THERE IS ONE FIGHTER WHO NEVER SUFFERED A CUT IN OVER 250 AMATUER AND PRO FIGHTS

[Joel Day Daitch]

HE WAS THE #1 LIGHTWEIGHT AND WELTERWEIGHT CONTENDER. HE FOUGHT HENRY ARMSTRONG IN PLACE OF PEDRO MONTANEZ WHO BACKED OUT TEN DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT FOR THE WEL. TITLE. BOTH COMBATANTS WERE LIGHT WEIGHTS, ARMSTRONG DIDN'T WANT TO RISK HIS LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE. ARMSTRONG WON THE FIGHT VIA A TKO 2:49 IN THE 12TH RD. DAVEY FOUGHT ARMSTRONG HALF THE FIGHT HANDICAPPED WITH ONE CLOSED EYE AND OTHER JUST A SQUINT LEADING UP TO THE 10 RD. IN THE EIGHTH RD. ARMSTRONG SUFFERED A DEEP GASH TO HIS LEFT EYE, REFEREE CALLED THE NY COMMISSION DOCTOR TO EXAMINE HANK'S EYE, AND LET IT CONTINUE. AFTER THE FIGHT HENRY WENT TO THE HOSPITAL WITH A BROKEN RIGHT HAND PLACED IN A CAST, FOUR STITCHES IN HIS EYE LED, BADLY BRUISED RIGHT HAND, CUT LIP, RIGHT SIDE OF HIS FACE LOOKED LIKE RAW MEAT WITH BRUISES. DAVEY DAY WENT BACK TO CHICAGO WITH SORE EYE. PIAN AND WINCH DAY'S MANAGERS OFFERED ARMSTRONG $35,000 FOR REMATCH IN CHICAGO, WITH $ 100,000 GATE. ARMSTRONG PASSED. DAY FOUGHT AMBER'S IN A NON TITLE FIGHT AND LOU TOOK A BEATING, AND was SAVED BY THE BELL. DAY GOT THE REFEREES NOD AND LOST IN A SD. AMBER'S WAS OFFERED $35,000 AND HE TOO TURNED IT DOWN IN 1939 FOR TITLE. THE N.B.A STRIPPED AMBER'S OF HIS TITLE ON 3/22/1940 FOR NOT FIGHTING DAY. YOU CAN ADD TONY CANZONERI JENKINS, ZIVIC TO THE LIST THAT WOULDN'T FIGHT MR. DAY. THERE IS A GREAT STORY ON THE FIGHTERS OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF BOXING, INCLUDING PICTURES.
IT IS ON EBAY, SEARCH "HENRY ARMSTRONG VS. DAVEY DAY' DAVEY GETTING OFF THE TRAIN WITH HIS MANAGER TO FIGHT PEDRO MONTANEZ NY 1939. YOU CAN ALSO READ UP ON THE FIGHT IN "THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS" ON THE INTERNET. NELSON ALGREN RENOWN AMERICAN WRITER, AUTHOR "THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM" CHICAGO FOLKLORE INTERVIEW WITH DAVEY DAY AFTER HIS FIGHT WITH ARMSTRONG. DAVEY DAY NEVER SUFFERED A CUT EYE. NOBODY WANTED TO GET IN THE RING WITH HIM. MIKE JACOBS THE BOSS OF ALL FIGHTS IN NY WOULDN'T LET DAVEY FIGHT ANY OF HIS HOUSE CHAMPIONS. BY THE WAY, DAY FOUGHT BABY ARIZEMDI WHO TOOK A TERRIBLE BEATING, WINNING THE FIGHT WITH CUTS, AND DEEP GASH ACROSS THE BRIDGE OF HIS NOSE, THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. DAY WAS UNSCATHED, NOT A SCRATCH. HE TKO MONTANEZ WHO CAME IN AT 148 LBS. DAY 136. PEDRO NEARLY GOT HIS HEAD TAKEN OFF AND WAS NEVER THE SAME AFTER THE FIGHT. ARMSTRONG WAS TO FIGHT THE WINNER AND FOUGHT THE SOFTENED UP MONTANEZ COMPLIMENTS OF MR. DAY INSTEAD. PEACE.

[prewarboxing]

This might be quite an interesting post but I am not going to read it because of the capital letters. I feel as if I am being shouted at.

Miles Templeton

[Joel Day Daitch]

IT CERTAINLY DOES STAND OUT, MUCH EASIER TO SEE AND READ. I COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THIS EXTENSIVE NARRATIVE IN DIMINUTIVE LETTERS (CRAMMING ) IN TIGHT SPACE. SORRY YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY. "HAVE A NICE DAY".

[prewarboxing]

Good luck with your capital letters then. I think it is off-putting but there you go.

Miles Templeton

[Controversial]

To be fair I find it hard work to read it like that.

[Woller]

I simply could not read it, so I stopped before I was half way down. It was very interesting stuff, but I could not comprehend
what he was saying.

[Controversial]

This might be quite an interesting post but I am not going to read it because of the capital letters. I feel as if I am being shouted at.

Miles Templeton

I simply could not read it, so I stopped before I was half way down. It was very interesting stuff, but I could not comprehend
what he was saying.

Here you go, I changed the case in Word.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9452

He was the #1 lightweight and welterweight contender. He fought Henry Armstrong in place of Pedro Montanez who backed out ten days before the fight for the welterweight title. Both combatants were lightweights, Armstrong didn't want to risk his lightweight title. Armstrong won the fight via a TKO 2:49 in the 12th round.

Davey fought Armstrong half the fight handicapped with one closed eye and other just a squint leading up to the 10 round. In the eighth round Armstrong suffered a deep gash to his left eye, referee called the NY Commission doctor to examine Hank's eye, and let it continue. After the fight Henry went to the hospital with a broken right hand placed in a cast, four stitches in his eye led, badly bruised right hand, cut lip, right side of his face looked like raw meat with bruises.

Davey day went back to Chicago with sore eye. Pian and Winch Day's managers offered Armstrong $35,000 for rematch in Chicago, with $100,000 gate. Armstrong passed. Day fought Amber's in a non-title fight and Lou took a beating, and was saved by the bell.

Day got the referees nod and lost in a SD. Amber's was offered $35,000 and he too turned it down in 1939 for title. The NBA stripped Amber's of his title on 03/22/1940 for not fighting day. You can add Tony Canzoneri, Jenkins, Zivic to the list that wouldn't fight Mr Day.

There is a great story on the fighters of the golden age of boxing, including pictures.

It is on eBay, search "Henry Armstrong vs. Davey Day' Davey getting off the train with his manager to fight Pedro Montanez in NY 1939. You can also read up on the fight in "the library of congress" on the internet. Nelson Algren renowned American writer, author "the man with the golden arm" Chicago folklore interview with Davey Day after his fight with Armstrong.

Davey Day never suffered a cut eye. Nobody wanted to get in the ring with him. Mike Jacobs the boss of all fights in NY wouldn't let Davey fight any of his house champions. By the way, day fought Baby Arizemdi who took a terrible beating, winning the fight with cuts, and deep gash across the bridge of his nose, that he didn't have before. Day was unscathed, not a scratch. He TKO Montanez who came in at 148lbs. Day 136lbs. Pedro nearly got his head taken off and was never the same after the fight. Armstrong was to fight the winner and fought the softened up Montanez compliments of Mr. Day instead. Peace.

[prewarboxing]

Well done controversial. Much needed. I will give it a read!

Miles Templeton.

[prewarboxing]

This looks to me like other claims I have seen for boxers on here, Bert Gilroy especially.

So Day won the fight but the judges gave the decision the other way. He was robbed. He lost the fight but the other guy looked worse afterwards. He was injured. The other guy was saved by the bell, etc etc blah blah.

What is the basic point? That Day was good? Of course he was. That he was as good as Armstrong and Ambers but was just unlucky? Of course he wasn't.

So he never had a cut? Who says he didn't? I'll bet he did somewhere along the way. Have we read all of his early fight reports to verify this. I'll bet we haven't. Same with Jack Johnson.

Rather like Bert Gilroy, this seems to me to be an attempt to make Day look better than he actually was.

Miles Templeton.

[BoxBuzz]

The information was excellent!

But to be honest, I suffered bruises, abrasions, and emasculations as I wandered through the brutal capital letters.

There was pain, emotional overwhelmingness, psychic trauma as the evil and contemptuous Capital Letters relentlessly released their venomous and hostile sting upon my subconscious mind. I may never be the same.

With that said, though abrasions are similar in nature, they are NOT considered 'slices". so....after a full inventory of damage that I incurred as I ventured forward into the offensive and dangerous war zone.....in the end, much like the fighter in question... I did not suffer as single cut.

So, my character is stronger, I am better informed, and my immune system has improved. So though I may never be the same.....I may end up better for the experience.

Thank you......and good luck searching for the lower case control on your keyboard.

[prewarboxing]

[Joel Day Daitch]

Controversial, much appreciated. 'You ain't heard nothing yet' Thank you.

Box Buzz, glad to hear you made it through without suffering a cut, quite a feat. Congratulations.

Milos, you're fascinating to talk to on this interesting eye (not cut) opening topic. By the way , how would you rate, Ernie Roderick. Did you know that Eddie Mead, Armstrong's manager was going to cancel the fight, unless they applied two to three times the limit of gauze to Hank's mitts. Because Henry went to England with one broken hand and the other severely bruised, including a gashed left eyelid with four stitches, from Davey. It also, reminds me that they weren't fighting with six ounce gloves, check it out. Thank you.

[Controversial]

Controversial, much appreciated. 'You ain't heard nothing yet' Thank you.

No worries but where are you getting the information that Day never suffered a cut? Especially including his amateur career where fights are notoriously difficult/impossible to verify in that era? What was his amateur record?

[Joel Day Daitch]

Davey, won the 1931 Central A.A.U Featherweight Title, lustily beating Fritzie Zivic. Went on to the the finals in the (A.A.U)
National Amateur Athletic Union Tournament in New York, losing a close decision for the Championship to Tony Scarpati , a local boy. The astute firm of Sam Pian and Art Winch managers of Champion Barney Ross signed Davey to a five year contract. Davey became Barney's policemen / protectorate. You had to go through Davey to get a fight with Barney, and nobody could do it. Tony Canzoneri wanted to fight Ross a third time. Pian and Winch offered Tony a sealed contract for him to fight Davey first and win, to meet Ross for the Title. He wouldn't sign. Lou Amber's, Featherweight Champion Henry Armstrong and Pedro Montanez (1936 - 1938) refused to fight Day for a chance at Ross' Title. Pian and Winch made a deal with Mike Jacobs to bypass Davey and allowed Armstrong to fight Ross for the Welterweight Title for a big payday. Great Champion Jimmy McLarnin said Davey would of been Lightweight Champion if he wasn't in the same stable with Ross. Howling Joe Jacobs manager of Champion Max Schmeling offered Pian and Winch $7500.00 in 1935 for Davey's contract, saying, "you can't do Davey any good because you have Champion Barney Ross". Davey's not for sell! Davey was recognized thereafter as the assistant Lightweight Champion. Tony Scarpati died in the ring fighting Lou Amber's. Davey Day was surprised as Amber's didn't have a hard punch.

[Joel Day Daitch]

On the subject of Davey Day never suffered a cut eye, taken from his interview with Nelson Algren 4/39 after his fight with Armstrong. Here is the snippet of that interview;

"I never got a cut eye in my life, but in that twelfth Rd. I was prayin' He'd slice that eye wide open on me then I'd a been able to see through it. I might have gone on to win even, but I couldn't see at all, that's the reason the ref called it."

Read the entire interview in the Library of Congress, under 'Industrial Folklore of Chicago' eight pages by Nelson Algren.


Davey mentioned that his managers wanted to slice it open, "No dice, you ain't no Doctor's with plenty of gauze and nurses, I'll fight him the way I am. "They could have blinded me".

[scartissue]

Joel, years ago I was cruising down Kedzie Ave. in Chicago when I spotted your Dad's store. I was already way into boxing and knew who he was, so when I saw his name outside the store I almost caused an accident. I zip around the block, park the wheels and went in and had an absolutely great conversation with Davey. He told me that story of the Armstrong fight - how they wanted to slice open the swelling - and he refused. But he told me it was because one of his stablemates, Earl Mastro, had the same thing done to him and he went blind in the eye. So I certainly don't blame him. He showed me several pictures, including the Montanez stoppage and I had to laugh when he said to me, "Y'see this? This is what ex-fighters end up with. Scrapbooks." I thought he was a great guy. I think he said he lived in Chicago Ridge at the time.

[Joel Day Daitch]

I didn't know the part about Earl Mastro, thanks. Davey lived at 97th Ridgeland, Oak Lawn. The Luggage Shop was a great hang out, we had great card games in the back of the store. We use to go to Oak Lawn Restaurant a lot with Tony and wife Philomena Gianfrancisco Zale, who played in the Women's All American Professional Baseball League 1945-1949. She is honored in the Baseball hall of Fame and Museum in Cooperstown, NY. She was his manager. Davey and Tony coached in the CYO. Davey also was a boxing coach in the Chicago Park District. Gene Tunney enlisted Davey in the navy, as a Chief Athletic Instructor (boxing coach) at Great Lakes. Do you still live in the Chicago area. It was a pleasure to hear from you. Joel

[scartissue]

No problem, Joel. The text brought back memories of my conversation with your Dad. I think the only two things that bugged him from his tone was not getting the rematch with Armstrong ("Instead they give it to that English fella, Roderick.") and his reference to Sammy Angott as a 'bum'. I asked why he thought Angott was a bum and he said because all he did was clinch. Wow, that's a 43 year old memory and its still as clear as day (no pun intended). i'm not in the area anymore, but I recall the Oaklawn Restaurant too. That was a go to place after a night on the town in the wee hours of the morning. It was still on 95th Street the last time I was there.

[SteveO]

I simply could not read it, so I stopped before I was half way down. It was very interesting stuff, but I could not comprehend
what he was saying.

Same here.
Unreadable.

[Boxing187]

my friend said Bobby Pacho cut him

[Joel Day Daitch]

No, not even close, Davey fought Bobby (real tough guy) Pacho in 1935 and wasn't cut. However, Pacho did cut up Barney Ross his stablemate, verified (2/22/1935 newspapers.

[scartissue]

I read next day reports on this fight from both the AP and UP and there was no mention of anyone getting cut. The only other thing I saw was a blurb on boxrec stating Pacho was guilty of repeated butting. But again, no mention of cuts.

[Tony1244]

IT CERTAINLY DOES STAND OUT, MUCH EASIER TO SEE AND READ. I COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THIS EXTENSIVE NARRATIVE IN DIMINUTIVE LETTERS (CRAMMING ) IN TIGHT SPACE. SORRY YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY. "HAVE A NICE DAY".

The CAPS really are hard on the eyes. No offense.