It is amazing how differently loses are treated in boxing compared to MMA.
Look at Stipe Miocic, he has been knocked out 3 times in his UFC career but it didn't stop him from beating an ATG at the weekend.
Yet a boxer loses one fight and people start calling him a hype job and sometimes even call for him to retire.
I've said this before about boxing. I can't think of a single sport where the top person never lose. Look at tennis, all the greatest players have lost numerous times and sometimes to rank outsiders but no one says 'oh but remember when Sampras lost to that unseeded player'. UFC is a good comparison as a combat sport though, sometimes the difference in a win and a loss is very slim.
Its also funny that Pacquiau has been knocked out a few times, even early in his career to a nobody, but that rarely is mentioned by anyone when he fights or in his overall assessment as a fighter.
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Lets just wait for the next fight and see who them got grit. For now Im going with both guys. But we'll know soon enough if this is true.
But that temple-shot did hurt him bad and he never recoverd from that. And yeah, Aj also toke pride in that Ruiz had to work some more to take him out.
Hope the next fight will be awesome thou. And that both of them gets payed good for it.
Eddie is also going hard on the A-side game since AJ still got a big name and brings in loads off causal fans among other thing. But Ruiz is getting there.
Funny thing is many of the same people who are so quick to write guys off as finished and sh!t on them after a loss will also say fighters care too much about their 0 and complain about the top guys not taking risks to fight each other. Hmm, I wonder why there would be such aversion to a loss....
There is no thing as a lucky punch, Ruiz threw it and it done the job. Unfortunate for AJ yes but not lucky. However in HW boxing anyone can be hurt and anyone can be beat, it’s how you come back that matters.
It's clearly not a lucky punch but I think psychogically he has to come up with a reason which isn't simply "he's better than me". This isn't really about a narrative of what happened but his prep for the next fight and
From that perspective he has to convince himself he is the better man. Of course we aren't in the same position so can see through it.
Joshua’s always been open when going in for the kill. Ruiz didn’t throw one punch like Dillian Whyte, and he didn’t spend the bulk of the contest throwing feints like Wladimir Klitschko. He came forward methodically, chose his shots carefully - and used two key punches, right cross to the chin & left hook to the temple. This totally scrambled Joshua and Ruiz applied pressure, forced Joshua into further mistakes - especially his reaching and leaning in - & used more right cross/left hook combos. Just by being a solid, strong and mature pro, Ruiz made Joshua appear the upright amateur.
Kind of reminded me of Schmeling-Louis, how one guy was made to pay repeatedly for sloppy little mistakes (in that case, Schmeling timing Louis’ lazy jab with right crosses).
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 08:53
Funny thing is many of the same people who are so quick to write guys off as finished and sh!t on them after a loss will also say fighters care too much about their 0 and complain about the top guys not taking risks to fight each other. Hmm, I wonder why there would be such aversion to a loss....
And others of us are pissed because AJ is blowing an opportunity to show greatness. Just shut up; train hard and win the rematch. All his fussing he does is distracting him from his job. Lennox showed his greatness when he was all fired up almost immediately after being KO'd by Rahman and came back with determination and blew him out of the water. AJ is on a different path it seems.
Joshua could avoid this punch if he didn't rush on Ruiz and could possibly (but unlikely imo) stop him, i guess that is what he means... But Ruiz won fair and Square, looking for excuses all the time is pathetic in this case.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 08:53
Funny thing is many of the same people who are so quick to write guys off as finished and sh!t on them after a loss will also say fighters care too much about their 0 and complain about the top guys not taking risks to fight each other. Hmm, I wonder why there would be such aversion to a loss....
And others of us are pissed because AJ is blowing an opportunity to show greatness. Just shut up; train hard and win the rematch. All his fussing he does is distracting him from his job. Lennox showed his greatness when he was all fired up almost immediately after being KO'd by Rahman and came back with determination and blew him out of the water. AJ is on a different path it seems.
It comes down to what happens in the ring, he's not blowing much at all until then. If he comes back and dominates Ruiz that means way more than anything he's said, no matter how many threads were started
And the point still stands, even hardcore fans who scream about guys not taking risks and protecting records will still sh!t all over fighters as soon as they lose.
And others of us are pissed because AJ is blowing an opportunity to show greatness. Just shut up; train hard and win the rematch. All his fussing he does is distracting him from his job. Lennox showed his greatness when he was all fired up almost immediately after being KO'd by Rahman and came back with determination and blew him out of the water. AJ is on a different path it seems.
It comes down to what happens in the ring, he's not blowing much at all until then. If he comes back and dominates Ruiz that means way more than anything he's said, no matter how many threads were started
And the point still stands, even hardcore fans who scream about guys not taking risks and protecting records will still sh!t all over fighters as soon as they lose.
I don't know. We (in the US) love comeback stories.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 14:31
Ya, and the guy will probably get sh@t on until he bounces back and shows that he wasn't a worthless, sad, pathetic case and an overrated fruad.
He's taking crap because of the stupid stuff he is saying. Not so much for losing. IMHO. At least with me anyway.
I mean there has been agreement by several posters here including yourself that he's finished. That just because of these interviews? I mean loads of fighters make excuses and talk funny too , it's probably the norm. If he complained of a sore shoulder and that he came in too heavy and that Ruiz got lucky with the ref would that be less daming or pathetic?
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 14:46
I mean there has been agreement by several posters here including yourself that he's finished. That just because of these interviews? I mean loads of fighters make excuses and talk funny too , it's probably the norm. If he complained of a sore shoulder and that he came in too heavy and that Ruiz got lucky with the ref would that be less daming or pathetic?
For me it's how he's responding. I don't know for sure until the rematch, but his behaviour is unexpected in my eyes. Changing stories and 'excuses.' His videos he's been putting out. Getting involved with Lewis. I don't know. Just strange for a fighter who many were hailing as the next great HW. My only opinion of him in the rematch is that he doesn't appear to be focused on that as much as he should and I wouldn't be surprised for a repeat of the first fight, assuming Ruiz isn't letting all this go to his head.
To be honest AJ is a sore loser a lot like Pacquiao was. Pac, for instance, with his last 3 losses gave excuses like bad shoulder, bad judges, and lucky punch. It's pretty lame when the once most respected boxers come up with excuses as to why they lost, instead of taking the higher road.
There are lots and lots of poor excuses, but hopefully from here on out we will not hear them from guys like AJ.
My impression is that, after the third round, AJ discovered that he couldn't use his jab to penetrate Ruiz's guard. I really believe that. Not being able to use that jab meant that AJ couldn't create openings for his bombs, and worse yet, he couldn't fend Ruiz off or outbox him.
My sense is that, after the third, you could literally see the self-confidence drain from AJ. He had been hurt badly in the third, and he knew he couldn't beat Ruiz to the punch during the exchanges of blows. That left just one option for AJ: to back up and box. But even that option failed because Ruiz's defense neutralized AJ's jab.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think AJ will be damaged goods for the rematch. I don't expect his self-confidence to recover based on what happened in the first bout.
JohnReed wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 15:36
My impression is that, after the third round, AJ discovered that he couldn't use his jab to penetrate Ruiz's guard. I really believe that. Not being able to use that jab meant that AJ couldn't create openings for his bombs, and worse yet, he couldn't fend Ruiz off or outbox him.
My sense is that, after the third, you could literally see the self-confidence drain from AJ. He had been hurt badly in the third, and he knew he couldn't beat Ruiz to the punch during those short and medium distance exchanges. That left just one option for AJ: to back up and box. But even that option failed because Ruiz's defense neutralized AJ's jab.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think AJ will be damaged goods for the rematch. I don't expect his self-confidence to recover based on what happened in the first bout.
He certainly hasn't given any indication that he can manage to rebound from that fight mentally. And he won't be able to learn how to fight off his back foot over the next several months, so you might be correct on your outlook.
