Is Daven Haney really so good ?

[ValMar]

To be honest, I don't know anything about this fighter.
Is he really so good, or another American over-hyped boxer ?
Will he be the worthy opponent for Lomachenko or Davis at LW, or Prograis/Taylor winner at LWW ?

[Best Coast]

To be honest, I don't know anything about this fighter.
Is he really so good, or another American over-hyped boxer?
Will he be the worthy opponent for Lomachenko or Davis at LW, or Prograis/Taylor winner at LWW ?

The truth is that he is one of the most advanced fighters in the world for 20 years or younger. He's not ready yet for the likes of Loma or Davis, or even the top 140-pounders you mention but he is developing very rapidly and if he stays as self-disciplined and dedicated as he is now, he could well be a top 10 P4P fighter at 22. I assume you have already seen some of his fights so I'm posting some videos of his dedication to strength and conditioning as well as sparring and workouts with Floyd Mayweather Sr.

While other young rising stars like Ryan Garcia are trying to enhance their popularity with social media followers on Instagram & Twitter, Devin Haney is more concerned about developing his boxing skills.

At the 8-minute mark of this first video check out his exercises to strengthen his core, which helps him resist body shots. The workout at around 11 minutes helps him build the kind of punching power that broke Abdullaev's cheekbone last Saturday night.

Here are some workouts with Floyd Mayweather Sr. that are already paying dividends in his rapid development.

Like Devin himself says in this last video, he is out training at the break of dawn while most of his competitors are still in bed. That's one thing that helped Devin's mentor Money Mayweather rise to the top of the P4P rankings.

[ValMar]

Best Coast, thank you !

[Bandog]

Best Coast is right. Haney is rapidly becoming a star, and doing things right.

Floyd Sr claims he (Haney) schooled Davis when sparring.

[IKSRTFO]

To be honest, I don't know anything about this fighter.
Is he really so good, or another American over-hyped boxer ?
Will he be the worthy opponent for Lomachenko or Davis at LW, or Prograis/Taylor winner at LWW ?

He's that good. I'll put it to you like this. He sparred with Davis when he was 16 and once Davis became a star, the video mysteriously vanished from youtube. He also beat Ryan Garcia more than a few times in the amateurs so if anyone is an overhyped American, it's probably Garcia.

[Onetimeonly]

He's good enough to beat loma.

[ValMar]

He's good enough to beat loma.

If he is good enough to beat Loma - he will be #1 pfp.

[Onetimeonly]

He's good enough to beat loma.

If he is good enough to beat Loma - he will be #1 pfp.

[Controversial]

He also beat Ryan Garcia more than a few times in the amateurs so if anyone is an overhyped American, it's probably Garcia.

They went 3-3 in the amateurs according to a Ring Magazine article on Haney

[ValMar]

If he is good enough to beat Loma - he will be #1 pfp.

Would you explain your logic, please ? Like Loma or not, you have to admit that he is among the top three fighters in the world.

[Onetimeonly]

Would you explain your logic, please ? Like Loma or not, you have to admit that he is among the top three fighters in the world.

I have him 4th p4p, talent isn't the only thing it takes to beat someone. We've seen loma have to dig deep, Haney hasn't had too. He looks faster and he's definitely bigger. Linares was good enough to beat loma, I don't think he'd give Haney any trouble.

[ValMar]

Would you explain your logic, please ? Like Loma or not, you have to admit that he is among the top three fighters in the world.

I have him 4th p4p, talent isn't the only thing it takes to beat someone. We've seen loma have to dig deep, Haney hasn't had too. He looks faster and he's definitely bigger. Linares was good enough to beat loma, I don't think he'd give Haney any trouble.

I suppose you consider that Haney would beat Davis right now. Am I right ?

[lookingaround87]

Linares was good enough to beat loma

He was good enough to beat Loma... but he lost.

[Onetimeonly]

I have him 4th p4p, talent isn't the only thing it takes to beat someone. We've seen loma have to dig deep, Haney hasn't had too. He looks faster and he's definitely bigger. Linares was good enough to beat loma, I don't think he'd give Haney any trouble.

I suppose you consider that Haney would beat Davis right now. Am I right ?

Tough fight, don't know whom I'd take. Neither of them has been put to the test yet. Both have the talent to beat loma. Doesn't mean they would. You asked how good Haney is, his talent jumps at you. Again, there is more to the sport than that.

[Onetimeonly]

Linares was good enough to beat loma

He was good enough to beat Loma... but he lost.

Shake anything loose?

[margaret thatcher]

Haney would be a nightmare for Loma. Bigger ,faster, and can deal with the skill.

Unless Haney has some sort of big hidden flaw, like a glass chin or no heart etc, he will be super tough to beat at least up to 147.

[oogiebe]

Haney is the goods. Very little doubt if any at all.

[RonnyJ]

he hasnt fought anybody, but i am impressed, accurate, sharp punches.

[Bandog]

Haney needs to be put to a REAL test before putting him in the hall of fame. Right now I would GUESS he would beat T. Lopez, Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia, but lose to Loma in a close fight. I think Loma may move down to avoid him.

That said? He could lose to all, beat them all. He's 20 yrs old ffs. They would be smart not to push him too fast. I do think by 25 he could be top 5 pfp if not before.

[keirw]

Excellent young fighter, maybe not quite ready for Loma or Davis yet, but is in a good position to pick up a title early next year and at the age of 20 the sky is the limit.

I understand some people may be dubious, time will tell if he is as good as Hearn and Co say.

But so far, I like what I see.

[Lackeos]

Supposing that Haney is good enough to be a future Mayweather and earn more than $100 million in a single fight if he can maintain an undefeated record... I don't see why anyone would throw him to the lions before he's reached his prime. When Mayweather was the same age, he was getting matched-up against Angelo Nunez and Hector Arroyo. If 20-year-old Mayweather was matched against Shane Mosley and Vince Phillips in December 1997, he would've lost the fight and probably also lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars of future income. His handlers would have themselves lost out on many tens of millions of dollars, which is why they never matched Mayweather in a fight he couldn't win.

So having said that, I don't think Haney's handlers will be matching him against any p4p top 25 opponents before Haney is even close to his prime. The kid is 20 years old. He just got done fighting an opponent who was divisional #14. In the near future, you'd expect that he'll probably be getting matched against opponents who are divisionally #8-13. There's a good chance he won't fight any divisional top 3 opponents, let alone a divisional #1 opponent, within the next year.

As for whether Haney is good enough to hang with a top 20 p4p opponent, he certainly looks to be the goods. But it's also rare as balls for a 20-year-old to be able to beat a top 5 p4p opponent. Even 20-year-old Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Calzaghe, DLH, Mosley, Camacho, RJJ, JCC, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Pryor, Whitaker, etc. were not beating any top 5 p4p opponents. Some of the great wins by any 20-year-olds include Felix Trinidad's win over Maurice Blocker, Mike Tyson's win over Bonecrusher Smith, and Fernando Vargas's win over Luis Ramon Campas. At age 20, Lomachenko was still 5.5 years shy of even turning pro, and he didn't beat Rigondeaux until he was 29.5. Does anybody even grasp how rare it is for a 20-year-old to beat a top 5 p4p fighter? It's like 2000:1 odds that a particular, promising 20-year-old prospect is going to accomplish that feat within a year. Like... have some historical perspective on how much of an absurd longshot this is.

When Devin Haney comes into his prime, his key wins aren't going to be against dudes who are currently in their 30's. It's going to be against future good fighters like Teofimo Lopez, Ryan Garcia, and Gervonta Davis.

[Bandog]

Supposing that Haney is good enough to be a future Mayweather and earn more than $100 million in a single fight if he can maintain an undefeated record... I don't see why anyone would throw him to the lions before he's reached his prime. When Mayweather was the same age, he was getting matched-up against Angelo Nunez and Hector Arroyo. If 20-year-old Mayweather was matched against Shane Mosley and Vince Phillips in December 1997, he would've lost the fight and probably also lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars of future income. His handlers would have themselves lost out on many tens of millions of dollars, which is why they never matched Mayweather in a fight he couldn't win.

So having said that, I don't think Haney's handlers will be matching him against any p4p top 25 opponents before Haney is even close to his prime. The kid is 20 years old. He just got done fighting an opponent who was divisional #14. In the near future, you'd expect that he'll probably be getting matched against opponents who are divisionally #8-13. There's a good chance he won't fight any divisional top 3 opponents, let alone a divisional #1 opponent, within the next year.

As for whether Haney is good enough to hang with a top 20 p4p opponent, he certainly looks to be the goods. But it's also rare as balls for a 20-year-old to be able to beat a top 5 p4p opponent. Even 20-year-old Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Calzaghe, DLH, Mosley, Camacho, RJJ, JCC, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Pryor, Whitaker, etc. were not beating any top 5 p4p opponents. Some of the great wins by any 20-year-olds include Felix Trinidad's win over Maurice Blocker, Mike Tyson's win over Bonecrusher Smith, and Fernando Vargas's win over Luis Ramon Campas. At age 20, Lomachenko was still 5.5 years shy of even turning pro, and he didn't beat Rigondeaux until he was 29.5. Does anybody even grasp how rare it is for a 20-year-old to beat a top 5 p4p fighter? It's like 2000:1 odds that a particular, promising 20-year-old prospect is going to accomplish that feat within a year. Like... have some historical perspective on how much of an absurd longshot this is.

When Devin Haney comes into his prime, his key wins aren't going to be against dudes who are currently in their 30's. It's going to be against future good fighters like Teofimo Lopez, Ryan Garcia, and Gervonta Davis.

Well said.

[ironbeard]

Haney has unequivocally called “Nomachenko” out. I see no good reason that fight should not happen. Lomassiah fought Salido very early and took a loss. Has that stopped him?

Haney has been a pro for more than three years. He is 23-0. He cut his teeth on Mexican bar cards. He has strong amateur experience. He is essentially a faster / quicker, stronger, more powerful Campbell. He owns a belt.

Team Haney makes no bones about accusing Lomassiah of ducking him. They may be right. Team Lomassiah may be waiting out Haney’s ability to make 135. Remember what they said post Campbell?

I want to see that fight. I think Haney stops him. The kid is all wrong for Lomassiah.

His long, fast, heavy jab would give Lomassiah nightmares. His power is more dangerous than Linares or Campbell. He has Linares type offense with much heavier artillery. He has better defensive skills than Campbell combined with great counters. His footwork is top notch.

No reason to wait. Haney is ready. Just ask him.

[Onetimeonly]

Haney has unequivocally called “Nomachenko” out. I see no good reason that fight should not happen. Lomassiah fought Salido very early and took a loss. Has that stopped him?

Haney has been a pro for more than three years. He is 23-0. He cut his teeth on Mexican bar cards. He has strong amateur experience. He is essentially a faster / quicker, stronger, more powerful Campbell. He owns a belt.

Team Haney makes no bones about accusing Lomassiah of ducking him. They may be right. Team Lomassiah may be waiting out Haney’s ability to make 135. Remember what they said post Campbell?

I want to see that fight. I think Haney stops him. The kid is all wrong for Lomassiah.

His long, fast, heavy jab would give Lomassiah nightmares. His power is more dangerous than Linares or Campbell. He has Linares type offense with much heavier artillery. He has better defensive skills than Campbell combined with great counters. His footwork is top notch.

No reason to wait. Haney is ready. Just ask him.

[margaret thatcher]

Top Rank has been pretty open about Loma ducking Haney. Of course, they don't openly say ducking, but 'we're not going to fight Haney before Loma faces the IBF winner' + 'Loma is moving right back to 130 after next fight' = you know what it is

TBH, from their perspective they are making clearly the right move.