ped failures dont mean much?

[margaret thatcher]

well, at least, looking at the outcomes for those whose failed , i wonder myself. ppl are quick to say whytes f@cked but is that really what history says?

look at these guys. in most cases, they really carried on without much difference to there career. even fury with all that time out now has his stock maybe as high as ever, at least financially

fury (got a title shot and making his best money ever)
pov (went on to get another title shot)
ortiz (going on his second title shot after 2 failures)
hughie (got a title shot)
stiverne (got a title shot)
brown (got a biggish uk fights vs whyte and allen)
thompson (got fight vs contenders like ortiz and scott, fought solis again too)
wach (after failing still got fights with povetkin, miller, big pole fight vs szpilka , teper etc)

and so on

will things even be that bad at all for dyl '2x' whyte?

[oogiebe]

well, at least, looking at the outcomes for those whose failed , i wonder myself. ppl are quick to say whytes f@cked but is that really what history says?

look at these guys. in most cases, they really carried on without much difference to there career. even fury with all that time out now has his stock maybe as high as ever, at least financially

fury (got a title shot and making his best money ever)
pov (went on to get another title shot)
ortiz (going on his second title shot after 2 failures)
hughie (got a title shot)
stiverne (got a title shot)
brown (got a biggish uk fights vs whyte and allen)
thompson (got fight vs contenders like ortiz and scott, fought solis again too)
wach (after failing still got fights with povetkin, miller, big pole fight vs szpilka , teper etc)

and so on

will things even be that bad at all for dyl '2x' whyte?

Those are examples of boxing's failures. The Sweet Science took it on the chin with all this bad stuff: Two Ring Deaths; The Gloves; the PED's. Terrible.

[Boxing Prospect]

well, at least, looking at the outcomes for those whose failed , i wonder myself.

look at these guys. in most cases, they really carried on without much difference to there career. even fury with all that time out now has his stock maybe as high as ever, at least financially

fury (got a title shot and making his best money ever)
pov (went on to get another title shot)
ortiz (going on his second title shot after 2 failures)
hughie (got a title shot)
stiverne (got a title shot)
brown (got a biggish uk fights vs whyte and allen)
thompson (got fight vs contenders like ortiz and scott, fought solis again too)
wach (after failing still got fights with povetkin, miller, big pole fight vs szpilka , teper etc)

and so on

will things even be that bad at all for dyl '2x' whyte?

Galahad landed an IBF world title fight
Miller landed the Joshua fight (then ruined it by pissing even hotter)
Rios (headlined a Matchroom Mexico card)


Still at least we can laugh at big Larry , since popping hotter than Miller he has gone 1-16...with the only win being a DQ when his foe hit him on the break https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/469438

[gilgamesh]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's. Fight cancellations is worse than people being on PED's to me.

I hate when people ACT outraged, but then turn right around and are excited to see these guys return.

If it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter, and stop pretending it does.

[oogiebe]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's. Fight cancellations is worse than people being on PED's to me.

I hate when people ACT outraged, but then turn right around and are excited to see these guys return.

If it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter, and stop pretending it does.

Frankly I'm not outraged at Whyte. I'm outraged at Hearn and Matchroom for not informing Rivas' team.

[gilgamesh]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's. Fight cancellations is worse than people being on PED's to me.

I hate when people ACT outraged, but then turn right around and are excited to see these guys return.

If it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter, and stop pretending it does.

Frankly I'm not outraged at Whyte. I'm outraged at Hearn and Matchroom for not informing Rivas' team.

I'd be kinda happy about it if I were Rivas. Happy because I'd be about to sue that f*cker for a sh*t load of money, and he was still highly competitive and gave a good account of himself in the fight so even if the result is not overturned, if it's seen as he did that well against a PED infused Whyte, then it still looks pretty good for him.

[oogiebe]

Frankly I'm not outraged at Whyte. I'm outraged at Hearn and Matchroom for not informing Rivas' team.

I'd be kinda happy about it if I were Rivas. Happy because I'd be about to sue that f*cker for a sh*t load of money.

Exactly.

[greg]

.. have zero respect for all of them clowns above..

[dagilechia]

Who cares, its a business, not sport.

Btw testing in UK is a joke, Szpilka demanded VADA tsting before fighting Chisora, Hearn and Haye agreed on that but he was not tested even once, so i suppose that Chisora wasn't too

[candyslim]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's. Fight cancellations is worse than people being on PED's to me.

I hate when people ACT outraged, but then turn right around and are excited to see these guys return.

If it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter, and stop pretending it does.

That's a sentiment I agree with wholeheartedly

I'm one of the worst: I feel these guys ought to be punished but I'd be extremely saddened for purely selfish reasons if say Miller had been banned for life by the boxing authorities world-wide. I'm a little (only a little) ashamed to say I look forward to seeing him back in the ring along with many other miscreants.

I just really hate seeing great fights scrapped because some dope has failed a dope test and I pine for the days of my youth when drugs in sport wasn't (recognized as being) an issue.

Am I something of a hypocrite when it comes to my ambivalence toward pugilistic cheats? I guess I'd be a bigger one if I denied it

[Enlightened-One]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's.

Wouldn’t this potentially result in wealthy (and usually established) fighters having an unfair advantage over their less affluent rivals, because the competitive element of the sport would be reduced to who employs the “best” scientists capable of conjuring the most effective performance enhancing potions?

And whenever a fighter delivers a spectacular performance inside the ring, their remarkable feat would be undermined by fans assuming that it was only made possible due to them having consumed PED’s beforehand.

[dagilechia]

Or just allow fighters to decide. I mean - if Whyte vs Miller want to fight without tests and they put this in contract, it's okay. If Ruiz vs Kownacki want to be tested before the fight, they put this clause in the contract and they'll be tested. If Ruiz wants to fight Joshua with tests and Joshua doesn't agree, the fight is off.

If 2 fighters agree in contract to be tested but they fail, the punishment will be as in the contract, if they agree in th contract that the fine in this case would be 10.000.000$, he must pay.

[greg]

I can‘t think of any scenario where I‘d advocate the usage of drugs in sport...

[gilgamesh]

Like I said. Either penalize it severely, or if it's not a big deal. Just allow it. I personally don't care if everybody is on PED's.

Wouldn’t this potentially result in wealthy (and usually established) fighters having an unfair advantage over their less affluent rivals, because the competitive element of the sport would be reduced to who employs the “best” scientists capable of conjuring the most effective performance enhancing potions?

And whenever a fighter delivers a spectacular performance inside the ring, their remarkable feat would be undermined by fans assuming that it was only made possible due to them having consumed PED’s beforehand.

Until someone fails a test I never see anybody bring up or give a sh*t about the possibility of somebody being on something.

[Enlightened-One]

Wouldn’t this potentially result in wealthy (and usually established) fighters having an unfair advantage over their less affluent rivals, because the competitive element of the sport would be reduced to who employs the “best” scientists capable of conjuring the most effective performance enhancing potions?

And whenever a fighter delivers a spectacular performance inside the ring, their remarkable feat would be undermined by fans assuming that it was only made possible due to them having consumed PED’s beforehand.

Until someone fails a test I never see anybody bring up or give a sh*t about the possibility of somebody being on something.

I’m not so sure about that.

Whenever Manny Pacquiao refrains from undergoing standard VADA testing (as in, being tested for his entire training camp, not just during the final few weeks) for his fights and then subsequently defies expectations, by delivering a spectacular performance against a tough opponent, this adds credibility to the inevitable speculative rumblings about the Filipino consuming PED’s.

[gilgamesh]

I guess.

I fall into the "Innocent until Proven Guilty" camp. Whether he was or wasn't on something, I don't personally give a sh*t, and I'm not just gonna always assume it every time somebody has a good win. Where's the magic in that? Nobody's talented, it's all just drugs.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm not just gonna always assume it every time somebody has a good win. Where's the magic in that? Nobody's talented, it's all just drugs.

Fair enough, but the final sentence in your post mirrors my reasoning against fighters being allowed to consume PED's.

[DrDuke]

Everyone is on PEDs among top level athletes. Those catching affairs are caused by the politics of the sports. For example, I'm sure, that Whyte got caught right now, because he has finally became an inargual WBC mandatory. And the minority wants him to be KOed by Wilder. The majority wants the competetive Wilder-Fury II, this is far more profitable bout for everyone, except only Whyte. Call it a conspiracy theory, I don't care, I believe, that's the truth.

[gilgamesh]

I'm not just gonna always assume it every time somebody has a good win. Where's the magic in that? Nobody's talented, it's all just drugs.

Fair enough, but the final sentence in your post mirrors my reasoning against fighters being allowed to consume PED's.

If it weren't made an issue people wouldn't give it much thought.

[Boxing Prospect]

PED failures mean there's a chance Matchroom will sign you... Welcome to the team Hughie Fury!

[oogiebe]

PED failures mean there's a chance Matchroom will sign you... Welcome to the team Hughie Fury!

LMFAO! Hilarious! And sad.

[ewenhay]

I can‘t think of any scenario where I‘d advocate the usage of drugs in sport...

Me neither. Its time for boxing to take a zero tolerance stance.

But it won't happen

[oogiebe]

I can‘t think of any scenario where I‘d advocate the usage of drugs in sport...

Me neither. Its time for boxing to take a zero tolerance stance.

But it won't happen

Until there is a centralized global organization, there won't be.

[ewenhay]

Where have all the posters gone? Has there been an exodus to another site?

[margaret thatcher]

like who