstar due to the Legacy he'd already built, but largely was considered past it, and no longer in his best form. Hadn't really had any major fights since Mayweather. Broner, and Matthysse...somewhat big, but not like this. This was a top guy, undefeated, in his prime, who had beaten a good deal of the other notable Contenders, and titleholders in his division (Danny G, and Porter). For most 40 year olds this is a bridge too far. For most 40 year olds who had begun their career as a 106 pounder this would be just flat out goddamn stupid to even attempt. Most people ain't Manny Pacquiao. Pac knocked down Thurman, and wins one of his most significant victories. Proving the naysayers wrong again. At 40. Truly incredible.
4. Miguel Cotto - This wasn't a faded De La Hoya. This was a prime Cotto. Surely a Prime Welterweight is too much for little Pacquiao right? No. He batters Cotto the entire fight, and stops him in one sided fashion.
5. Erik Morales 2 - As he was becoming a Superstar with the Barrera domination, and the 1st Marquez fight, he hits a stumbling block by losing the 1st fight to Erik Morales. Great fight, so he was forgiven for the loss by fans...especially when he was able to come back, and win by KO in the 2nd and 3rd fights. The 2nd fight being more significant as Morales still had a lot left, and gave a very sincere effort to repeat his performance in the 1st fight. Winning his share of the early rounds, but as the fight went on Manny battered him to defeat to avenge the earlier loss in spectacular fashion. The 3rd fight Morales seemed like a shell of himself, but as we know now still had a few more in him...but he was clearly in need of a rest.
6. Ricky Hatton - This one was no worse than 60/40. I'm not sure if Pac was the slight favorite or not, but Hatton certainly wasn't seen as a no hoper...but he was sure handled like one. Pac smashed him around, dropping him twice in Round 1, and sparking him in spectacular fashion in Round 2.
7. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - Controversy aside, this is his greatest rival, and IMO he did legitimately deserve the win here by 1 point. He scored the knockdown, and got the same amount of rounds in another fantastic fight. All of their fights were great, this one was no exception, and Manny won this one over the man who proved to be in the ring at least, more or less his equal.
8. Antonio Margarito - Certainly the one that softened Marg up thoroughly for Cotto to get his revenge a year latter. Margarito's eye, and the damage done to it as a result of this fight is quite infamous, and when you watch it the size differential between the two fighters is incredible. The fact that Pacquiao battered him so badly is definitely one of the highlight memories of Pac's career.
9. David Diaz - His lone appearance as a Lightweight fighter, and a scintillating one as he put on one of his most savage displays, absolutely battering Diaz, and adding Lightweight Champion to his resume.
10. Lehlo Ledwaba - Not one of the biggest names on his record, but this is the one that brought him to the attention of American promoters, and eventually led to him getting all the chances he got. It would still be a few years from here for him to start getting the notoriety, but this is the one that made people say "Who is this Pacquiao kid?". So it matters a lot to him for that reason.
That's a Top 10, and he still has: 2 wins over Tim Bradley, Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, Shane Mosley, A 2nd win over Barrera, Jessie Vargas, and Chatchai Sasakul where he won his 1st World title. Not even counting bogus decisions against him. (of which there were 2)
What a career
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Everyone looks at De La Hoya in hindsight though. It's easy to say "Oh De La Hoya was drained, he was too old, he was this, he was that" in hindsight.
Going into the fight. He was too big for Pacquiao. It was stupid of Pacquiao to do this, and he was gonna get KO'd by the much bigger man.
This was the prevailing thought from almost everybody. So that's what he beat that night.
I don't think it's fair to change the script after the fact. If it was improbable that a guy should beat someone before the fight, he deserves that same credit and recognition after he does it.
Boxing fans always try to act like they saw it coming after it happens. I remember how I felt BEFORE the fight.
Going into the fight. He was too big for Pacquiao. It was stupid of Pacquiao to do this, and he was gonna get KO'd by the much bigger man.
This was the prevailing thought from almost everybody. So that's what he beat that night.
I don't think it's fair to change the script after the fact. If it was improbable that a guy should beat someone before the fight, he deserves that same credit and recognition after he does it.
Boxing fans always try to act like they saw it coming after it happens. I remember how I felt BEFORE the fight.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 13:35 Everyone looks at De La Hoya in hindsight though. It's easy to say "Oh De La Hoya was drained, he was too old, he was this, he was that" in hindsight.
Going into the fight. He was too big for Pacquiao. It was stupid of Pacquiao to do this, and he was gonna get KO'd by the much bigger man.
This was the prevailing thought from almost everybody. So that's what he beat that night.
I don't think it's fair to change the script after the fact. If it was improbable that a guy should beat someone before the fight, he deserves that same credit and recognition after he does it.
Boxing fans always try to act like they saw it coming after it happens. I remember how I felt BEFORE the fight.
Revisionist history. No was talking about how long since DLH fought at 147 until after the fight. And no one mentiones:
1. He fought Forbes at 150 5 months prior
2. He planned to rematch Floyd at 147 and most people claimed he'd be faster at the weight.