Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑03 Sep 2019, 01:15
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:24
Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.
I never said Crawford was huge. He isn't. He's just not fighting anyone naturally 1-2 divisions heavier than he is, nor does he have the quality name's on his resume.
Crawford is awesome. He just gets a bit too much credit for cleaning out a weak division, and hasn't really made much noise at welterweight yet. Until Crawford actually does something to prove otherwise, such as beating the other elite welters, or beating a good fighter who's naturally bigger than him, then he's not getting ranked above Loma, Canelo, Usyk, Golovkin or Inoue on my list.
It's my list. It's subjective. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I just don't see it as a fair critique, to mark one fighter down vs another, based on showing more vulnerabilities, when that fighter has been fighting a higher level of opposition.
Jorge Linares also beat Luke Campbell, so I'm gonna go ahead and rank Linares and Lomachenko on equal footing p4p, because they both beat a fighter who was "naturally bigger than them," without regard for facts, like the fact that Campbell is a lightweight, and the fact that Campbell is not even that well-rated, despite his height. While I'm at it, the 11 fighters who beat 6' 1" Ali Funeka are all gods, because he was 6' 1", and therefore several divisions naturally bigger than the division he competed in. Jamal James is 6' 2", welterweight Yordenis Ugas beat him, Ugas is the goat. This is aside from the fact that when Ugas was born, he only weighed in the 7-pound division, and now he's beating dudes who are 6' 2" and who are naturally the size of cruiserweights. That's why you have to rank Ugas even higher than Lomachenko p4p. Guillermo Jones is a 6' 4" heavyweight. Super welterweight David Noel beat Guillermo Jones, who was naturally 5 divisions above him. This is why you really can't rank Lomachenko above David Noel p4p. It's all about the fake concept of whatever division you want to tell yourself a fighter belongs at, meanwhile ignoring the division he actually competes at, and his actually ranking within that division.
I've got to, again, agree with the OP on this one. Lomachenko fans are annoying as f*ck. They apparently think they have to make-up their own reality and logical system in order to even attribute any accomplishments to him. It would be weird if Pacquiao fans had conjectured that he beat a fighter who was naturally 7 divisions bigger than him, but I've never seen that stupid-ass argument being made, because boxing fans weren't stupid as f*ck until Lomachenko came around.
The fact is: Lomachenko, who had been steadily campaigning at lightweight for 4 straight fights and who is a typical height for a lightweight, and who weighed-in a quarter pound heavier than Campbell, beat the then #5 lightweight -- a guy with two other losses to lightweights who has a relatively thin resume in which he's beat a couple of opponents who were ranked in the #20-35 ranges. In his entire career, Campbell has never beaten a divisional top 15 opponent. This is serious equivalent to if Andre Ward beat Thomas Oosthuizen (6' 4") at 168 and people acted like that win was an accomplishment worthy of anointing a fighter p4p #1 status.
Come on man lets keep it real. guy has 3 belts at lighweight and defeated Jorge Linares..
is it too early to get excited for the MMA on the weekend haha