Usyk vs Fedosov Oct 12th

[Rgoodwin]

According to BS

https://www.BS.com/forums/show ... p?t=824966

[Enlightened-One]

Why is Oleksandr Usyk facing a guy like Andrey Fedosov, an opponent with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws)?

I'm not sure if this fight is legit or not. It doesn't seem to be an appropriate bout for Usyk's heavyweight debut.

[gilgamesh]

Big step down from Takam, but I'm not judging Usyk harshly for whoever he fights in his Heavyweight Debut. I'm sure the competition will be stepping up appropriately in short order.

[margaret thatcher]

Why is Oleksandr Usyk facing a guy like Andrey Fedosov, an opponent with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws)?

I'm not sure if this fight is legit or not. It doesn't seem to be an appropriate bout for Usyk's heavyweight debut.

I agree, disappointing, who would you recommend

[KiwiRider]

I'm giving Usyk a pass.
1, long layoff
2, moving up
3, recovering from injury

Let him batter Fedosov about and see how his bicep holds up and how he feels at HW, and let him get rounds in and shake off any ring rust. Then judge his second HW opponent

[Rgoodwin]

I don't think there was a lot available to be honest

[Enlightened-One]

Why is Oleksandr Usyk facing a guy like Andrey Fedosov, an opponent with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws)?

I'm not sure if this fight is legit or not. It doesn't seem to be an appropriate bout for Usyk's heavyweight debut.

I agree, disappointing, who would you recommend

Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Jarrell Miller, Adam Kownacki, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, David Price etc.

Surely there must be somebody available that is better than Andrey Fedosov?

[Rgoodwin]

I agree, disappointing, who would you recommend

Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Jarrell Miller, Adam Kownacki, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, David Price etc.

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Jarrell Miller, Adam Kownacki, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, David Price etc.

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Whilst I understand the preferred narrative is that Oleksandr Usyk’s matchmaking is utterly flawless, in that the Ukraine always faces the very best available opposition, it would be deeply-flawed for any moderately intelligent individual to dishonestly claim that there isn’t anyone else better for him to face other than Andrey Fedosov.

There’s no point in you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Whyte and Miller are free to fight. Pulev isn’t receiving a title-shot anytime soon (as per the IBF’s recent judgement), Parker and Chisora hasn’t been scheduled yet (it might not even happen), there’s no evidence to suggest that Rivas wont face another member of the Matchroom stable anytime soon, PBC fighters have regularly faced Eddie Hearn’s guys (in fact Matchroom actually promotes several Haymon fighters) and Price has a better resume than Fedosov.

I could do this all day, so I do look forward to your counter-argument, which seems to support the bizarre notion about Andrey Fedosov being a world-beater! FFS!

[Rgoodwin]

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Whilst I understand the preferred narrative is that Oleksandr Usyk’s matchmaking is utterly flawless, in that the Ukraine always faces the very best available opposition, it would be deeply-flawed for any moderately intelligent individual to dishonestly claim that there isn’t anyone else better for him to face other than Andrey Fedosov.

There’s no point in you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Whyte and Miller are free to fight. Pulev isn’t receiving a title-shot anytime soon (as per the IBF’s recent judgement), Parker and Chisora hasn’t been scheduled yet (it might not even happen), there’s no evidence to suggest that Rivas wont face another member of the Matchroom stable anytime soon, PBC fighters have regularly faced Eddie Hearn’s guys (in fact Matchroom actually promotes several Haymon fighters) and Price has a better resume than Fedosov.

I could do this all day, so I do look forward to your counter-argument, which seems to support the bizarre notion about Andrey Fedosov being a world-beater! FFS!

It's an introductory fight in to a new division. I don't understand your claims about my supposed claims. Fedosov is a gatekeeper.

[gilgamesh]

Whyte and Miller have controversies to deal with. Pulev ain't risking his mandatory position. Parker and Chisora will be fighting each other. Rivas isn't going to work with Matchroom again lol. Joyce is with Warren, Kownacki with Haymon. Price would be a UK fight.

Whilst I understand the preferred narrative is that Oleksandr Usyk’s matchmaking is utterly flawless, in that the Ukraine always faces the very best available opposition, it would be deeply-flawed for any moderately intelligent individual to dishonestly claim that there isn’t anyone else better for him to face other than Andrey Fedosov.

There’s no point in you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Whyte and Miller are free to fight. Pulev isn’t receiving a title-shot anytime soon (as per the IBF’s recent judgement), Parker and Chisora hasn’t been scheduled yet (it might not even happen), there’s no evidence to suggest that Rivas wont face another member of the Matchroom stable anytime soon, PBC fighters have regularly faced Eddie Hearn’s guys (in fact Matchroom actually promotes several Haymon fighters) and Price has a better resume than Fedosov.

I could do this all day, so I do look forward to your counter-argument, which seems to support the bizarre notion about Andrey Fedosov being a world-beater! FFS!

For your 1st fight in a new weight class, coming off an injury, when you're not a World Champion of any sort, you don't know owe anybody anything as far as who you fight.

Fedosov is a reasonably good opponent. No world beater obviously, but it's just the first step in the weight class. His next opponent after Fedosov will undoubtedly be of higher stock.

Give the guy a break. He likely is fighting for a World Title or at least a major contender within 3 to 4 fights in the division. Which will take no more than a year and a half at worst.

[Enlightened-One]

Fedosov is a gatekeeper.

OK, so here's the definition of the term "gatekeeper":

"A gatekeeper is a skillful and well-regarded fighter, but one who does not have the popularity or brilliance of a title contender. They are considered to be a cut above most journeymen. A gatekeeper will often have an impressive record in terms of wins versus losses but will have a difficult time getting people behind them and especially obtaining promotion."

So how does this apply to Fedosov, a Russian who openly admitted to ducking Deontay Wilder?

[gilgamesh]

Fedosov is a gatekeeper.

OK, so here's the definition of the term "gatekeeper":

"A gatekeeper is a skillful and well-regarded fighter, but one who does not have the popularity or brilliance of a title contender.They are considered to be a cut above most journeymen. A gatekeeper will often have an impressive record in terms of wins versus losses but will have a difficult time getting people behind them and especially obtaining promotion."

So how does this apply to Fedosov, a Russian who openly admitted to ducking Deontay Wilder?

I'd say it applies to Fedosov pretty much spot on.

He has a lot more wins vs losses. He is a cut above "most" journeymen. He has a difficult time getting people behind him and obtaining promotion.

He literally checks almost every box there, except for perhaps skillful and well-regarded. That being said, I wouldn't think he's any worse than say David Allen or someone like that.

[Enlightened-One]

For your 1st fight in a new weight class, coming off an injury, when you're not a World Champion of any sort, you don't know owe anybody anything as far as who you fight.

Fedosov is a reasonably good opponent. No world beater obviously, but it's just the first step in the weight class. His next opponent after Fedosov will undoubtedly be of higher stock.

Give the guy a break. He likely is fighting for a World Title or at least a major contender within 3 to 4 fights in the division. Which will take no more than a year and a half at worst.

Somebody asked me who I’d preferred Oleksandr Usyk to make his pro debut against and I provided a list of top-fifteen world-rated fighters that were available.

When they dishonestly claimed the names I mentioned were unavailable to face Usyk, I dispelled the myth they were trying to perpetuate.

I feel that my claim about Andrey Fedosov being a fighter with only a very superficially impressive resume that is padded due to facing journeymen (i.e. the total combined record of all his opponents is: 392 wins; 234 losses; with 20 draws) is entirely accurate.

I also believe that it’s not unreasonable to be disappointed about Usyk facing a guy like Fedosov when he’s been previously linked (for a long time) to a competitive genuine fringe contender like Carlos Takam.

Even though I'm an Oleksandr Usyk fan, I'm not going to give him a free pass for facing someone like Andrey Fedosov.

[ldlamb]

Yeah, I’d say it describes Fedosov perfectly.

[Enlightened-One]

OK, so here's the definition of the term "gatekeeper":

"A gatekeeper is a skillful and well-regarded fighter, but one who does not have the popularity or brilliance of a title contender.They are considered to be a cut above most journeymen. A gatekeeper will often have an impressive record in terms of wins versus losses but will have a difficult time getting people behind them and especially obtaining promotion."

So how does this apply to Fedosov, a Russian who openly admitted to ducking Deontay Wilder?

I'd say it applies to Fedosov pretty much spot on.

He has a lot more wins vs losses. He is a cut above "most" journeymen. He has a difficult time getting people behind him and obtaining promotion.

He literally checks almost every box there, except for perhaps skillful and well-regarded. That being said, I wouldn't think he's any worse than say David Allen or someone like that.

I’d be disappointed if Oleksandr Usyk faced Dave Allen or someone of a similar calibre, but at least we agree about the Russian being a journeyman, even if he’s slightly better than most.

[margaret thatcher]

I asked who you'd recommend, I wasn't the guy saying they weren't available though

[Enlightened-One]

I asked who you'd recommend, I wasn't the guy saying they weren't available though

Apologies, you’re absolutely correct!

You did ask who I’d prefer Usyk to face and I promptly answered your question and then someone else dishonestly claimed the names I’d listed were unavailable.

I apologise if I’ve accidently misrepresented the thoughts you’d conveyed in one of your posts.

[Rgoodwin]

Usyk should fight a PED cheat like Whyte or Miller lol. Wilder vs Ortiz doesn't have an official date, Usyk should be fighting one of them for his HW debut I suppose.

[Rgoodwin]

I asked who you'd recommend, I wasn't the guy saying they weren't available though

Apologies, you’re absolutely correct!

You did ask who I’d prefer Usyk to face and I promptly answered your question and then someone else dishonestly claimed the names I’d listed were unavailable.

I apologise if I’ve accidently misrepresented the thoughts you’d conveyed in one of your posts.

I was the one being realistic, you were the one quick to cry and behave like Arum was gonna send over Pulev or Haymon was gonna send over Kownacki.

[victor-romeo]

Fedosov can fight a little bit, and if Usyk doesn't come focused will run into problems..

[oogiebe]

Fedesov will be a year out from his last fight. Don't see Usyk having much problem with him. Decent first foray, I guess.

[oogiebe]

I'm giving Usyk a pass.
1, long layoff
2, moving up
3, recovering from injury

Let him batter Fedosov about and see how his bicep holds up and how he feels at HW, and let him get rounds in and shake off any ring rust. Then judge his second HW opponent

Yuppers.

[victor-romeo]

Some opponents Wilder has fought in the last three years :
Brezale, Stiverene, Washington, Szpilka, Gavern.

Some opponents Fury has fought in the last three years or going to fight next:
Wallin, Tom Schwarz, Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi

Fedosov is as good as any of those and this is for Usyk his first fight at heavy weight coming off an injury not bad..

[oogiebe]

Some opponents Wilder has fought in the last three years :
Brezale, Stiverene, Washington, Szpilka, Gavern.

Some opponents Fury has fought in the last three years or going to fight next:
Wallin, Tom Schwarz, Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi

Fedosov is as good as any of those and this is for Usyk his first fight at heavy weight coming off an injury not bad..

Well done! Great perspective.