Pros fighting in amateurs

Pro should be allowed to fight in amateur tournaments

Yes
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No
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boxing_rocks
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Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by boxing_rocks »



Personally, I don't understand what they think the problem is. The guy is clearly bigger and better than his opponent regardless of having a few pro fights on his record. He is just 25, and there are more experienced amateurs than him. He followed rules of amateur boxing and cleanly stopped his opponent. Most likely does the same to cab drivers he fought in pro. What is a big difference.
NateJR
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by NateJR »

I don't see a issue with it.
margaret thatcher
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by margaret thatcher »

F@ck me that's as good a KO as I've seen in the amateurs
margaret thatcher
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by margaret thatcher »

Jalolov's only had 6 pro fights and against nobody of note. LOL that him having such marginal pro experience makes a difference, he was simply a bigger better fighter. The edge he'd have on experience would come from his additional amateur bouts, not his pro ones.
Noxy
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by Noxy »

There’s no point having pros and amateurs if you let pros fight in amateur tournaments.
margaret thatcher
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Post by margaret thatcher »

And that American guy had made the quarterfinals of the World Championships and won several tournaments, he was hardly some poor little newb. Last year he also beat the guy that won bronze this year at the Worlds, as well as the vastly experienced Cuban Jose Laurdet. He has been stopping guys left and right in USA national tournaments too.

Check out his amateur page https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/861066
margaret thatcher
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by margaret thatcher »

I watched some of Jalo's other am fights and he is very Vit like
gilgamesh
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by gilgamesh »

Noxy wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 13:02 There’s no point having pros and amateurs if you let pros fight in amateur tournaments.
Yeah if countries are just gonna have Pros fight on their behalf so they as a country can win an Amateur tournament it kinda gums up the whole thing.
margaret thatcher
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Post by margaret thatcher »

Jalolov is far more an amateur than pro. 6 pro fights vs nobodies vs hundreds of am fights and at the top levels

Do the NBA guys still get to play in the amateur basketball tournamennts? I know they kicked the pro hockey players out of the Olympics, or at least the NHL guys.
boxing_rocks
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

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Noxy wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 13:02 There’s no point having pros and amateurs if you let pros fight in amateur tournaments.
Those are sports with different rules. Pro boxers can fight in barecknucle boxing, BKB, etc. Why not in amateurs?
lillywhite14
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Post by lillywhite14 »

Far more worrying is Frazer Clarke beating the Russian in his home tournemant, then the Russians appeal the decision, AIBA overrule and put the Russian in to the semi final...oh and to cap it off, no chance of a counter appeal either! :lol:

Disgusting behaviour and absolutely corrupt.
fanman
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by fanman »

gilgamesh wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 15:03
Noxy wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 13:02 There’s no point having pros and amateurs if you let pros fight in amateur tournaments.
Yeah if countries are just gonna have Pros fight on their behalf so they as a country can win an Amateur tournament it kinda gums up the whole thing.
agree. its not right surely.
would be the same mess if they allowed pac/klit etc. to fight in the olympics... its supposed to be a stepping stone to the pros, defeats the whole point of it.
Cent0089
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Post by Cent0089 »

No problem with that. If Torrez feel outweighted, he can cut down to 91 kg weightclass, where is problem? Are we going to complain that boxers in super heavyweight are super big and super heavy? :D :doh: :doh: :doh: I dont think 6 pro fights can give you any advantage in world amateur boxing championship. Mauricio should take care of business in his own problems in WBC
locoxelbox
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by locoxelbox »

So it´s ok for a 15 year-old Canelo to fight older professionals but it´s not ok for a 20-year Torrez with great international experience to fight another good boxer in a 3 round fight?

Jalolov hardly got past the Kazakh Kunkabayev at the Asian Championships some months ago (4-1 decision). Nobody complained then…

Another yong american, Keyshawn Davis, beat another uzbek pro in Elnur Abduraimov earlier this week. Sanjar Tursunov lost to Indian Sanjeet and other pros have lost at these World Championships as well.

If you´re entering a World Championships you know you can face a 300+ bouts Cuban or a 5 pro bouts Uzbek or whatever. If you ´re not ready then don´t take part.
Cent0089
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Post by Cent0089 »

locoxelbox wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 16:16 So it´s ok for a 15 year-old Canelo to fight older professionals but it´s not ok for a 20-year Torrez with great international experience to fight another good boxer in a 3 round fight?

Jalolov hardly got past the Kazakh Kunkabayev at the Asian Championships some months ago (4-1 decision). Nobody complained then…

Another yong american, Keyshawn Davis, beat another uzbek pro in Elnur Abduraimov earlier this week. Sanjar Tursunov lost to Indian Sanjeet and other pros have lost at these World Championships as well.

If you´re entering a World Championships you know you can face a 300+ bouts Cuban or a 5 pro bouts Uzbek or whatever. If you ´re not ready then don´t take part.
Very good post. If you are not ready to face world elite, you should stay home and spar in the gym. Sulaiman post is pathetic. This is WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP omg.
Cent0089
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Post by Cent0089 »

Btw Jalolov is from Russia? :D :D
Noxy
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Post by Noxy »

boxing_rocks wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 15:40
Noxy wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 13:02 There’s no point having pros and amateurs if you let pros fight in amateur tournaments.
Those are sports with different rules. Pro boxers can fight in barecknucle boxing, BKB, etc. Why not in amateurs?
Because they‘re pros that’s why. The whole idea is daft. Blur the boundary now and where‘s it going to end. What’s the point in having pros in amateur tournaments. I just don’t get it.
oogiebe
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by oogiebe »

No one held a gun to the kid's head and said "you have to fight Jalalov." Please give me a break.
margaret thatcher
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Post by margaret thatcher »

I mean, Torrez could turn pro next month, and fight a total can. Is it all good then if he and Jalo rematched in the ams? No mismatch?
dagilechia
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by dagilechia »

First of all, Jalolov is from Uzbekistan, not Russia.

I don't get what the problem is, just like most of us, i think. He knocked out a weaker, less skilled opponent. Sometimes in happens, in both amateurs and pros (much more often in pros though, so i guess that is why Sulaiman was shocked, because such a sight is rare in amateurs compared to pros).
Noxy
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by Noxy »

It’s not just about this fight. It’s the principle of pros in am tournaments. Why? It’s not an am tournament if there are pros. Even if the ams batter them, it still undermines the am code. No to this situation.
chuck9788
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by chuck9788 »

Professionals entering into amateur tournaments (in any sport) should be pretty embarrassed with themselves.
oogiebe
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by oogiebe »

Just saying, Torrez had a record of 113-7. Five years in international competition.
margaret thatcher
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by margaret thatcher »

oogiebe wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 17:11 Just saying, Torrez had a record of 113-7. Five years in international competition.
Ya, plus won at least 2 international tournaments, plus beat the worlds bronze medalist, plus made the quarter finals. Hardly a baby.
oogiebe
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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs

Post by oogiebe »

margaret thatcher wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 17:17
oogiebe wrote: 20 Sep 2019, 17:11 Just saying, Torrez had a record of 113-7. Five years in international competition.
Ya, plus won at least 2 international tournaments, plus beat the worlds bronze medalist, plus made the quarter finals. Hardly a baby.
That was some knockout though! :OhYes:
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