Classic fights I've watched recently

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That was a deadly low blow/head shot. Foreman also ended coetzer in a violent way. He was the kind of tough and serviceable fringe guy the game lacks now.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 01 Sep 2019, 16:18 That was a deadly low blow/head shot. Foreman also ended coetzer in a violent way. He was the kind of tough and serviceable fringe guy the game lacks now.
Also your typical SA heavyweight, reasonably skilled and very tough. Always came forward and always provided a good fight, never boring.
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hhaehre wrote: 02 Sep 2019, 03:05
Onetimeonly wrote: 01 Sep 2019, 16:18 That was a deadly low blow/head shot. Foreman also ended coetzer in a violent way. He was the kind of tough and serviceable fringe guy the game lacks now.
Also your typical SA heavyweight, reasonably skilled and very tough. Always came forward and always provided a good fight, never boring.
I'm surprised ive never really heard anyone mention this fight before, it was quality action from start to finish
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Riddick Bowe vs Michael Dokes



Bowe stops Dokes in the 1st round to retain his World Heavyweight title, Dokes down once before the ref stepped in, infact Dokes didn't actually touch down but for the first KD, Bowe shook him with a right then followed up with a left to send Dokes collapsing into the ropes which held him up, right call to award Bowe a knockdown,, Dokes was pretty much done after that and although he shipped some big shots without going down, he was teetering on the brink getting nailed clean when the ref stepped in, might have been a tad early but no doubt Dokes was on shaky legs trapped in the corner
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Riddick Bowe vs Buster Mathis Jr



Non title Heavyweight fight ends in a NC after Bowe hit Mathis Jr when he was down in the 4th round, not a great fight to watch, Mathis Jr was just too small to offer anything offensively and done a lot of holding, Bowe was massive in comparison an jabbed Marthis and set him up for the right hand, he struggled a bit punching downwards but was finding the range more as the fight went on but in the 4th he hurt Mathis Jr with a right hand and as he dropped to a knee Bowe clocked him with another right which sent Mathis Jr sprawled on his back when it was stopped, not the worst foul in the world but defo a touch late
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Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide



Bowe stops a brave but exhausted Hide in 6 rounds to become World Heavyweight champ, Hide down 10 times in all but only 7 scored knockdowns, Hide started off bright and took the first 2 rounds by outworking Bowe who threw next to nothing, Hide was outfighting Bowe as well in the 3rd but got cuffed around the neck when Bowe missed with a right and went down and was badly hurt, he looked groggy and Bowe put him down twice in the round, first was mostly overwhelmed with shots but he was dropped heavy for the second KD with a right uppercut

Hide was down twice more in the 4th and once again in the 5th, he kept getting up and trying to fight it out with Bowe but he was too small, he was dropped twice more in the 6th, it looked like the first knockdown he just voluntary went down after a Bowe right hand was avoided, the finishing KD was a solid right hand and the ref finally stopped it, one of those mad fights, Bowe wasn't great but he scored 7 knockdowns
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Cornelius Boza Edwards vs Rafael Limon



Edwards beats Limon by UD over 15 rounds to become World Super Featherweight champion, cracker of a fight, a war from start to finish, 2 southpaws don't always gel but this one did no end, all the action took place in the centre of the ring and the ref barely had to get involved, only to deduct a point off Limon in the 13th for a low blow which was a long time coming in all fairness, Edwards was class, the boxer of the 2 men, he was jabbing, moving countering the always aggressive Limon, landing the southpaw left hands and right hooks, putting together some lovely combinations


Edwards put Limon down on the 5th with a textbook left hand and was piling up the points, Limon did come into in the mid to late rounds as Edwards work slowed and Limon's aggression finally started to make inroads, he just threw everything at Edwards really, head, body, high, low, whatever it took and he clawed things back, Edwards got a second wind though and started to land clean counters again and it developed into a war with both men landing their fair share but it was Boza Edwards who got the deserved decision, belting fight though fought at a ferocious pace
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Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide
Bowe certainly took a while to get started and Hide was quick, offensive and quite successful.

But ultimately Herbie was a cruiser-heavyweight just when the HW's were getting even bigger and more powerful and Herbie had a marked tendency to be way too aggressive when he got in with these guys and just did not bide his time.

He did much the same thing with Vitali K and the pattern of that fight was not wholly dissimilar. And if you get clumped by Bowe or Vitali and you really ain't the biggest guy in the first place....bad things will happen.

I still wonder what Herbie could have done if he'd boxed like Chris Byrd when faced by proper big men and been less macho...…..he was definitely not short on speed, had quick hands and did not have a stiff, upright style.

Ultimately, I think Herbie simply loved a tear-up too much and was a poor listener and trainer too.
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Bodyshot3 wrote: 11 Sep 2019, 14:58
Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide
Bowe certainly took a while to get started and Hide was quick, offensive and quite successful.

But ultimately Herbie was a cruiser-heavyweight just when the HW's were getting even bigger and more powerful and Herbie had a marked tendency to be way too aggressive when he got in with these guys and just did not bide his time.

He did much the same thing with Vitali K and the pattern of that fight was not wholly dissimilar. And if you get clumped by Bowe or Vitali and you really ain't the biggest guy in the first place....bad things will happen.

I still wonder what Herbie could have done if he'd boxed like Chris Byrd when faced by proper big men and been less macho...…..he was definitely not short on speed, had quick hands and did not have a stiff, upright style.

Ultimately, I think Herbie simply loved a tear-up too much and was a poor listener and trainer too.
Agree with all that mate
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Agree with all that mate
Cheers...…..Herbie was a notoriously wild, headstrong character and it remains a pity that he did not box to orders (or do the prior groundwork) when he got into the ring with Bowe or Vitali.

There's a scenario where he just skips in and out of range - scores useful points, stays safe - and Vitali and Bowe are then forced to trundle after him as Herbie pinches the rounds. Hide was quick and should have been more elusive/patient.

I remember the Vitali fight well...….it was (sadly) completely the wrong way to fight the older K brother. Everything that he had been probably told not to do.....he did :brick:
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handsofstone wrote: 11 Sep 2019, 14:35 Cornelius Boza Edwards vs Rafael Limon



Edwards beats Limon by UD over 15 rounds to become World Super Featherweight champion, cracker of a fight, a war from start to finish, 2 southpaws don't always gel but this one did no end, all the action took place in the centre of the ring and the ref barely had to get involved, only to deduct a point off Limon in the 13th for a low blow which was a long time coming in all fairness, Edwards was class, the boxer of the 2 men, he was jabbing, moving countering the always aggressive Limon, landing the southpaw left hands and right hooks, putting together some lovely combinations


Edwards put Limon down on the 5th with a textbook left hand and was piling up the points, Limon did come into in the mid to late rounds as Edwards work slowed and Limon's aggression finally started to make inroads, he just threw everything at Edwards really, head, body, high, low, whatever it took and he clawed things back, Edwards got a second wind though and started to land clean counters again and it developed into a war with both men landing their fair share but it was Boza Edwards who got the deserved decision, belting fight though fought at a ferocious pace
hey mate, check out either of Limon - Navarette or Navarette - Boza Edwards, two more which dispel the bullsh1t myth that two southpaws don't produce good fights, the former especially :TU:
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Counter-puncher wrote: 13 Sep 2019, 07:46
handsofstone wrote: 11 Sep 2019, 14:35 Cornelius Boza Edwards vs Rafael Limon



Edwards beats Limon by UD over 15 rounds to become World Super Featherweight champion, cracker of a fight, a war from start to finish, 2 southpaws don't always gel but this one did no end, all the action took place in the centre of the ring and the ref barely had to get involved, only to deduct a point off Limon in the 13th for a low blow which was a long time coming in all fairness, Edwards was class, the boxer of the 2 men, he was jabbing, moving countering the always aggressive Limon, landing the southpaw left hands and right hooks, putting together some lovely combinations


Edwards put Limon down on the 5th with a textbook left hand and was piling up the points, Limon did come into in the mid to late rounds as Edwards work slowed and Limon's aggression finally started to make inroads, he just threw everything at Edwards really, head, body, high, low, whatever it took and he clawed things back, Edwards got a second wind though and started to land clean counters again and it developed into a war with both men landing their fair share but it was Boza Edwards who got the deserved decision, belting fight though fought at a ferocious pace
hey mate, check out either of Limon - Navarette or Navarette - Boza Edwards, two more which dispel the bullsh1t myth that two southpaws don't produce good fights, the former especially :TU:
Will do mate cheers for the recommendations :salut:
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Rocky Lockridge v Cornelius Boza Edwards


Lockridge beats Boza Edwards by 10 round UD in a non title Super Featherweight bout, close fight all the rounds were competitive, no holding and all the fighting done up close in the centre of the ring, Boza Edwards had Lockridge down in the 1st from a right hook counter, lovely shot, after that though Lockridge seemed to control things that bit better, outworking Edwards slightly and outhustling him, commentary thought Lockridge was winning at a canter, he was better but not by any great margin, both guys never looked to hold and looked to get to mid range to let their punches go, good clean action and Lockridge got the nod
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Bodyshot3 wrote: 11 Sep 2019, 14:58
Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide
Bowe certainly took a while to get started and Hide was quick, offensive and quite successful.

But ultimately Herbie was a cruiser-heavyweight just when the HW's were getting even bigger and more powerful and Herbie had a marked tendency to be way too aggressive when he got in with these guys and just did not bide his time.

He did much the same thing with Vitali K and the pattern of that fight was not wholly dissimilar. And if you get clumped by Bowe or Vitali and you really ain't the biggest guy in the first place....bad things will happen.

I still wonder what Herbie could have done if he'd boxed like Chris Byrd when faced by proper big men and been less macho...…..he was definitely not short on speed, had quick hands and did not have a stiff, upright style.

Ultimately, I think Herbie simply loved a tear-up too much and was a poor listener and trainer too.
Brilliantly put.

Herbie Hide was drunk on his power and thought he could blitz everyone.

He rattled Bowe a few times and I believe Riddick cites Hide as the hardest puncher he faced, but Herbie was simply too small to go hell for leather with giant HWs that could fight.
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Syntax Error wrote: 15 Sep 2019, 08:29
Bodyshot3 wrote: 11 Sep 2019, 14:58

Bowe certainly took a while to get started and Hide was quick, offensive and quite successful.

But ultimately Herbie was a cruiser-heavyweight just when the HW's were getting even bigger and more powerful and Herbie had a marked tendency to be way too aggressive when he got in with these guys and just did not bide his time.

He did much the same thing with Vitali K and the pattern of that fight was not wholly dissimilar. And if you get clumped by Bowe or Vitali and you really ain't the biggest guy in the first place....bad things will happen.

I still wonder what Herbie could have done if he'd boxed like Chris Byrd when faced by proper big men and been less macho...…..he was definitely not short on speed, had quick hands and did not have a stiff, upright style.

Ultimately, I think Herbie simply loved a tear-up too much and was a poor listener and trainer too.
Brilliantly put.

Herbie Hide was drunk on his power and thought he could blitz everyone.

He rattled Bowe a few times and I believe Riddick cites Hide as the hardest puncher he faced, but Herbie was simply too small to go hell for leather with giant HWs that could fight.
What do you make of the first knockdown? I can't work out what put Hide down and after that he just fell apart.
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bennie wrote: 16 Sep 2019, 03:47
Syntax Error wrote: 15 Sep 2019, 08:29

Brilliantly put.

Herbie Hide was drunk on his power and thought he could blitz everyone.

He rattled Bowe a few times and I believe Riddick cites Hide as the hardest puncher he faced, but Herbie was simply too small to go hell for leather with giant HWs that could fight.
What do you make of the first knockdown? I can't work out what put Hide down and after that he just fell apart.
Watching it live my buddy and I demanded bowe had ether on his gloves.
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Hector Camacho vs Cornelius Boza Edwards



Camacho outpoints Boza Edwards by UD to retain his World Lightweight title, after an explosive start where both men stood toe to toe and Camacho decked Boza Edwards with a right hook, things fizzled out as Camacho elected to box on the backfoot for the remainder of the fight, as I say Camacho put Boza Edwards down in the 1st, it was a right that put Edwards down but it was a left hand by Camacho that landed just before which was the damaging punch, after that Camacho got on his bike for the rest of the fight, constantly backpedalling as Boza Edwards pressed forward constantly but mostly chasing shadows as Camacho danced away shooting out the jab and coming back over with the southpaw left hand

It was a bit frustrating to watch after a few rounds of Camacho running and I'm sure that's why some judges gave Boza Edwards a few rounds but Camacho did what he needed to do and not allow Boza Edwards to pin him in the corner or on the ropes and truth be told it was probably the right tactics, it wasn't great to watch at times but you could still see the class and sharpness in Camacho's punches, a well executed gameplan
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Jose Luis Ramirez vs Cornelius Boza Edwards



Ramirez KOs Boza Edwards in 5 to retain his World Lightweight title, bit of a rout for Ramirez who won every round and hurt Boza Edwards in every round, battered him from pillar to post in the 1st and very nearly stopped him there and then, Boza Edwards survived the round and tried his best but was second best in every department, Ramirez was class, a fellow southpaw but fought aggressively and showed great variety and accuracy in his punches, always up close, worked the left hand well, upstairs and down, uppercuts and right hooks to the head, he never gave Boza Edwards a moments peace


Finally in the 5th Boza Edwards broke down more from accumulation than anything, Ramirez was relentless, he was unloading combo after combo and when a short right hand decked Boza Edwards, he didn't even try to get up he knew he was done
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Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Sep 2019, 08:18
bennie wrote: 16 Sep 2019, 03:47

What do you make of the first knockdown? I can't work out what put Hide down and after that he just fell apart.
Watching it live my buddy and I demanded bowe had ether on his gloves.
Or stuck the nut in. Either way, Hide crumbled and it was pretty embarrassing.
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I must be binging on Ike Quartey lately. I don't know how I missed this match back in the day but here is the controversial bout between Ike Quartey and Vernon Forrest.

Round 1: 10-9 Forrest
Round 2: 10-9 Ike
Round 3: 10-9 Ike
Round 4: 10-9 Forrest
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Ike
Round 7: 10-9 Forrest
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Ike (I had this round even but a point deduction from Forrest's score for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 Ike

Total: 97-95 Ike Quartey

Actual scores were 95-94 (twice) and 96-93 all for Forrest. Ike should have and did feel hard-done-by from this decision. Although a decent enough fight from two veterans of the game, Ike forced the fight with heavy hands and Vernon just couldn't keep up the speedy combos that were needed to offset Ike. Harold Lederman scored it 97-92 for Ike.
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Frank Bruno vs Scott LeDoux


Bruno stops LeDoux with a badly cut eye in the 3rd round of a non title Heavyweight fight, LeDoux was down in the 1st from a Bruno combination finishing off with a left hook to put him down right at the end of the round. Bruno was taking him apart and when the eye opened up in the 3rd, the ref stopped the fight
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handsofstone wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:38 Frank Bruno vs Scott LeDoux


Bruno stops LeDoux with a badly cut eye in the 3rd round of a non title Heavyweight fight, LeDoux was down in the 1st from a Bruno combination finishing off with a left hook to put him down right at the end of the round. Bruno was taking him apart and when the eye opened up in the 3rd, the ref stopped the fight
Great fight on that bill between Jimmy Cable and Nick Wilshire.
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I watched a few Howard Winstone bouts yesterday. His fights with Eduardo Guerrero, Lennie Williams and Baby Luis. The Guerrero fight, he really boxes so beautifully, as he often did with that left hand constantly in Guerrero's face. The stoppage is awful but Guerrero wasn't remotely in the fight nor was he really hurt though.

The Williams fight is a good watch. Winstone on top throughout but Williams gave a good effort. Winstone displayed a lot of his arsenal in this one and went in for the kill when it presented itself.

The best of the trio is the Baby Luis fight. It's really a nice boxing match with a lot of skill. Luis gets in some shots but it's mostly Winstone's left hand and ability to move and punch which gave him the clear cut victory. A really good boxing match.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 24 Sep 2019, 10:53

The best of the trio is the Baby Luis fight. It's really a nice boxing match with a lot of skill. Luis gets in some shots but it's mostly Winstone's left hand and ability to move and punch which gave him the clear cut victory. A really good boxing match.
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James "Bonecrusher" Smith vs Frank Bruno


Smith comes from behind to KO Bruno in the 10th and last round, not the utter domination from Bruno I was led to believe, he was in front going into the last round no doubt but he never hurt Smith at all and never actually let go many of his big right hands and was content to work off the jab and work the left hand, Smith tried to get his own jab off but tailed off after a decent first couple of rounds

Bit of a jab off really until the 10th when out of nowhere Smith rocked Bruno with a big left hook and followed up with about 15 unanswered lefts and rights, Bruno done what he would always go on to do when hurt which was lay on the ropes arms down just inviting free shots and his head was being jerked back before Smith dropped him like a stone with a final left hook to finish him off
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