Why is Lomachenko vs Pacquiao at 147 difficult to make?

[halfamill]

Lomachenko has a height and age advantage over Pacquiao. Pacquiao is back on the top 10 pound for pound lists on TBRB, ESPN, and the RING. He holds a complete title and is a top 3 welterweight. Why won't Lomachenko and his team aim for greatness for just one welterweight fight? I understand not fighting Spence or Crawford since they walk around and hydrate at a higher weight but don't both Pacquiao and Lomachenko walk around the same weight?

[gilgamesh]

I would imagine Pac's team wouldn't be too crazy about it to be honest.

[gregregegg]

Pac cuts basically no water for welter, Loma cuts basically no water for lightweight. That's still a big size difference.
As for height advantage I'd love to see them next to each other. I think Lomas height is over listed in boxrec, but I don't know.
Great fight if they were a bit closer in weight. Mabey another 2 years of Pac aging Loma could at 147 but currently Pac too strong.

[sturm vogel]

Because Loma is not a welterweight and never will be unless he took PEDs but that won't be possible because his type is not allowed to used PEDs in boxing.

[Evander]

Way too far of a leap.
But if no one wants to know around him and Pacquiao offers some big coin then why not, what else is Lomachenko meant to do ?
With enough notice Lomachenko could make 147.

[Lackeos]

-I don't think Arum wants to risk the possibility of Lomachenko losing to Pacquiao.
-Pacquiao doesn't need to fight Lomachenko to make money. He could do that paired with anybody.
--Lomachenko isn't a blockbuster draw right now, so it's unlikely that a Pacquiao - Lomachenko pairing would make way more money than a typical Pacquiao fight.
-It's better for Lomachenko's hype / legacy / drawing power if he just unifies the lightweight division and attains undisputed status. He's literally only one fight away from possessing all of the big 4 belts at lightweight. I'm not trying to say that undisputed status has turned Crawford and Usyk into 8-figure cash cows, but it's a rare accomplishment that can only really help. Not to mention, if Lomachenko became undisputed at 135 and followed that up with becoming undisputed at 140, then he'd be a worldwide legend, so that's a good goal to try for.
-There's a few fighters out there with recent, official wins over Pacquiao, like Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. Beating Pacquiao has not translated to increased drawing power for any of the fighters who have beaten him, and that's increasingly true as he gets older.
-Lomachenko really isn't rushing to compete at 147, nor at 140. If he was, you'd be able to show me an example of him fighting at these weights. It's not something he does. 135 is the division his handlers want to campaign him at right now.
-When trying to become a multi-multi-weight champ like Mayweather, Pacquiao, SRL, Hearns, and DLH; it's a wise strategy not to skip around. Just do what you're gonna do at one weight division, then move-up and leave behind the previous division forever. Pacquiao skipped over the 140 division as a gimmick, and unfortunately never came back to obtain a title there, and that's why he's an 8-division champ instead of 9-division. I would've preferred if he took the divisions one-by-one instead of skipping over 140, and I think the same about the prospect of Lomachenko skipping 140.

This question is sort of like asking why Mayweather didn't fight Golovkin nor Sergio Martinez at 160. Because... he'd rather take-on smart match-ups that are the right fit instead of flushing away everything to take-on an extraordinarily risky, maybe even unwinnable match-up.

Related, this article depicts Vasyl's and Arum's reactions to the prospect of a Vasyl - Pacquiao pairing. Vasyl basically laughed it off as a silly suggestion. Paraphrasing Arum, he spun it as Vasyl aspires to be like Pacquiao, but that's still something we're not done building up to.
https://www.ibtimes.com/vasyl-lomachenk ... ks-2820973

Personally, I think a more realistic match-up weight-wise might be Lomachenko - Garcia. It's just a shame that Garcia doesn't have the momentum to sell that fight right now. If Garcia were sitting at 135 or 140 with some belts and a win streak, the conditions would be perfect for this match-up.

[Evander]

-I don't think Arum wants to risk the possibility of Lomachenko losing to Pacquiao.
-Pacquiao doesn't need to fight Lomachenko to make money. He could do that paired with anybody.
--Lomachenko isn't a blockbuster draw right now, so it's unlikely that a Pacquiao - Lomachenko pairing would make way more money than a typical Pacquiao fight.
-It's better for Lomachenko's hype / legacy / drawing power if he just unifies the lightweight division and attains undisputed status. He's literally only one fight away from possessing all of the big 4 belts at lightweight. I'm not trying to say that undisputed status has turned Crawford and Usyk into 8-figure cash cows, but it's a rare accomplishment that can only really help. Not to mention, if Lomachenko became undisputed at 135 and followed that up with becoming undisputed at 140, then he'd be a worldwide legend, so that's a good goal to try for.
-There's a few fighters out there with recent, official wins over Pacquiao, like Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. Beating Pacquiao has not translated to increased drawing power for any of the fighters who have beaten him, and that's increasingly true as he gets older.
-Lomachenko really isn't rushing to compete at 147, nor at 140. If he was, you'd be able to show me an example of him fighting at these weights. It's not something he does. 135 is the division his handlers want to campaign him at right now.
-When trying to become a multi-multi-weight champ like Mayweather, Pacquiao, SRL, Hearns, and DLH; it's a wise strategy not to skip around. Just do what you're gonna do at one weight division, then move-up and leave behind the previous division forever. Pacquiao skipped over the 140 division as a gimmick, and unfortunately never came back to obtain a title there, and that's why he's an 8-division champ instead of 9-division. I would've preferred if he took the divisions one-by-one instead of skipping over 140, and I think the same about the prospect of Lomachenko skipping 140.

This question is sort of like asking why Mayweather didn't fight Golovkin nor Sergio Martinez at 160. Because... he'd rather take-on smart match-ups that are the right fit instead of flushing away everything to take-on an extraordinarily risky, maybe even unwinnable match-up.

Related, this article depicts Vasyl's and Arum's reactions to the prospect of a Vasyl - Pacquiao pairing. Vasyl basically laughed it off as a silly suggestion. Paraphrasing Arum, he spun it as Vasyl aspires to be like Pacquiao, but that's still something we're not done building up to.
https://www.ibtimes.com/vasyl-lomachenk ... ks-2820973

What are you babbling about man just answer the question,
Quoting newspapers lends little credibility nowadays.
You'll get a much more honest response here for the most part.

[Lackeos]

What are you babbling about man just answer the question,

I did, so you're welcome.

[margaret thatcher]

Well for starts, you have PBC vs Top Rank and a 147 guy vs a 135 guy.

[Evander]

What are you babbling about man just answer the question,

I did, so you're welcome.

You know asking Lomachenko to move up is a massive risk.

[Lackeos]

I did, so you're welcome.

You know asking Lomachenko to move up is a massive risk.

Yeah. My post may have contained a lot of words, but among those words was a point about being a massive risk for Lomachenko.

[RichieKnightmare]

Canelo should cut some weight, Loma bulk up. Then we'd have a nice little fight at super welter/light middle...

[danconnollyeire]

Because Loma is not a welterweight and never will be unless he took PEDs but that won't be possible because his type is not allowed to used PEDs in boxing.

You have to have a certain body type to take drugs? Eh?

[sturm vogel]

Because Loma is not a welterweight and never will be unless he took PEDs but that won't be possible because his type is not allowed to used PEDs in boxing.

You have to have a certain body type to take drugs? Eh?

Certain PED users are either ignored mostly or their "punishment" was merely a tax deduction!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Canelo should cut some weight, Loma bulk up. Then we'd have a nice little fight at super welter/light middle...

Loma would be outweighed by 30npounds or more.

Ludicrous idea

[Heretic]

-I don't think Arum wants to risk the possibility of Lomachenko losing to Pacquiao.
-Pacquiao doesn't need to fight Lomachenko to make money. He could do that paired with anybody.
--Lomachenko isn't a blockbuster draw right now, so it's unlikely that a Pacquiao - Lomachenko pairing would make way more money than a typical Pacquiao fight.
-It's better for Lomachenko's hype / legacy / drawing power if he just unifies the lightweight division and attains undisputed status. He's literally only one fight away from possessing all of the big 4 belts at lightweight. I'm not trying to say that undisputed status has turned Crawford and Usyk into 8-figure cash cows, but it's a rare accomplishment that can only really help. Not to mention, if Lomachenko became undisputed at 135 and followed that up with becoming undisputed at 140, then he'd be a worldwide legend, so that's a good goal to try for.
-There's a few fighters out there with recent, official wins over Pacquiao, like Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. Beating Pacquiao has not translated to increased drawing power for any of the fighters who have beaten him, and that's increasingly true as he gets older.
-Lomachenko really isn't rushing to compete at 147, nor at 140. If he was, you'd be able to show me an example of him fighting at these weights. It's not something he does. 135 is the division his handlers want to campaign him at right now.
-When trying to become a multi-multi-weight champ like Mayweather, Pacquiao, SRL, Hearns, and DLH; it's a wise strategy not to skip around. Just do what you're gonna do at one weight division, then move-up and leave behind the previous division forever. Pacquiao skipped over the 140 division as a gimmick, and unfortunately never came back to obtain a title there, and that's why he's an 8-division champ instead of 9-division. I would've preferred if he took the divisions one-by-one instead of skipping over 140, and I think the same about the prospect of Lomachenko skipping 140.

This question is sort of like asking why Mayweather didn't fight Golovkin nor Sergio Martinez at 160. Because... he'd rather take-on smart match-ups that are the right fit instead of flushing away everything to take-on an extraordinarily risky, maybe even unwinnable match-up.

Related, this article depicts Vasyl's and Arum's reactions to the prospect of a Vasyl - Pacquiao pairing. Vasyl basically laughed it off as a silly suggestion. Paraphrasing Arum, he spun it as Vasyl aspires to be like Pacquiao, but that's still something we're not done building up to.
https://www.ibtimes.com/vasyl-lomachenk ... ks-2820973

Personally, I think a more realistic match-up weight-wise might be Lomachenko - Garcia. It's just a shame that Garcia doesn't have the momentum to sell that fight right now. If Garcia were sitting at 135 or 140 with some belts and a win streak, the conditions would be perfect for this match-up.

Here is an idea... What if "beating" Pacman on the score cards but loosing in the eyes of fans did not raise ones profile as much as legitimately beating Pacman would do?

What if it was actually the opposite and beating him that way could actually damage ones reputation?

If Loma would school Manny in the ring I think he would get load of credit and new fans.

In my opinions they are operating in too different weight classes at the moment so the match does not make much sense currently.

It would still be sweet match to see

[dagilechia]

I'd prefer to see Inoue going some weights up, Loma going down, and the Lomachenko vs Inoue fight in 2021, at feather or super feather.

[Onetimeonly]

[gilgamesh]

I'd prefer to see Inoue going some weights up, Loma going down, and the Lomachenko vs Inoue fight in 2021, at feather or super feather.

That's just insane. Inoue started out at 115, and even now is still 4 weight classes below Loma. No way in hell this ever happens.

The biggest potential matchups that they'd possibly be able to make for him are Mikey Garcia, Berchelt and Tank Davis...and I get the feeling Tank wants no part of him.

[TheLeprechaun]

Loma would get starched

[gilgamesh]

Loma would get starched

By the Pac who's scored 1 KO win in the last decade? Yeah...I doubt it.

[danconnollyeire]

Loma would get starched

By the Pac who's scored 1 KO win in the last decade? Yeah...I doubt it.

He's not 'starched' anyone since Hatton lol

[chinarich]

Pac cuts basically no water for welter, Loma cuts basically no water for lightweight. That's still a big size difference.
As for height advantage I'd love to see them next to each other. I think Lomas height is over listed in boxrec, but I don't know.
Great fight if they were a bit closer in weight. Mabey another 2 years of Pac aging Loma could at 147 but currently Pac too strong.

I think you’re correct. Lomachenko looked more than the boxrec listed two inches shorter than Campbell when they had their face off photos, he’s probably only marginally taller than Pacquiao...

[squiggy]

I think Pacquiao's career has really wacked out people's ideas about how much we can reasonably expect continued dominance over numerous weight classes. "If that guy's really good I wanna see him beat Crawford and Spence, then Williams and Hurd, then Golovkin and Alvarez, then Callum Smith, then Gvozdyk and Kovalev." I mean, come on.

[gilgamesh]

I think Pacquiao's career has really wacked out people's ideas about how much we can reasonably expect continued dominance over numerous weight classes. "If that guy's really good I wanna see him beat Crawford and Spence, then Williams and Hurd, then Golovkin and Alvarez, then Callum Smith, then Gvozdyk and Kovalev." I mean, come on.

Given his struggles as a Lightweight I think Loma would be pushing it too far if he even tried 140 to be honest.