is Ruiz trying to wriggle out of the rematch ???

[oogiebe]

The original contract stipulated a rematch clause. So it is on. Both sides know the fight is on. Ruiz doesn't have sweet options if it goes to court. They'll hit him with an injunction so that he can't fight during litigation. It won't get that far. I do agree he is in a stronger position than Hearn lets on.

You do not know that an injunction would be implemented. The number 1 issue is the money, not the belts. TFKoB would not receive the money for the rematch if it did not happen, and it is very likely that his attorneys would succeed in having an injunction denied based on the legal battle being entirely about what he was paid for the first fight.

Nah.

[ironbeard]

You do not know that an injunction would be implemented. The number 1 issue is the money, not the belts. TFKoB would not receive the money for the rematch if it did not happen, and it is very likely that his attorneys would succeed in having an injunction denied based on the legal battle being entirely about what he was paid for the first fight.

Nah.

Go ahead and explain how you know that an injunction request would be granted? I am not saying that it would not. I am saying that we do not know until the battle ensues, anymore than we know who wins the rematch.

[snake33]

If Ruiz was completely confident that he will win the rematch, then he'd just do it and reap the long term benefits of being the new king. But he isn't and that is why he would like to squeeze a few more shekels out of the rematch. When Ruiz loses he will be a pariah. No belts but too much of a risk. This equals a dry spell like Whyte or Ortiz. He wants the money up front and may end up cheating himself out of the belts and the money.

[oogiebe]

If Ruiz was completely confident that he will win the rematch, then he'd just do it and reap the long term benefits of being the new king. But he isn't and that is why he would like to squeeze a few more shekels out of the rematch. When Ruiz loses he will be a pariah. No belts but too much of a risk. This equals a dry spell like Whyte or Ortiz. He wants the money up front and may end up cheating himself out of the belts and the money.

Ruiz is just posturing for more dough. We're all making too much out of this.

[oogiebe]

Nah.

Go ahead and explain how you know that an injunction request would be granted? I am not saying that it would not. I am saying that we do not know until the battle ensues, anymore than we know who wins the rematch.

That's what happens. But again, I don't see it going the legal route. Ruiz will get some money thrown at him which is what he wants.

[ironbeard]

If Ruiz was completely confident that he will win the rematch, then he'd just do it and reap the long term benefits of being the new king. But he isn't and that is why he would like to squeeze a few more shekels out of the rematch. When Ruiz loses he will be a pariah. No belts but too much of a risk. This equals a dry spell like Whyte or Ortiz. He wants the money up front and may end up cheating himself out of the belts and the money.

Sure, the guy who took the best shots his opponent can throw, walked through them and won by KTFO is lacking confidence.

Are you a descendant of Nostradumbass?

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, you'd think if he took a guy's best shots and KO him, that he may in fact see it as 'limited dangers' to lose a rematch

[Enlightened-One]

It is only on when it is agreed upon. TFKoB has options and backing. He has a stronger negotiating position than Eddie is willing to acknowledge. If it does not happen, he has sweet options.

That said, I am certain that TFKoB wants to prove that the first fight was no fluke.

The original contract stipulated a rematch clause. So it is on. Both sides know the fight is on. Ruiz doesn't have sweet options if it goes to court. They'll hit him with an injunction so that he can't fight during litigation. It won't get that far. I do agree he is in a stronger position than Hearn lets on.

Eddie Hearn won’t be able to simply click his fingers and a US court would immediately prevent Ruiz Jr. from earning an income.

Andy Ruiz Jr. has never said that he was unwilling to honour his contract for the Joshua rematch. He just doesn’t want to compete in Saudi Arabia.

The contract he signed doesn’t include stipulations for the location for the rematch.

And Ruiz Jr. has a strong legal case to justify his reluctance to compete in that country.

[Enlightened-One]

If Ruiz was completely confident that he will win the rematch, then he'd just do it and reap the long term benefits of being the new king.

That’s a naïve opinion.

[ironbeard]

Ya, you'd think if he took a guy's best shots and KO him, that he may in fact see it as 'limited dangers' to lose a rematch

For TFKoB? Maybe. For pretty much any other human being and equine on the planet, those shots would be lights out.

Fury would be faaar less risk of physical harm. TFKoB wants him after AJ.

[Enlightened-One]

Anyway, why is Andy Ruiz Jr. receiving so much heat?

The heavyweight champion of the world wants to defend his titles in the US or Mexico. He doesn’t want to go to Saudi Arabia.

The challenger to his titles initially wanted to perform the rematch on US soil, but then changed his mind and decided that he’d like to fight anywhere other than America. The Brit doesn’t even want to defend his belt on home turf.

Even AJ's fans don’t want the fight staged in Saudi Arabia.

I suspect the DAZN doesn’t want the fight staged in Saudi Arabia also.

The main culprit here is Eddie Hearn, because he wants to receive that $40m site fee. I guess AJ is also motivated to receive a bigger purse.

In financial terms, it doesn’t matter where the fight is staged for Ruiz Jr., because he'll receive $9m regardless the location.

For some reason, everyone is accusing Andy Ruiz Jr. of being a cowardly “duck”! WTF!!!

Was I the only one that watched the Joshua-Ruiz Jr. fight?

[margaret thatcher]

I don't think it's 'everyone' at all

My take is that the deal seemed great to him in the moment before fight 1, but now that he won and the time comes to honor the contract, hes trying to squeeze out as much as he can. I dont doubt yet that it will happen next

[keirw]

The original contract stipulated a rematch clause. So it is on. Both sides know the fight is on. Ruiz doesn't have sweet options if it goes to court. They'll hit him with an injunction so that he can't fight during litigation. It won't get that far. I do agree he is in a stronger position than Hearn lets on.

Eddie Hearn won’t be able to simply click his fingers and a US court would immediately prevent Ruiz Jr. from earning an income.

Andy Ruiz Jr. has never said that he was unwilling to honour his contract for the Joshua rematch. He just doesn’t want to compete in Saudi Arabia.

The contract he signed doesn’t include stipulations for the location for the rematch.

And Ruiz Jr. has a strong legal case to justify his reluctance to compete in that country.

I for one am 100% certain that Matchroom and their lawyers have all of their T's crossed and I's dotted.

The contract will be water tight, have no doubt about that.

With two of the governing bodies having called mandatories the legal case would not need to occupy Ruiz for long for him to lose two of his three belts.

As I said earlier, it really isn't worth his while. Best case scenario, he is able to defend his WBA title against the Wilder/Fury winner late next year for $2-3 million.

[Onetimeonly]

Nah.

Go ahead and explain how you know that an injunction request would be granted? I am not saying that it would not. I am saying that we do not know until the battle ensues, anymore than we know who wins the rematch.

He can retire if he wants. I imagine after a few years he could come back. He has no leg to stand on trying to dictate any terms, but I bet it nets him a few more bucks then again, Andy is prolific at pulling out of fights.

[oogiebe]

Anyway, why is Andy Ruiz Jr. receiving so much heat?

The heavyweight champion of the world wants to defend his titles in the US or Mexico. He doesn’t want to go to Saudi Arabia.

The challenger to his titles initially wanted to perform the rematch on US soil, but then changed his mind and decided that he’d like to fight anywhere other than America. The Brit doesn’t even want to defend his belt on home turf.

Even AJ's fans don’t want the fight staged in Saudi Arabia.

I suspect the DAZN doesn’t want the fight staged in Saudi Arabia also.

The main culprit here is Eddie Hearn, because he wants to receive that $40m site fee. I guess AJ is also motivated to receive a bigger purse.

In financial terms, it doesn’t matter where the fight is staged for Ruiz Jr., because he'll receive $9m regardless the location.

For some reason, everyone is accusing Andy Ruiz Jr. of being a cowardly “duck”! WTF!!!

Was I the only one that watched the Joshua-Ruiz Jr. fight?

That's not true.

[ironbeard]

Go ahead and explain how you know that an injunction request would be granted? I am not saying that it would not. I am saying that we do not know until the battle ensues, anymore than we know who wins the rematch.

He can retire if he wants. I imagine after a few years he could come back. He has no leg to stand on trying to dictate any terms, but I bet it nets him a few more bucks then again, Andy is prolific at pulling out of fights.

When you have a legal team behind you, you have legs.

I agree he is angling for another “few” million.

The fight in Saudi Arabia is putrid.

[oogiebe]

He can retire if he wants. I imagine after a few years he could come back. He has no leg to stand on trying to dictate any terms, but I bet it nets him a few more bucks then again, Andy is prolific at pulling out of fights.

When you have a legal team behind you, you have legs.

I agree he is angling for another “few” million.

The fight in Saudi Arabia is putrid.

absolutely.

[Onetimeonly]

He can retire if he wants. I imagine after a few years he could come back. He has no leg to stand on trying to dictate any terms, but I bet it nets him a few more bucks then again, Andy is prolific at pulling out of fights.

When you have a legal team behind you, you have legs.

I agree he is angling for another “few” million.

The fight in Saudi Arabia is putrid.

The only thing that keeps it from happening there is a missed payment into escrow.

[jas80s]

If I became aware of a 40 million dollar site fee and I was the current champion I would definitely want some of that money. To me, it's kind of egregious if he is NOT getting some of that money, especially if Joshua is.

[Onetimeonly]

If I became aware of a 40 million dollar site fee and I was the current champion I would definitely want some of that money. To me, it's kind of egregious if he is NOT getting some of that money, especially if Joshua is.

He is getting some of that money. I heard it was a lot more than 40.

[Ilya Muromets]

Ruiz would be happy to have the fight in Mexico, and they'd draw a big crowd there too. Joshua also isn't really British, he's Nigerian, so they could have the fight there too.

[margaret thatcher]

Why's he not British?

[oogiebe]

Why's he not British?

I thought AJ was born in Britain? No?

[margaret thatcher]

Ruiz would be happy to have the fight in Mexico, and they'd draw a big crowd there too. Joshua also isn't really British, he's Nigerian, so they could have the fight there too.

Funny enough Nigeria actually has a bigger travel threat rating than Saudi Arabia according to the us government

[man]

he went in as the no-chance underdog
hardly earning anything, but now bails out
after he knows he can beat the guy and
gets huge bucks for it?

he has every right to play his own crowd.
after all, HE is the heavy weight champion
of the world.