Pacman, the living legend, HOF'er, truly a one of a kind! Should he retire as a king?

[Ricky]

Mostly he’s written that he knew the outcome before it had happened because of his advanced deduction skills but failed to predict a Pacquiao win, apparently due to his advanced deduction skills.

I clearly stated that my prediction for the outcome of the Pacquiao-Thurman bout was dependent on the amount of VADA testing in place, which obviously implies only two outcomes!

We subsequently found out that VADA testing was only performed during the final stages of training camp.

I also laboured over my belief about Keith Thurman being very beatable and out-of-form. And let's not forget that Pacquiao was the favourite (in terms of betting and pundit predictions) to beat the American.

Do I need to quote my words? If so, what are your reading and comprehension skills like? Would you purposely misconstrue the comments I'd written purely for argumentative purposes?

You stink up every thread you post in - i hope you die.

[apollo creed]

I clearly stated that my prediction for the outcome of the Pacquiao-Thurman bout was dependent on the amount of VADA testing in place, which obviously implies only two outcomes!

We subsequently found out that VADA testing was only performed during the final stages of training camp.

I also laboured over my belief about Keith Thurman being very beatable and out-of-form. And let's not forget that Pacquiao was the favourite (in terms of betting and pundit predictions) to beat the American.

Do I need to quote my words? If so, what are your reading and comprehension skills like? Would you purposely misconstrue the comments I'd written purely for argumentative purposes?

You stink up every thread you post in - i hope you die.

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a momentum in a possible arque with other posters. He's just fishing or he creates some online disputes to get some kind of weird joy and satisfaction when he is 'winning' them. lol

[Enlightened-One]

I clearly stated that my prediction for the outcome of the Pacquiao-Thurman bout was dependent on the amount of VADA testing in place, which obviously implies only two outcomes!

We subsequently found out that VADA testing was only performed during the final stages of training camp.

I also laboured over my belief about Keith Thurman being very beatable and out-of-form. And let's not forget that Pacquiao was the favourite (in terms of betting and pundit predictions) to beat the American.

Do I need to quote my words? If so, what are your reading and comprehension skills like? Would you purposely misconstrue the comments I'd written purely for argumentative purposes?

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a momentum in a possible arque with other posters. He's just fishing or he creates some online disputes to get some kind of weird joy and satisfaction when he is 'winning' them. lol

Are you dishonestly claiming that the following statements are true?

• Pacquiao and Thurman were tested by VADA for the entirety of their training camps
• Thurman was an active fully-fit (rarely injured) in-form fighter considered as being the very best his weight class had to offer
• Manny was considered the betting underdog and most boxing experts expected him to lose to Thurman
• I didn’t write everything in the post you quoted prior to the Pacquiao-Thurman bout taking place

If you believe every single bullet point above is false, then you clearly agree with everything I wrote, which means you shouldn’t be offended by the factually-accurate nature of my posts in this thread.

[ironbeard]

[margaret thatcher]

I think that most Manny fans fear the rematch with Once Upon A Time.

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

[oogiebe]

I think that most Manny fans fear the rematch with Once Upon A Time.

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

That's it 100%.

[ironbeard]

I think that most Manny fans fear the rematch with Once Upon A Time.

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

I disagree. It was very close. Closer than the Horn fight. It was a great fight. Once Upon A Time finished stronger. Only the flash KD was the difference.

Manny fans fear that Once Upon A Time would beat him soundly in the rematch.

Instead another circus act with FMJ? That was no contest. There was no doubt who won that. It was a sh!t fight. It would be worse the second time.

[margaret thatcher]

I don't think Manny fans are really that bothered about Thurman, probably done with him now that Manny's beat him clear and fair. I think a lot probably haven't even been thinking about a rematch.

[ironbeard]

I don't think Manny fans are really that bothered about Thurman, probably done with him now that Manny's beat him clear and fair. I think a lot probably haven't even been thinking about a rematch.

Maybe. I am a Manny fan and I would prefer to see the rematch with Once Upon A Time. It was not as clear as you repeatedly claim. It was razor close. Manny did just enough and absolutely no more.

[apollo creed]

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a momentum in a possible arque with other posters. He's just fishing or he creates some online disputes to get some kind of weird joy and satisfaction when he is 'winning' them. lol

Are you dishonestly claiming that the following statements are true?

• Pacquiao and Thurman were tested by VADA for the entirety of their training camps
• Thurman was an active fully-fit (rarely injured) in-form fighter considered as being the very best his weight class had to offer
• Manny was considered the betting underdog and most boxing experts expected him to lose to Thurman
• I didn’t write everything in the post you quoted prior to the Pacquiao-Thurman bout taking place

If you believe every single bullet point above is false, then you clearly agree with everything I wrote, which means you shouldn’t be offended by the factually-accurate nature of my posts in this thread.

[margaret thatcher]

It was a clear win for Manny, I really don't think his fans are losing sleep over Keith Thurman, I imagine most are looking to other things now.

[apollo creed]

I think that most Manny fans fear the rematch with Once Upon A Time.

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

Yup.

[apollo creed]

Pacquiao should retire as a king. He did more than enough. Let's see Spence vs TC and start a new chapter in the ww division.

[oogiebe]

Pacquiao should retire as a king. He did more than enough. Let's see Spence vs TC and start a new chapter in the ww division.

Yup! Especially as Pac wouldn't stand a chance against these two top WW's. No point in going on. There's nothing interesting left for him that he can conquer.

[ironbeard]

I also prefer that he retire.

[margaret thatcher]

I also prefer that he retire.

You must be scared of a Thurman rematch then

[ironbeard]

I also prefer that he retire.

You must be scared of a Thurman rematch then

Not at all. I prefer an entertaining fight IF he does not retire. The rematch promises just that. Once Upon A Time is the perfect level for Manny. If not OUAT, then I think that Mikey would work great.

[oogiebe]

You must be scared of a Thurman rematch then

Not at all. I prefer an entertaining fight IF he does not retire. The rematch promises just that. Once Upon A Time is the perfect level for Manny. If not OUAT, then I think that Mikey would work great.

I think he was kidding.

[ironbeard]

Not at all. I prefer an entertaining fight IF he does not retire. The rematch promises just that. Once Upon A Time is the perfect level for Manny. If not OUAT, then I think that Mikey would work great.

I think he was kidding.

Sarcasm is best skewered with a dry sword.

[oogiebe]

I think he was kidding.

Sarcasm is best skewered with a dry sword.

[KiwiRider]

I think that most Manny fans fear the rematch with Once Upon A Time.

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

Thurman made adjustments in that fight, Pac wasn't landing the right hook at will after the first 4-5 rounds and I give him a good chance if there was an immediate rematch. Personally I think Keith should work his way into a title fight. Given his inactivity during his reign and the loss to Pac, I think he needs to prove his #1 contender status in the division. His last top level win is so long ago now.
I'm not even sure he can beat the 2019 version of Porter.

[gilgamesh]

Or just aren't that interested in it. They already saw it, clear win, no controversy, no major upset, good but not great fight. At 40 I'd rather Manny not go over old ground unless for a huge Floyd rematch

Thurman made adjustments in that fight, Pac wasn't landing the right hook at will after the first 4-5 rounds and I give him a good chance if there was an immediate rematch. Personally I think Keith should work his way into a title fight. Given his inactivity during his reign and the loss to Pac, I think he needs to prove his #1 contender status in the division. His last top level win is so long ago now.
I'm not even sure he can beat the 2019 version of Porter.

If you're talking about Thurman, I'm sure he can't. Porter has improved. Thurman has declined, and Thurman barely beat him before. He wouldn't beat him now.

[lazboy]

Yes I don’t see the interest in a rematch. Mannys an aging fighter with only so much time. He’s vanquished his foe and accomplished a significant thing doing so. We want to see him in there with a different style and name.

[ironbeard]

Thurman made adjustments in that fight, Pac wasn't landing the right hook at will after the first 4-5 rounds and I give him a good chance if there was an immediate rematch. Personally I think Keith should work his way into a title fight. Given his inactivity during his reign and the loss to Pac, I think he needs to prove his #1 contender status in the division. His last top level win is so long ago now.
I'm not even sure he can beat the 2019 version of Porter.

If you're talking about Thurman, I'm sure he can't. Porter has improved. Thurman has declined, and Thurman barely beat him before. He wouldn't beat him now.

Your assessment may change post Spence.

[gilgamesh]

If you're talking about Thurman, I'm sure he can't. Porter has improved. Thurman has declined, and Thurman barely beat him before. He wouldn't beat him now.

Your assessment may change post Spence.

I doubt it. Spence will beat Porter, but he'd beat Thurman just the same if not even more convincingly. It'll be interesting to see if he can stop Porter.