Can Andy Ruiz Jr refuse to rematch AJ in UK and what would be the concenquences?

[apollo creed]

“It’s the contractual obligations for Andy Ruiz that he has to fight a rematch,” said Hearn to Fighthub. “He was given the opportunity to fight or a world title out of nowhere. We picked him off of a list. So have the respect to honor what you agreed, which he will, by the way. I have absolutely no doubt he will. Andy Ruiz is a good guy. He’s a stand up guy. He’s an honorable man, but he does have people in his ear, saying, ‘Don’t, blah-blah-blah.’ But again, everybody that signed the contract is aware of their obligations. I do believe the fight will take place on December 14th in Cardiff. We’ll have to see if this is finalized, but it’ll be finalized very soon,” said Hearn.

“Anthony Joshua knows he has to adapt,” said Hearn. “We don’t know in that fight [Ruiz Jr.] was it the strategy? Was it the mindset? Was it confidence? All those different things. Was he taking too long? It was probably a mix of everything, really. He’s a different animal in this fight. I know that just talking to him. He [Joshua] wasn’t up for the first fight. Everybody was saying to him, ‘When you beat this guy, when are you going to fight [Deontay] Wilder?’ ‘I’ve got to take care of Ruiz.’ So he puts him [Ruiz] down. He gets back up. Andy Ruiz gets hit with a right hand when he gets up that would have shook most trees. So, Ruiz has got a great chin, but Ruiz gambled.He took a chance, and he deserves credit for that. He won.
He was the better man on the night. Nothing surprises me in boxing. I never ruled out Anthony Joshua losing. He’s learning. He’s not the finished article. I know Andy Ruiz is a good fighter. That’s why we took the fight. He [Joshua] wanted a real fight. He wanted to give the fans a real fight. Unfortunately, we should have taken an easy fight, but we’re going to win the rematch,” said Hearn.

“I don’t want to disrespect Andy Ruiz or talk about the contract situations, but he knows the contractual situation, and we’ll let his team know where that’ll take place. I do think it’ll take place in the UK, and I do think it’ll take place on December 14th. But we’ll confirm that to his team in the next few days,”[/i] said Hearn. from BN24

Imo as Ruiz is the champ and he won fair and square the first fight, he should be the one who will decide on the venue. Now what would happen if Ruiz don't want to rematch AJ in UK?

[candyslim]

He only got the chance to fight Joshua because he accepted the opportunity, complete with strings attached. He could have refused the fight because he didn't like the rematch obligation /terms, which is precisely what we are told was Dillian Whyte's reason for turning it down.

Andy's career had previously been going nowhere, punctuated as it was by long periods of inactivity. He is now wealthy beyond his dreams. I'm not saying he should be grateful to Joshua (maybe to the Gods of good fortune) because he wasn't given the shot as a kindness, it was a business decision, but if he reneges on his contractual obligations then he's a pudendum and deserves to be sued for every peso.

[joshj909]

The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.

Is there a real life example where someone refused the contractual obligation to rematch someone to face someone else?

[apollo creed]

He only got the chance to fight Joshua because he accepted the opportunity, complete with strings attached. He could have refused the fight because he didn't like the rematch obligation /terms, which is precisely what we are told was Dillian Whyte's reason for turning it down.

Andy's career had previously been going nowhere, punctuated as it was by long periods of inactivity. He is now wealthy beyond his dreams. I'm not saying he should be grateful to Joshua (maybe to the Gods of good fortune) because he wasn't given the shot as a kindness, it was a business decision, but if he reneges on his contractual obligations then he's a pudendum and deserves to be sued for every peso.

Yup. You have a valid point.

[apollo creed]

The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.

Is there a real life example where someone refused the contractual obligation to rematch someone to face someone else?

Not refusing the rematch but the venue. Andy may be afraid to be 'screwed' in UK. Also would vada make the peds testing in uk?

[candyslim]

If I understand it correctly, it seems that Dillian Whyte passed VADA testing in the UK prior to the Rivas fight but failed testing by UKAD.

Don't take that as gospel, I'm not following it as closely as some.

[Enlightened-One]

The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.

Is there a real life example where someone refused the contractual obligation to rematch someone to face someone else?

Lewis-Rahman.

Rahman tried to avoid the rematch and wanted to face Brian Nielsen instead, which compelled Lewis to file a $50m lawsuit.

[Enlightened-One]

If I understand it correctly, it seems that Dillian Whyte passed VADA testing in the UK prior to the Rivas fight but failed testing by UKAD.

Don't take that as gospel, I'm not following it as closely as some.

Wrong thread bud!

[candyslim]

EO It's not like you to make a mistake like that. My response was in reply to Apollo Creed's question as to whether VADA would do PED testing in the UK. Ironic that it was you I had most in mind in my disclaimer

[apollo creed]

If I understand it correctly, it seems that Dillian Whyte passed VADA testing in the UK prior to the Rivas fight but failed testing by UKAD.

Don't take that as gospel, I'm not following it as closely as some.

Wrong thread bud!

You are like a fly on a horse's butt, son.

[Bandog]

I don't really blame Ruiz, the way the system seems to be flawed. Whyte had a positive test performed by UKAD, and according to Hearn, was then cleared to fight by UKAD, BBBofC, and VADA.

I don't know if the rules are the same in the states, but something is seriously wrong to clear a fighter after a positive test.

Consequences? Ruiz will get sued for a lot of money if it states in the contract Joshua gets to choose the date and location.

[apollo creed]

If I understand it correctly, it seems that Dillian Whyte passed VADA testing in the UK prior to the Rivas fight but failed testing by UKAD.

Don't take that as gospel, I'm not following it as closely as some.

ok

[Enlightened-One]

EO It's not like you to make a mistake like that. My response was in reply to Apollo Creed's question as to whether VADA would do PED testing in the UK. Ironic that it was you I had most in mind in my disclaimer

Apologies, you didn’t quote his questions and your statement seemed out-of-context for this thread, especially considering the fact the same subject matter is currently being discussed at length in other threads.

My mistake. And to be honest, Apollo should have already known about VADA testing taking place in the UK, since it’s been discussed at length and exhaustively on numerous occasions.

My mistake!

[apollo creed]

The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.

Is there a real life example where someone refused the contractual obligation to rematch someone to face someone else?

Lewis-Rahman.

Rahman tried to avoid the rematch and wanted to face Brian Nielsen instead, which compelled Lewis to file a $50m lawsuit.

So Andy should ask for more money and then fight in UK to worth the risk.

[candyslim]

EO It's not like you to make a mistake like that. My response was in reply to Apollo Creed's question as to whether VADA would do PED testing in the UK. Ironic that it was you I had most in mind in my disclaimer

Apologies, you didn’t quote his questions and your statement seemed out-of-context for this thread, especially considering the fact the same subject matter is currently being discussed at length in other threads.

My mistake. And to be honest, Apollo should have already known about VADA testing taking place in the UK, since it’s been discussed at length and exhaustively on numerous occasions.

My mistake!

No problem I try to save bandwidth (old habit from forum where it was more of an issue) by avoiding long streams of quotes, but if I don't quote then comments relate to the post above unless there have been intervening posts I'm unaware of, in which case I'll normally go back and clarify who I'm repling to.

[ewenhay]

The rematch clauses remain unclear.

It appears there is definitely an immediate rematch clause but the venue arrangements and the purses are still unclear.

As far as I can gather anyway.

[Enlightened-One]

The rematch clauses remain unclear.

It appears there is definitely an immediate rematch clause but the venue arrangements and the purses are still unclear.

As far as I can gather anyway.

Yeah, that's my take on things.

I feel that Ruiz Jr. feels he can (to a certain degree) negotiate the venue, the date and the purse for the rematch, as long as he faces Joshua in his next outing.

If Andy says he doesn't want to face AJ in the UK, what this really translates to, is that he'd like to receive a bigger purse to travel overseas. It's simply a negotiation tactic.

It's all about compromise and I feel that both sides will inevitably agree to find midde-ground to make this highly-lucrative fight happen.

I believe that Andy and AJ both desperate want this rematch to take place, but for very different reasons, and will go to extraordinary lengths to make sure it does.

[ewenhay]

The rematch clauses remain unclear.

It appears there is definitely an immediate rematch clause but the venue arrangements and the purses are still unclear.

As far as I can gather anyway.

Yeah, that's my take on things.

I feel that Ruiz Jr. feels he can (to a certain degree) negotiate the venue, the date and the purse for the rematch, as long as he faces Joshua in his next outing.

If Andy says he doesn't want to face AJ in the UK, what this really translates to, is that he'd like to receive a bigger purse to travel overseas. It's simply a negotiation tactic.

It's all about compromise and I feel that both sides will inevitably agree to find midde-ground to make this highly-lucrative fight happen.

I believe that Andy and AJ both desperate want this rematch to take place, but for very different reasons, and will go to extraordinary lengths to make sure it does.

My guess would be there's a guaranteed percentage written down somewhere, the monetary value of which will vary depending on location

[marvelous marv]

If AJ fails a test no one will tell Ruiz, that's for sure.

[Perseus]

If the rematch clause does not specifically state a location or specifically say the Joshua side can choose the location then yes Ruiz can refuse.
A court will only enforce the items that have been agreed upon in the contract.

I'm quite certain the correct amount of money will convince Ruiz to go show up anywhere in the world for the fight.
Whether it's in the contract or not location will not stop the rematch.

[lillywhite14]

I would bet the purse split, with guarantee minimum along with who gets to decide the location of any rematch will all be in the signed contract.

Hearn is the guaranteed promoter too. It won’t just be ‘I promise to fight Anthony Joshua next if I win....signed Andy Ruiz’

Ruiz is 100% locked in, it would have been made clear from the start of negotiations for the first fight.

Don’t cry too hard for him though, he became a multimillionaire just by taking part in the first fight. What did he get? $6m? He’s going to be a very rich man after any rematch, no doubt taking at least 3 or 4 times the purse for fight number 1. Wasn’t Whyte moaning he was only getting 50% of any purse in his rematch clause? That’s serious dough. Good on him

[ironbeard]

Nowhere has it been clearly stated that Team Ruiz Jr. has no say in the venue location.

[joshj909]

The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.

Is there a real life example where someone refused the contractual obligation to rematch someone to face someone else?

Lewis-Rahman.

Rahman tried to avoid the rematch and wanted to face Brian Nielsen instead, which compelled Lewis to file a $50m lawsuit.

Nice one

Now, any examples when the boxers has actually gone ahead with it?

[candyslim]

Nowhere has it been clearly stated that Team Ruiz Jr. has no say in the venue location.

True but if this hasn't been covered in a legally watertight agreement then Eddie Hearn isn't half as smart as we both think he is. (I mean Eddie and I, not you and I )

[ewenhay]

Nowhere has it been clearly stated that Team Ruiz Jr. has no say in the venue location.

True but if this hasn't been covered in a legally watertight agreement then Eddie Hearn isn't half as smart as we both think he is. (I mean Eddie and I, not you and I )

I think we already know that Eddie Hearn isn't as smart as some people think he is