DILLIAN WHYTE STATUS WITH THE WBC

[Bandog]

Do you have any proof that what I’ve written is factually inaccurate and your theory is 100% correct?

VADA and UKAD follow different drug testing protocols.

If you feel that the above statement is incorrect then you haven’t done your research.

I haven't claimed their testing is identical. I'm just saying it's irrelevant, given they tested on different dates. It's well known that VADA testing isn't the same as most others, as being a 'voluntary' agency, they don't follow WADA code (their policies and protocols are slightly more strict, if anything).

Your bullet point on Whyte, the way you link this to the BJS case, and your final paragraph, seemed to infer that the reason Whyte failed UKAD but passed VADA was down to this difference in policy.

All I'm saying, is we can't assume that, given that it's much more likely that Whyte's blood/urine levels we're not the same at the times the samples were taken.

From what I have gathered so far, Enlightened one is one of those people that has a very hard time admitting they are wrong, and gets really upset when someone challenges what he/she says?

To me, Deleted Scenes gave a totally logical explanation regarding the testing that transpired. If I was from the UK, I suppose I would throw logic and facts out the door to support Whyte, but I'm not.

[oogiebe]

I haven't claimed their testing is identical. I'm just saying it's irrelevant, given they tested on different dates. It's well known that VADA testing isn't the same as most others, as being a 'voluntary' agency, they don't follow WADA code (their policies and protocols are slightly more strict, if anything).

Your bullet point on Whyte, the way you link this to the BJS case, and your final paragraph, seemed to infer that the reason Whyte failed UKAD but passed VADA was down to this difference in policy.

All I'm saying, is we can't assume that, given that it's much more likely that Whyte's blood/urine levels we're not the same at the times the samples were taken.

From what I have gathered so far, Enlightened one is one of those people that has a very hard time admitting they are wrong, and gets really upset when someone challenges what he/she says?

To me, Deleted Scenes gave a totally logical explanation regarding the testing that transpired. If I was from the UK, I suppose I would throw logic and facts out the door to support Whyte, but I'm not.

I'm just flat out confused at this point. Pre and post fight testings by VADA cleared for both fighters, according to a new article on boxing scene.com. Now I'm hearing that the UKAD test sample was extracted on June 17th and not July 17th. Not sure what is going on. Anyone who can kind of clear up the sample dates would be most appreciative.

[tiny_acres]

From what I have gathered so far, Enlightened one is one of those people that has a very hard time admitting they are wrong, and gets really upset when someone challenges what he/she says?

To me, Deleted Scenes gave a totally logical explanation regarding the testing that transpired. If I was from the UK, I suppose I would throw logic and facts out the door to support Whyte, but I'm not.

I'm just flat out confused at this point. Pre and post fight testings by VADA cleared for both fighters, according to a new article on boxing scene.com. Now I'm hearing that the UKAD test sample was extracted on June 17th and not July 17th. Not sure what is going on. Anyone who can kind of clear up the sample dates would be most appreciative.

I read that also on boxing scene and fat dans mailbag

[oogiebe]

I'm just flat out confused at this point. Pre and post fight testings by VADA cleared for both fighters, according to a new article on boxing scene.com. Now I'm hearing that the UKAD test sample was extracted on June 17th and not July 17th. Not sure what is going on. Anyone who can kind of clear up the sample dates would be most appreciative.

I read that also on boxing scene and fat dans mailbag

[Bandog]

I hope for their sake the June/July thing was a misprint, or the lawsuit coming will triple. Have to wait to see some concrete facts. Any way you look at it, it's a black eye for UKAD, and boxing in general.

[Enlightened-One]

From what I have gathered so far, Enlightened one is one of those people that has a very hard time admitting they are wrong, and gets really upset when someone challenges what he/she says?

What I previously wrote about VADA and UKAD employing a different set of drug testing protocols and standards is not something that is up for debate or open to interpretation.

It’s simply a fact of life!

I’m not going to admit to being “wrong” about this assertion.

[Enlightened-One]

Eddie Hearn today told Sky Sports that Whyte is planning to use the six or seven VADA tests, that were performed around the same time UKAD performed their own tests, as evidence to clear his name.

[greg]

..irrelevant, he'd better explain one single positive result...

[Enlightened-One]

..irrelevant, he'd better explain one single positive result...

It’ll be interesting to know the precise dates for the six or seven clean VADA tests (performed from 26th April to 21st July), because if none of them contain the same minute traces of metabolites as the adverse UKAD test, then Dillian could argue that contamination could have caused the drug test failure.

[greg]

..irrelevant, he'd better explain one single positive result...

It’ll be interesting to know the precise dates for the six or seven clean VADA tests (performed from 26th April to 21st July), because if none of them contain the same minute traces of metabolites as the adverse UKAD test, then Dillian could argue that contamination could have caused the drug test failure.

he might try...human imagination, especially that of a doper and his lawyers, as is well known, has no limits..

[Nondescript]

..irrelevant, he'd better explain one single positive result...

It’ll be interesting to know the precise dates for the six or seven clean VADA tests (performed from 26th April to 21st July), because if none of them contain the same minute traces of metabolites as the adverse UKAD test, then Dillian could argue that contamination could have caused the drug test failure.

It will depend on if any of them were taken on exactly the same day.

[Deleted_Scenes]

..irrelevant, he'd better explain one single positive result...

It’ll be interesting to know the precise dates for the six or seven clean VADA tests (performed from 26th April to 21st July), because if none of them contain the same minute traces of metabolites as the adverse UKAD test, then Dillian could argue that contamination could have caused the drug test failure.

The problem with the 'contamination' excuse, is UKAD don't accept it as a valid reason for an adverse finding. It halves the length of any ban given, but isn't enough for them to clear a fighter of any wrongdoing.

UKAD's standard sanctioning structure is as follows:

- 4 year ban for a 1st offence, reduced to 2 years where the athlete can prove they aren't to blame (i.e. contamination of supplements or food).

- 8 year ban for a second offence, reduced to 4 years where the athlete can prove they aren't to blame.

That puts Whyte on a 4 year ban, using the contamination excuse for a second offence, and assuming his B sample also tests dirty.

The only way he escapes, is if he can prove that A sample was wrong in some way.

For comparison, if Canelo and Miller had tested positive under UKAD, they'd currently be serving 2 year and 8 year bans, respectively. Possibly life, in Miller's case.

[lazboy]

But what are we talking about when we say contaminated. Was the actual blood test contaminated, if it was the blood test specifically, as in it was contaminated in the lab by a technician then surely that wouldn’t warrant a sanction. However if we are talking food contamination such as the Canelo mex-meatgate saga then that’s different.

What of the B sample, apologies I’m not up to date. If that also contains the drug then that contaminated by a technician would be a very unlikely explanation to chase.

[Deleted_Scenes]

But what are we talking about when we say contaminated. Was the actual blood test contaminated, if it was the blood test specifically, as in it was contaminated in the lab by a technician then surely that wouldn’t warrant a sanction. However if we are talking food contamination such as the Canelo mex-meatgate saga then that’s different.

What of the B sample, apologies I’m not up to date. If that also contains the drug then that contaminated by a technician would be a very unlikely explanation to chase.

If it's the test itself that's contaminated, then yes that would see him cleared. That would be incredibly difficult to prove though. You're right that a positive B sample would make it tricky. That would have been witnessed being taken by Whyte's team, and sealed. Whyte's team also get to witness it being unsealed and tested by an independent WADA accredited lab. What are the chances of the lab contaminating both samples?

A contaminated A sample should show up in the form of a negative B sample. If that happens, Whyte is off the hook, regardless of how dianabol metabolites (or whatever else it was) found their way into the A sample.

If the B sample is dirty, I'm predicting a drawn out legal process, followed by an eventual retrospective NC, and a 4 year ban. Not good for Dillian.

[margaret thatcher]

The WBC didn't go hard on Pov, Ort, or Stiv

The WBC didn't go hard on Pov? Are you serious? Wilder is still running away scared for Pov and because of that, the WBC does as well.

They put him right back into a final eliminator, I wouldnt consider that hard

[tiny_acres]

It's his own fault for testing hot. It deprives us of a fight we all want.

First of all, UKAD failed piles of times before and should have been bankrupt ages ago already, second of all, most other WBC ranked guys have never ever been tested at all, especially their champs.

May I ask what wbc champions have never been tested?

[margaret thatcher]

They ordered Povs vs Stiverne, which woulda been easy work for Pov, then he failed again

[tiny_acres]

May I ask what wbc champions have never been tested?

By UKAD? Wilder for example.

He was ukad tested when he fought In England in 2013

[tiny_acres]

He was ukad tested when he fought In England in 2013

Really? Show me.

Check bbboc rules.
You are trying to elude that Wilder has never been tested by any organization.
Your hatred is so obvious you show no logic or reasoning in any Wilder post

[oogiebe]

Really? Show me.

Check bbboc rules.
You are trying to elude that Wilder has never been tested by any organization.
Your hatred is so obvious you show no logic or reasoning in any Wilder post

Or in any post really.

[tiny_acres]

Check bbboc rules.
You are trying to elude that Wilder has never been tested by any organization.
Your hatred is so obvious you show no logic or reasoning in any Wilder post

Or in any post really.

The hatred is pathetic. Another keyboard warrior bitching like a lil girl about a guy brave enough to get in the ring.