Again, not disagreeing with that, just pointing out that a win over a borderline top 10 guy should not be hugely significant when evaluating the resumes of supposed ATGs.
For the record, Poirier was ranked #6 @ FW at the time Conor faced him. Dennis Siver was also #6 when he faced him. Conor had an impressive 3 year run when entering the UFC.
No way Denis Siver was ranked #6 in any credible ranking at that time. He was 35 years old, had been wrecked by Cub Swanson a couple of years prior, and hadn't had any meaningful wins for even longer than that. He was a massive underdog against McGregor when they fought, and for good reason.
Poirer at #6 could have been reasonable at the time, although that's assuming you're excluding all non-UFC fighters.
For the record, Poirier was ranked #6 @ FW at the time Conor faced him. Dennis Siver was also #6 when he faced him. Conor had an impressive 3 year run when entering the UFC.
No way Denis Siver was ranked #6 in any credible ranking at that time. He was 35 years old, had been wrecked by Cub Swanson a couple of years prior, and hadn't had any meaningful wins for even longer than that. He was a massive underdog against McGregor when they fought, and for good reason.
Poirer at #6 could have been reasonable at the time, although that's assuming you're excluding all non-UFC fighters.
Why would you? You did try to use rankings to discredit someone you hate. No worries, we've all done it. Who else was smashing up Dustin and max then to make it meaningless? 13 seconds? That guy was up for goat, in his prime, and got demolished. Who else treated Eddie like a child? Cmon, he's a prick but he accomplished a lot.
C'mon that's disingenuous. The Holloway fight that's a fair argument, but in regards to Poirier, he's basically the same age as Conor and if it was early in Dustins career, then it was also early in Mcgregors career aswell and he would have also been green.
No, it's not disingenuous at all. Beating Poirer who was ranked maybe around #10 at FW should not be considered an equal accomplishment as beating Poirer who was top 3 at LW several years later.
I agree it was early in both guy's careers, but that doesn't change the fact that the win over Poirier should not be considered very significant when we're talking about ATG resumes.
If anything it should be considered a greater win now in hindsight than it was then. Poirier hasn't really changed much as a fighter. He's just beaten more sloppy strikers than Conor (bar Holloway) - id expect Conor to beat Dustin in a similar type fashion (Dustin would last a little longer) to the first time they fought.
I mean look at Dustins fights with Eddie and then look at how Conor dealt with Alvarez.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 21:45
Why would you? You did try to use rankings to discredit someone you hate. No worries, we've all done it. Who else was smashing up Dustin and max then to make it meaningless? 13 seconds? That guy was up for goat, in his prime, and got demolished. Who else treated Eddie like a child? Cmon, he's a prick but he accomplished a lot.
He was superb Vs Alvarez. I was shocked watching that.
So who else would anyone pick to beat Aldo at 45, Alvarez at 55 and split two fights with Nate at 70 in consecutive fights? Two best bets are the other two conor beat.
jujigatame wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 20:48
I've never put a lot of stock in the official UFC rankings.
You were the one stating he wasn't top 10. How am I supposed to know which ratings you deem worthy?
To be fair, you're not. The only rankings I really care about are the ones I keep in my head that I can justify with results. And on the merits Siver should have been nowhere near a top 10. He was a heavy underdog against McGregor for a reason.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 12:49
So who else would anyone pick to beat Aldo at 45, Alvarez at 55 and split two fights with Nate at 70 in consecutive fights? Two best bets are the other two conor beat.
Plenty of people have beaten Nate Diaz. Getting finished by Diaz and then barely scraping a decision against him in a rematch is not a feather in the cap of a supposed ATG.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 21:45
Why would you? You did try to use rankings to discredit someone you hate. No worries, we've all done it. Who else was smashing up Dustin and max then to make it meaningless? 13 seconds? That guy was up for goat, in his prime, and got demolished. Who else treated Eddie like a child? Cmon, he's a prick but he accomplished a lot.
Dustin had just lost to Cub Swanson a year before the McGregor fight, and he got KO'd by Michael Johnson a couple of years later. He was a good fighter but not elite at the time. Holloway as I already said was 21 years and only 3-2 in his UFC career at that point.
McGregor has accomplished 3 really impressive results, and a couple of other solid ones. Put that up against guys like Aldo, Edgar, and Faber who fought the best of the best routinely for 5-10 years and you should be able to see why I do not consider McGregor an ATG.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 12:49
So who else would anyone pick to beat Aldo at 45, Alvarez at 55 and split two fights with Nate at 70 in consecutive fights? Two best bets are the other two conor beat.
Plenty of people have beaten Nate Diaz. Getting finished by Diaz and then barely scraping a decision against him in a rematch is not a feather in the cap of a supposed ATG.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 21:45
Why would you? You did try to use rankings to discredit someone you hate. No worries, we've all done it. Who else was smashing up Dustin and max then to make it meaningless? 13 seconds? That guy was up for goat, in his prime, and got demolished. Who else treated Eddie like a child? Cmon, he's a prick but he accomplished a lot.
Dustin had just lost to Cub Swanson a year before the McGregor fight, and he got KO'd by Michael Johnson a couple of years later. He was a good fighter but not elite at the time. Holloway as I already said was 21 years and only 3-2 in his UFC career at that point.
McGregor has accomplished 3 really impressive results, and a couple of other solid ones. Put that up against guys like Aldo, Edgar, and Faber who fought the best of the best routinely for 5-10 years and you should be able to see why I do not consider McGregor an ATG.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 21:45
Why would you? You did try to use rankings to discredit someone you hate. No worries, we've all done it. Who else was smashing up Dustin and max then to make it meaningless? 13 seconds? That guy was up for goat, in his prime, and got demolished. Who else treated Eddie like a child? Cmon, he's a prick but he accomplished a lot.
Dustin had just lost to Cub Swanson a year before the McGregor fight, and he got KO'd by Michael Johnson a couple of years later. He was a good fighter but not elite at the time. Holloway as I already said was 21 years and only 3-2 in his UFC career at that point.
McGregor has accomplished 3 really impressive results, and a couple of other solid ones. Put that up against guys like Aldo, Edgar, and Faber who fought the best of the best routinely for 5-10 years and you should be able to see why I do not consider McGregor an ATG.
Totally agree,take away aldo and what do we have? Not much,Eddie should never of beaten RDA and tbh i thought connor got beat twice by diaz,Edgar is more of an all time great than McGregor. Connor has put more eyes on the sport but this doesnt warrant him ATG status.
For the record, I don't consider Conor anywhere near an ATG. I am just trying to point out that what he accomplished within 3 years from entering the UFC is extremely impressive and should be taken into account when critiquing his resume.
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Impractical Poster wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 21:37
For the record, I don't consider Conor anywhere near an ATG. I am just trying to point out that what he accomplished within 3 years from entering the UFC is extremely impressive and should not be taken into account when critiquing his resume.
Yes I agree with this,he climbed the moutain made a ton of noise and more put bums on seats and crossed over to boxing to fight a top 10 ATG and made more cash in that fight than most of the ufc roster combined lol. As a person I cant stand the guy but he knew how to sell a fight.
Dustin had just lost to Cub Swanson a year before the McGregor fight, and he got KO'd by Michael Johnson a couple of years later. He was a good fighter but not elite at the time. Holloway as I already said was 21 years and only 3-2 in his UFC career at that point.
McGregor has accomplished 3 really impressive results, and a couple of other solid ones. Put that up against guys like Aldo, Edgar, and Faber who fought the best of the best routinely for 5-10 years and you should be able to see why I do not consider McGregor an ATG.
Totally agree,take away aldo and what do we have? Not much,Eddie should never of beaten RDA and tbh i thought connor got beat twice by diaz,Edgar is more of an all time great than McGregor. Connor has put more eyes on the sport but this doesnt warrant him ATG status.
Hes accomplished something Frankie has desperately wanted and been unable to do. Not a shot at Edgar, but Frankie or Faber would love to swap resumes with conor.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 14:40
To be fair though, Frankie and Faber defended their titles.
How do you think Conor would have fared against BJ?
Not very well. All I'm saying is he did something neither of them could and that is impressive no matter how much someone may hate him. I wanted the Diaz fights so not defending didn't mean anything to me. I was much more excited for Nate than the defense it replaced.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Sep 2019, 14:40
To be fair though, Frankie and Faber defended their titles.
How do you think Conor would have fared against BJ?
Not very well. All I'm saying is he did something neither of them could and that is impressive no matter how much someone may hate him. I wanted the Diaz fights so not defending didn't mean anything to me. I was much more excited for Nate than the defense it replaced.
True. Still would have been nice for him to stay active and defend the lw title at some point. I understand holding out for the Floyd fight, but his inactivity has been ridiculous. Pretty sure all that money satisfied the hunger he had when he first joined the UFC. In my objective opinion, Conor is the best striker I've seen in MMA. His rise from 2013 to 2015 is the best 2 year UFC run I can remember besides maybe Jon Jones' run from around 2011 to 13. Then take into account winning the lw title in 2016, which was his last win. Crazy it's been over 3 years since he's had a win.
Not very well. All I'm saying is he did something neither of them could and that is impressive no matter how much someone may hate him. I wanted the Diaz fights so not defending didn't mean anything to me. I was much more excited for Nate than the defense it replaced.
True. Still would have been nice for him to stay active and defend the lw title at some point. I understand holding out for the Floyd fight, but his inactivity has been ridiculous. Pretty sure all that money satisfied the hunger he had when he first joined the UFC. In my objective opinion, Conor is the best striker I've seen in MMA. His rise from 2013 to 2015 is the best 2 year UFC run I can remember besides maybe Jon Jones' run from around 2011 to 13. Then take into account winning the lw title in 2016, which was his last win. Crazy it's been over 3 years since he's had a win.
No doubt he could do much more. Only someone with a transparent agenda can attempt to discredit that run. Just look at the ridiculous answer juj gave to the question I asked about it....ummm....Um.m.m...Well Diaz lost lots!!!!!!!
thechump wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 21:09
Totally agree,take away aldo and what do we have? Not much,Eddie should never of beaten RDA and tbh i thought connor got beat twice by diaz,Edgar is more of an all time great than McGregor. Connor has put more eyes on the sport but this doesnt warrant him ATG status.
Hes accomplished something Frankie has desperately wanted and been unable to do. Not a shot at Edgar, but Frankie or Faber would love to swap resumes with conor.
I 100% disagree with you,the only thing frankie or faber would love to swap with connor is the bank balance,frankies resume is better than connors,what frankie done was compete at a weight were it like his walking round weight,its like connor fighting woodley at 170 beating him then staying at that weight,connor won titles but never defended one of them. Frankie is a better fighter is a better human and has a better resume imo,frankie has fought everyone and always defended his title.
Why is Yair Rodriguez not DQd for that!? He just poked Stephens in the eye!? How could it be accidentally when it's clear it wasn't a punch, it wasn't anything other than a poke. Herb Dean sucks.
