VADA vs UKAD - Most reputable?

[SAPFO]

So Dillian & Rivas both passed their pre, & post fight tests with VADA.......

Who do we believe?

[lefthook82]

After Fury, can anyone take UKAD seriously? Even if Dillian did pop dirty they will just backdate the ban once he threatens legal action.

I think he is clean but I hope this episode humbles him

[tobyh5]

No one has said Dillian failed the pre and post fight UKAD tests mate, not on the timescales of these VADA ones.

I believe it is being suggested the actual UKAD test was one month earlier.

[tobyh5]

I think he is clean but I hope this episode humbles him

Dianabol has been found in his urine, least that is what we are led to believe, IF that is the case, how can he be clean? impossible, literally impossible.

I fcking knew they would someone leave this alone enough, throw enough smoke and mirrors out to led people online make wrong assumptions, to make it all unclear to create an element of doubt. BUT NOPE. If he had d bol in his p1ss, he is dirty, end of

[Black Sam Bellamy]

He's failed a drugs test however hard Sky and his promoter try to rewrite history.

[Nondescript]

I think he is clean but I hope this episode humbles him

Dianabol has been found in his urine, least that is what we are led to believe, IF that is the case, how can he be clean? impossible, literally impossible.

I fcking knew they would someone leave this alone enough, throw enough smoke and mirrors out to led people online make wrong assumptions, to make it all unclear to create an element of doubt. BUT NOPE. If he had d bol in his p1ss, he is dirty, end of

I've seen a lot of people saying it's a result of a contaminated supplement. I know you have already commented on that and how they're stringently tested. Whats your mate made of all this? It can't have been good for his business whatever the situation.

[3132DW]

I think he is clean but I hope this episode humbles him

Dianabol has been found in his urine, least that is what we are led to believe, IF that is the case, how can he be clean? impossible, literally impossible.

I fcking knew they would someone leave this alone enough, throw enough smoke and mirrors out to led people online make wrong assumptions, to make it all unclear to create an element of doubt. BUT NOPE. If he had d bol in his p1ss, he is dirty, end of

How did he pass all the VADA tests as clean over 10 weeks - how long is Dianabol in your system to show up or is it a flush through type drug ?

VADA said tonight both passed Clean before and after the fight.

[Nondescript]

Dianabol has been found in his urine, least that is what we are led to believe, IF that is the case, how can he be clean? impossible, literally impossible.

I fcking knew they would someone leave this alone enough, throw enough smoke and mirrors out to led people online make wrong assumptions, to make it all unclear to create an element of doubt. BUT NOPE. If he had d bol in his p1ss, he is dirty, end of

How did he pass all the VADA tests as clean over 10 weeks - how long is Dianabol in your system to show up or is it a flush through type drug ?

VADA said tonight both passed Clean before and after the fight.

It says 24 to 48 hours here depending on dose size -

http://kows107-3.org/know-how-long-is-d ... ur-system/

[tobyh5]

Look UKAD put a bottle in his hand. He dropped his dick in it and pissed. That piss was put under tests. Those tests said d Bol was in it. That needs explaining. The rest is smoke and mirrors to cloud the simplicity of urine/bottle/test/DBol

As for contaminated supplement, every fcking drug cheat tries that one. Name me one who hasn't?

[Nondescript]

Look UKAD put a bottle in his hand. He dropped his dick in it and pissed. That piss was put under tests. Those tests said d Bol was in it. That needs explaining. The rest is smoke and mirrors to cloud the simplicity of urine/bottle/test/DBol

As for contaminated supplement, every fcking drug cheat tries that one. Name me one who hasn't?

You don't need to convince me mate. You know how it works though and how it gets spun.

[tobyh5]

Look UKAD put a bottle in his hand. He dropped his dick in it and pissed. That piss was put under tests. Those tests said d Bol was in it. That needs explaining. The rest is smoke and mirrors to cloud the simplicity of urine/bottle/test/DBol

As for contaminated supplement, every fcking drug cheat tries that one. Name me one who hasn't?

You don't need to convince me mate. You know how it works though and how it gets spun.

Ha sorry man, I am just so arghartgh over the way they are clouding it enough for doubts when it seems quite cut and dried to me (on the current evidence - least what has been said and not denied)

[SAPFO]

Dianabol has been found in his urine, least that is what we are led to believe, IF that is the case, how can he be clean? impossible, literally impossible.

I fcking knew they would someone leave this alone enough, throw enough smoke and mirrors out to led people online make wrong assumptions, to make it all unclear to create an element of doubt. BUT NOPE. If he had d bol in his p1ss, he is dirty, end of

I've seen a lot of people saying it's a result of a contaminated supplement. I know you have already commented on that and how they're stringently tested. Whats your mate made of all this? It can't have been good for his business whatever the situation.

toby’s mate supply Dil then? That figures then. Toby has always been anti roids. Test him, I bet he pops


It’s not inconceivable that it could have been in a supplement. Many many are banned every year. Every ‘new’ supp company has their ‘secret formula’. You can cash in hard & fast before the ban hammer lands.

[oogiebe]

So Dillian & Rivas both passed their pre, & post fight tests with VADA.......

Who do we believe?

Reports say the following:

July 15th: VADA took a sample that passed. That was the last pre-fight sample taken by VADA as far as I know.
July 17th: UKAD took a sample that failed. That was the last pre-fight sample taken by UKAD as far as I know.

Timing is everything.

[knockout]

Timing is indeed everything !

Ben Johnson managed to stay clear for 6 years then fcuked up his timing and popped in Seoul!

Not sure the benefit of microdosing D-Bol 5 days before the fight. Unless he jumped on the gear inbetween every Vada test

[SAPFO]

Dbol takes a few weeks to hit you don’t it? Therefore what the point? It’s not like A Test Prop for example which you can get on & off and out the system quickly, as opposed to Test E & C, which stick around for weeks.

[SAPFO]

His bro looks like he’d piss hot I tell ya

[tobyh5]

I've seen a lot of people saying it's a result of a contaminated supplement. I know you have already commented on that and how they're stringently tested. Whats your mate made of all this? It can't have been good for his business whatever the situation.

toby’s mate supply Dil then? That figures then. Toby has always been anti roids. Test him, I bet he pops


It’s not inconceivable that it could have been in a supplement. Many many are banned every year. Every ‘new’ supp company has their ‘secret formula’. You can cash in hard & fast before the ban hammer lands.

If I took roids, I should sue the supplier man, I am 70kg when shredded

The supps which sponsor him is owned by a guy with huge ethics. He founded EQ Nutrition years ago as him and partners where all lifetime natural competitors who wanted good quality (not filled with fillers) protein and a few other supps, which were tested and 100% natural.

I remember when they were standing in health shops giving out free samples, then they signed AJ to a deal, got into Tesco etc and got much bigger. Their stuff is amazing quality, tested to be what it should be, and they are such truly nice, hard working, genuine guys.

One of the owners of EQ also owns VOW nutrition which seems to be the brand sponsoring Dillian at the Rivas fight and also batch tested, and I would bet my house is not responsible for any of this shite with Dillian. Also connected to them is a great photographer, who takes photos of most bodybuilding shows, is a former British Heavyweight Bodybuilding Champion, one of the most genuine guys you will ever meet, with a lot of ethics and standards and I saw he was with Dillian on fight week, in his corner taking pictures and in the dressing room.

I have no idea how they feel and for their sake I hope he is clean, but if not I am certain they are in the clear.

[coneye]

I think one way Dillan or any other fighter for that matter to convince me , it was'nt cheating , it was in the supplements which they were assured was clean , Is for me to see them spend a few hundred thousand of there own hard earned , suing the company that put n a secret ingrediant thats illigal , therfore costing them there carreer .

Bet ya we don't see that though

[tobyh5]

I think one way Dillan or any other fighter for that matter to convince me , it was'nt cheating , it was in the supplements which they were assured was clean , Is for me to see them spend a few hundred thousand of there own hard earned , suing the company that put n a secret ingrediant thats illigal , therfore costing them there carreer .

Bet ya we don't see that though

Mate, aside from the fact there is literally zero gain for the company supplying the supps to lace them with gear, it cannot be done. But seriously, what possible reason would a supplement company have for putting in a little added secret spice?!!??

The supps Dillian was supplied are batch tested and under informed sport. That means every batch of supps has a bit taken out and tested so it is then certified to be clear of banned substances. It costs an absolute fortune to enrol and it is stringent testing. Absolutely no point having them re-tested.

[SAPFO]

In that case then, I’m happy that the sponsored sups were clean.


Maybe Dillian took an extra supp? Is there anything known to have contained methandrostenolone before being banned previously?


UKAD are always busting people VADA seem to miss. UKAD are a government run organisation. Is VADA privately run, and maybe open to ‘missing stuff’ ?

[Wee Tommy]

In that case then, I’m happy that the sponsored sups were clean.


Maybe Dillian took an extra supp? Is there anything known to have contained methandrostenolone before being banned previously?


UKAD are always busting people VADA seem to miss. UKAD are a government run organisation. Is VADA privately run, and maybe open to ‘missing stuff’ ?

From VADA homepage:

About VADA
The Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) is an organization that will offer and promote effective anti-doping practices and programs in boxing and mixed martial arts. Boxing and mixed martial arts are state regulated. Currently, few athletic commissions perform drug testing for performance enhancing substances. When conducted, testing is not comprehensive, rarely unannounced and not a deterrent. Sports regulators do not have the man-power, time and funds to thoroughly carry out the task. VADA will be an opportunity for athletes to demonstrate their commitment to clean sport.
Professional athletes will volunteer to be subject to unannounced testing at any time during the eight weeks prior to a scheduled fight. As in the Olympic program, an agreement to participate will require fighters to officially inform us of their daily whereabouts, so that they can be tested per the program. Athletes will agree that all results are immediately released to the appropriate adjudicating commission overseeing their upcoming contest. VADA has arranged for a World Anti-Doping Agency approved laboratory to conduct the tests and an internationally-recognized anti-doping group to collect the specimens and maintain the chain of custody.
Perhaps VADA’s most significant role will be to educate both amateur and professional boxers and mixed martial artists, commissions, trainers and public on the hazards of PED use.


Hmmm

[Finn]

Where’s the info stating it’s D-Bol come from?

[james5000+]

You can pass 99 tests but if you fail 1 you are a cheat, end of

Using a drug as a training aid will 1,000,000% deliver a competitive advantage even if its untraceable at fight night

This pudendum should be banned for life