Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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I think the hand speed of Mosley would of been a factor but then tito's left hook would be the equaliser.

I would say the Mosley that beat De La Hoya first beats the Trinidad that beat De La Hoya.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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Neither of them ever fought at 140. At least not during their title run. Tito may have fought there briefly when he was a novice pro.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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gilgamesh wrote: 22 Jul 2019, 12:58 Neither of them ever fought at 140. At least not during their title run. Tito may have fought there briefly when he was a novice pro.
Shane Mosley moved up to face De La Hoya at 147,he was IBF 140 champ from 97 till he moved up but ill admit i made a clanger as i did mean 147 lol
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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Shane Mosley at Lightweight was incredibly quick of hand and foot and seemed to coast through the division, at 147 it was always going to be a challenge as it would for anyone as it's historically been a talent rich weight class.
Once he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Welterweight, Mosley was considered a bit of a bad ass and sat at a high spot in the pound for pound rankings.
Then Vernon Forrest threw a spanner in the works by defeating Shane with back to back UD wins,not exactly an upset in light of the fact that Forrest was known as a very capable all round boxer, however it took some shine off of Mosley.
Shortly thereafter Shane moves up to 154 and beats De La Hoya in the rematch and he's the talk of the town again, but in Mosley's next two bouts Winky Wright repeated what Vernon Forrest had previously done and beat Mosley twice by decision.
The defeats didn't seem to bother Shane much mentally, he didn't have problems getting himself up for fights, following those defeats Mosley stopped Fernando Vargas back to back and lost to Miguel Cotto in a very close contest when Cotto was red hot.
I think those were the times Shane Mosley was priming and most if it was done at 140, 147 and 154.

Tito was blowing a lot of people away at Welterweight but no major names until he beat Pernell and there's no way that was even remotely close to a prime Whitaker, Felix edged Oscar De La Hoya in a fight I thought Oscar won.
That said Trinidad was a very exciting boxer to watch and could punch, he was known as being a little chinny and had visited the canvas on more than one ocassion.
In one of the most memorable nights in American boxing history Felix fought Bernard Hopkins in NYC shortly after 911, I don't think I'll ever forget it.
Great fight in a highly charged atmosphere which BHOP won, Tito had to move up to 160 against a fully fledged highly respected Middleweight and perhaps even one of the greatest fighters in the last 50 years, but he did so and was never afraid of the challenge.
Trinidad was a more effective boxer at Welterweight and did some of his best stuff there, he was a fan favourite and had the personality to go with it.

Close call to pick a winner between the two of them, likely would have gone the distance and maybe even a split decision.
I'll lean toward Shane Mosley but it's by no means for sure, it really could have gone either way and a nice problem for a boxing fan to solve.
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Evander wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 21:36 Shane Mosley at Lightweight was incredibly quick of hand and foot and seemed to coast through the division, at 147 it was always going to be a challenge as it would for anyone as it's historically been a talent rich weight class.
Once he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Welterweight, Mosley was considered a bit of a bad ass and sat at a high spot in the pound for pound rankings.
Then Vernon Forrest threw a spanner in the works by defeating Shane with back to back UD wins,not exactly an upset in light of the fact that Forrest was known as a very capable all round boxer, however it took some shine off of Mosley.
Shortly thereafter Shane moves up to 154 and beats De La Hoya in the rematch and he's the talk of the town again, but in Mosley's next two bouts Winky Wright repeated what Vernon Forrest had previously done and beat Mosley twice by decision.
The defeats didn't seem to bother Shane much mentally, he didn't have problems getting himself up for fights, following those defeats Mosley stopped Fernando Vargas back to back and lost to Miguel Cotto in a very close contest when Cotto was red hot.
I think those were the times Shane Mosley was priming and most if it was done at 140, 147 and 154.

Tito was blowing a lot of people away at Welterweight but no major names until he beat Pernell and there's no way that was even remotely close to a prime Whitaker, Felix edged Oscar De La Hoya in a fight I thought Oscar won.
That said Trinidad was a very exciting boxer to watch and could punch, he was known as being a little chinny and had visited the canvas on more than one ocassion.
In one of the most memorable nights in American boxing history Felix fought Bernard Hopkins in NYC shortly after 911, I don't think I'll ever forget it.
Great fight in a highly charged atmosphere which BHOP won, Tito had to move up to 160 against a fully fledged highly respected Middleweight and perhaps even one of the greatest fighters in the last 50 years, but he did so and was never afraid of the challenge.
Trinidad was a more effective boxer at Welterweight and did some of his best stuff there, he was a fan favourite and had the personality to go with it.

Close call to pick a winner between the two of them, likely would have gone the distance and maybe even a split decision.
I'll lean toward Shane Mosley but it's by no means for sure, it really could have gone either way and a nice problem for a boxing fan to solve.
I agree with you evander,mosley was lightning fast against de la hoya 1 and oscar couldn't handle the speed,even though that was a SD win for mosley i thought de la hoy won the rematch and it was closer than a UD. I also thought Oscar won the Tito fight. In a fight between mosley and tito i think mosley would of been to fast for tito and would of been in and out and as long as he avoided Tito's trademark left hook he would of won a clear decision imo.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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thechump wrote: 24 Jul 2019, 08:12
Evander wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 21:36 Shane Mosley at Lightweight was incredibly quick of hand and foot and seemed to coast through the division, at 147 it was always going to be a challenge as it would for anyone as it's historically been a talent rich weight class.
Once he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Welterweight, Mosley was considered a bit of a bad ass and sat at a high spot in the pound for pound rankings.
Then Vernon Forrest threw a spanner in the works by defeating Shane with back to back UD wins,not exactly an upset in light of the fact that Forrest was known as a very capable all round boxer, however it took some shine off of Mosley.
Shortly thereafter Shane moves up to 154 and beats De La Hoya in the rematch and he's the talk of the town again, but in Mosley's next two bouts Winky Wright repeated what Vernon Forrest had previously done and beat Mosley twice by decision.
The defeats didn't seem to bother Shane much mentally, he didn't have problems getting himself up for fights, following those defeats Mosley stopped Fernando Vargas back to back and lost to Miguel Cotto in a very close contest when Cotto was red hot.
I think those were the times Shane Mosley was priming and most if it was done at 140, 147 and 154.

Tito was blowing a lot of people away at Welterweight but no major names until he beat Pernell and there's no way that was even remotely close to a prime Whitaker, Felix edged Oscar De La Hoya in a fight I thought Oscar won.
That said Trinidad was a very exciting boxer to watch and could punch, he was known as being a little chinny and had visited the canvas on more than one ocassion.
In one of the most memorable nights in American boxing history Felix fought Bernard Hopkins in NYC shortly after 911, I don't think I'll ever forget it.
Great fight in a highly charged atmosphere which BHOP won, Tito had to move up to 160 against a fully fledged highly respected Middleweight and perhaps even one of the greatest fighters in the last 50 years, but he did so and was never afraid of the challenge.
Trinidad was a more effective boxer at Welterweight and did some of his best stuff there, he was a fan favourite and had the personality to go with it.

Close call to pick a winner between the two of them, likely would have gone the distance and maybe even a split decision.
I'll lean toward Shane Mosley but it's by no means for sure, it really could have gone either way and a nice problem for a boxing fan to solve.
I agree with you evander,mosley was lightning fast against de la hoya 1 and oscar couldn't handle the speed,even though that was a SD win for mosley i thought de la hoy won the rematch and it was closer than a UD. I also thought Oscar won the Tito fight. In a fight between mosley and tito i think mosley would of been to fast for tito and would of been in and out and as long as he avoided Tito's trademark left hook he would of won a clear decision imo.
Now you mention it the rematch was close and could have gone to Oscar, wasn't that the fight when Mosley looked surprised he'd got the nod ?

Touched on it earlier, there was quite a significant level of difference in the chin department between the Tito and Shane.
Can't accuse Mosley of not having whiskers, he was beard solid.
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Evander wrote: 25 Jul 2019, 21:22
thechump wrote: 24 Jul 2019, 08:12

I agree with you evander,mosley was lightning fast against de la hoya 1 and oscar couldn't handle the speed,even though that was a SD win for mosley i thought de la hoy won the rematch and it was closer than a UD. I also thought Oscar won the Tito fight. In a fight between mosley and tito i think mosley would of been to fast for tito and would of been in and out and as long as he avoided Tito's trademark left hook he would of won a clear decision imo.
Now you mention it the rematch was close and could have gone to Oscar, wasn't that the fight when Mosley looked surprised he'd got the nod ?

Touched on it earlier, there was quite a significant level of difference in the chin department between the Tito and Shane.
Can't accuse Mosley of not having whiskers, he was beard solid.
Yes that was the fight that shane looked shocked and oscar looked so deflated and even said something along the lines of what does he have to do to get a decision. Shane had a solid chin think he only ever went down twice vernon forest 1 and manny pacquiao and he fought some solid fighter canelo cotto wright twice de la hoya twice margarito etc etc.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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I think Mosley would've been a pretty rough style matchup for Tito. He had a great chin so he likely is able to stand up to Tito's shots, and he outboxes him most rounds IMO. He could drop TIto himself for that matter, Mosley wasn't exactly Paulie Malignaggi in there, he had some pop in his own right.

I like Mosley by UD.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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thechump wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 17:43
gilgamesh wrote: 22 Jul 2019, 12:58 Neither of them ever fought at 140. At least not during their title run. Tito may have fought there briefly when he was a novice pro.
Shane Mosley moved up to face De La Hoya at 147,he was IBF 140 champ from 97 till he moved up but ill admit i made a clanger as i did mean 147 lol
Mosley went from 135 straight to 147. He didn't win a world title at 140 at all.. It was the IBF Lightweight he had numerous defences.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Jul 2019, 11:27
thechump wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 17:43

Shane Mosley moved up to face De La Hoya at 147,he was IBF 140 champ from 97 till he moved up but ill admit i made a clanger as i did mean 147 lol
Mosley went from 135 straight to 147. He didn't win a world title at 140 at all.. It was the IBF Lightweight he had numerous defences.
Oh your right,my mistake lol that makes his win against ODLH more impressive to me moving up nearly a stone in weight and beating a top 3 p4p at that time was brilliant. I always thought he was 140 and moved upto 147 lol
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Stylistically you have to favor Shane but I can't help but think he'd get lured into a war and Tito edged him on points.
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Re: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley @ 140

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Mosley Sd.
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Trinidad never fought at 140.

At 147 for me Mosley by close decision.
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