BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hrgović vs Heredia

[dagilechia]

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 28(20) 0 1 - next fight: 14.09.2019 vs Otto Wallin - 20(13) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #46)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 09.11.2019 vs Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (#4)

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - (#3)

5. Dillian Whyte - 26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: 31.08.2019 vs Hughie Fury - 23(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #21)

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 09.11.2019 vs Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Dereck Chisora - 31(22) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Filip Hrgović - 9(7) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Question: How are the rankings affected by Filip Hrgović's (#13) KO 3 win over Mario Heredia (unranked, BoxRec's #49)?

My vote: Hrgović to #12, Heredia remains unranked.

[DrDuke]

No change, cause Heredia wasn't even near to the top.

[tiny_acres]

No change, cause Heredia wasn't even near to the top.

X2

[oogiebe]

No change. Unimpressive victory over Heredia. Hrgovic needs a step up fight. Last two wins were meaningless.

[margaret thatcher]

Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15

[oogiebe]

Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15

I agree now. He shouldn't.

[dagilechia]

Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15

should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?

[oogiebe]

Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15

should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?

I think that's more of he shouldn't have been there int he first place. Based solely on this performance, he shouldn't go down in the rankings.

[margaret thatcher]

Hrg shouldn't even be in the top 15

should i count this post as ''Hrgović out'' vote?

I'm still thinking. I would vote him out but I know there is some standard here by where we except their current position. I will probably vote him out in the end though cus I feel that's where he should be.

IMO his opposition doesn't merit a spot and he has looked lacklustre a good few times to me.

[Jonny22Kupfer]

Hrgović to 11

[morm]

Hrgovic to 11

[conan_the_cribber]

No change. Stays at 13.

Heredia is garbage, but somehow fluked a win against a shot Sam Peter. This win means absolutely zero.

[KiwiRider]

No change. Unimpressive victory over Heredia. Hrgovic needs a step up fight. Last two wins were meaningless.

X2
If it was a dominant display, maybe. Thing is, he would be taking the spot from Chisora- who is on a bit of a roll right now.
Chisora knocked out Takem-only Povitkin can claim that feat.

Flippa hasn't done anything like that yet.

[Lennox]

What absolute total chaos. So many different opinions, people voting him up, voting him out of the top 15, and no change.

You can see why ratings get in such a mess.

Surely you have to respect his initial rating and decide from there.

You can't vote him out after a win (unless the performance was exceptionally poor) or the decision by the judges was way out.

IMO he should just stay the same as the fight was insignificant.

[conan_the_cribber]

What absolute total chaos. So many different opinions, people voting him up, voting him out of the top 15, and no change.

You can see why ratings get in such a mess.

Surely you have to respect his initial rating and decide from there.

You can't vote him out after a win (unless the performance was exceptionally poor) or the decision by the judges was way out.

IMO he should just stay the same as the fight was insignificant.

A bit harsh don't you think.

a) there are no explicit rules to this list apart from "only the last fighters in the last fight can be re-rated"
b) anyone, including people who didn't vote for his initial rating can vote - maybe they have a different opinion.
c) as you state, up, down or out are plausible based on judging his performance.

However, that said, I do agree in principle with what the Association of Boxing Commissions state in their guidelines,

- that a winning boxing cannot go down
- that the only reasons for kicking someone out is inactivity of loss.
- that the only reasons for promoting are wins or activity

But hey, it's just for fun here.

[ironbeard]

Hrgovic to 14.

[Belanio]

My vote: Hrgović out, Heredia remains unranked.

[Lackeos]

No change

You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."

[Belanio]

No change

You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."

Maybe we just think Hrgovič never belonged in the rankings.

[morm]

No change

You could move a fighter down with a win. If he seriously managed a 7-5 win against a journeyman, it'd be sensible to consider moving him down. But to move him down 2 or more spots for a third round stoppage against Heredia is silly. What would Hrgovic need to do to maintain his ranking? One-punch KO in the first round? 100-85 decision victory? Like... sh*t, y'all are ridiculous. Third round KO is almost as decisive as it gets. 2 years ago, Kabayel went the full 12 rounds distance against Herbe Huveaux. Breazeale went the full ten rounds distance against Fred Kassi. I feel like people on boxrec sometimes act like they've never seen boxing before and don't know what to expect. Like "Heredia isn't that good, so I expect Hrgovic to knock him out in the negative fourth round, and if it takes any longer than that, then I'll be disappointed."

Agree, but however with the next fight Hrgovic move into the top 10

[dagilechia]

The voting is over.

Filip Hrgović remains at #13.

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 28(20) 0 1 - next fight: 14.09.2019 vs Otto Wallin - 20(13) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #46)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 23.11.2019 vs Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (#4)

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - (#3)

5. Dillian Whyte - 26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: 31.08.2019 vs Hughie Fury - 23(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #22)

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 23.11.2019 vs Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 26.10.2019 vs Dereck Chisora - 31(22) 9(3) 0 - (#12)

10. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Dereck Chisora - 31(22) 9(3) 0 - next fight: 26.10.2019 vs Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - (#9)

13. Filip Hrgović - 9(7) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Worth of mention fights:

Sergey Kuzmin - 15(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs Michael Hunter - 17(12) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #36) - 13.09.2019
Oleksandr Usyk - 16(12) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #1 at CW) vs Tyrone Spong - 13(12) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #69) - 12.10.2019