YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
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Kronkpride
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YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
3 heavyweights.....their combined traits...your hybrid HW from hell????
I want the power of Deontay Wilder for sure. He doesn't connect much but when he does there is some serious schit behind his shots.
I want the size and boxing skill of Tyson Fury. The big old frame with the ability to do every type of boxing there is. He is the most adaptable HW I have ever seen in action. I also want his outside of the ring theatrics and entertainment ability....minus the drug binges.
I want the chin of the Hillyard Hammer Chauncy Welliver. 438 HW rounds without ever going down. The longest current round streak in the HW division and 2nd only all time to George Chuvalo. Oliver McCall is not stopping though and is only 2 rounds behind Welliver right now at 436 straight without getting dropped. Welliver has one of the very best chins over the entire history of HW boxing. He would have been an absolute beast in the unlimited round eras. You cannot beat who you cannot knock down. Very good stamina too for a man his size.
Put those 3 together like you used to build a guy on Bill Laimbeer's Basketball and boxing would be back in a big way. A true Super Heavyweight who terrifies every man on the planet and annihilates every man he faces. Someone to make the Mike Tyson era look small. Someone to make Ali look like he wasn't much of an entertainer.
I guess what it really comes down to is wanting Tyson Fury with more power and more chin. He has everything else I want. I only want Wilder's power and Welliver's chin. Subtract his penchant for drug binging. He could be a beast with more of that pop and ability to take bombs. Nobody would touch him and he would rise to iconic HW status.....be the savior of the sport. He still might do that...without those skills. If he does it might be even more exciting to watch because he is there for the taking at times and is having to go the long haul because he can't blast anybody out of there consistently. Boxing needs a new beast at HW who becomes larger than life. Fury is the guy today who has the best chance for it. Wilder does have the crushing power but he lacks so much else inside and outside the ring. Fury is the great white hope and the best hope for an iconic HW to emerge and relight a big fire under the sport.
I want the power of Deontay Wilder for sure. He doesn't connect much but when he does there is some serious schit behind his shots.
I want the size and boxing skill of Tyson Fury. The big old frame with the ability to do every type of boxing there is. He is the most adaptable HW I have ever seen in action. I also want his outside of the ring theatrics and entertainment ability....minus the drug binges.
I want the chin of the Hillyard Hammer Chauncy Welliver. 438 HW rounds without ever going down. The longest current round streak in the HW division and 2nd only all time to George Chuvalo. Oliver McCall is not stopping though and is only 2 rounds behind Welliver right now at 436 straight without getting dropped. Welliver has one of the very best chins over the entire history of HW boxing. He would have been an absolute beast in the unlimited round eras. You cannot beat who you cannot knock down. Very good stamina too for a man his size.
Put those 3 together like you used to build a guy on Bill Laimbeer's Basketball and boxing would be back in a big way. A true Super Heavyweight who terrifies every man on the planet and annihilates every man he faces. Someone to make the Mike Tyson era look small. Someone to make Ali look like he wasn't much of an entertainer.
I guess what it really comes down to is wanting Tyson Fury with more power and more chin. He has everything else I want. I only want Wilder's power and Welliver's chin. Subtract his penchant for drug binging. He could be a beast with more of that pop and ability to take bombs. Nobody would touch him and he would rise to iconic HW status.....be the savior of the sport. He still might do that...without those skills. If he does it might be even more exciting to watch because he is there for the taking at times and is having to go the long haul because he can't blast anybody out of there consistently. Boxing needs a new beast at HW who becomes larger than life. Fury is the guy today who has the best chance for it. Wilder does have the crushing power but he lacks so much else inside and outside the ring. Fury is the great white hope and the best hope for an iconic HW to emerge and relight a big fire under the sport.
Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Some combination of three of Deontay Wilder, Oliver McCall, David Price, Oleksandr Usyk, Anthony Joshua, and Tyson Fury.
Deontay Wilder - height, reach, power, some defensive skills
Oliver McCall - chin, reach, some slickness
David Price - Elite height, elite reach
Oleksandr Usyk - mid-range skills
Anthony Joshua - height, reach, skills, power, musculature
Tyson Fury - elite height, elite reach, good chin, some skills
You can take lots of different combinations and get a fighter that is at least 6' 7", at least 83" reach, great chin, great power, good athleticism, and some skill with his hands.
Deontay Wilder - height, reach, power, some defensive skills
Oliver McCall - chin, reach, some slickness
David Price - Elite height, elite reach
Oleksandr Usyk - mid-range skills
Anthony Joshua - height, reach, skills, power, musculature
Tyson Fury - elite height, elite reach, good chin, some skills
You can take lots of different combinations and get a fighter that is at least 6' 7", at least 83" reach, great chin, great power, good athleticism, and some skill with his hands.
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dagilechia
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Valuev's size, strength, chin, Usyk's skills and footwork, Tyson's power and explosivness
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jamesmcdonnell
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Vitalis size and fearlessness
Lennox Lewis Power and technique
Alis speed of hand and fleetness
Lennox Lewis Power and technique
Alis speed of hand and fleetness
Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Vitalys chin, height
Tysons punching power, speed
Usyks footwork, IQ
Tysons punching power, speed
Usyks footwork, IQ
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Kronkpride
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
That would be a beastly HW for sure. I think Valuev was down officially at least once before his bigger fights came along. He did very well though at the higher levels. Ruiz put him down but not officially. I wish he would have fought more of the super big guys to see what he was really made of...one of the Klits or both. He fought mostly against smaller HW's in his highest caliber fight. I would like a guy like your HW trifecta to come along though. We need a mega beast HW champion to headline the sport and take it back to the really big time.dagilechia wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 07:54 Valuev's size, strength, chin, Usyk's skills and footwork, Tyson's power and explosivness
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Kronkpride
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
I think this beast edges the Valuev version. Vitali has one of the most legit chins there has ever been too. Just doesn't have the rounds to get into the record setting conversation with Chuvalo, Welliver and McCall.
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Kronkpride
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
I like Tyson's power over Lewis power. I like Ali over Usyk though too. If we had all the beasts listed so far right now instead of Ruiz Fury Wilder and Joshua then we would really be in business. We had the Klits and Valuev at the same time and never got to see a single matchup of big time giants. Hopefully Fury, Wilder and Joshua will give us some more matchups though Joshua is letting a fat Mexican CW take him out of the picture. Giants become much less after losses to little guys. Nobody remember how many guys Goliath whipped or their names but everybody talks about his loss to David.jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 08:51 Vitalis size and fearlessness
Lennox Lewis Power and technique
Alis speed of hand and fleetness
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jamesmcdonnell
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Big len had better one shot power, and no way you could get tysons explisiveness into a big man so then you lose the height and reach.Kronkpride wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 19:18I like Tyson's power over Lewis power. I like Ali over Usyk though too. If we had all the beasts listed so far right now instead of Ruiz Fury Wilder and Joshua then we would really be in business. We had the Klits and Valuev at the same time and never got to see a single matchup of big time giants. Hopefully Fury, Wilder and Joshua will give us some more matchups though Joshua is letting a fat Mexican CW take him out of the picture. Giants become much less after losses to little guys. Nobody remember how many guys Goliath whipped or their names but everybody talks about his loss to David.jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 08:51 Vitalis size and fearlessness
Lennox Lewis Power and technique
Alis speed of hand and fleetness
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Kronkpride
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
I think Wilder has huge explosiveness for a big man. He just doesn't have a ton of skill or ring brains to utilize it better. His kind of awkward fighting lends to his power though. He can hit you out of nowhere from all kinds of positions and angles. Tyson was a short stuff but so are tons of other guys and they don't have that power or explosiveness. I think you can transfer power as a trait from Tyson to anybody.
Usyk's footwork would also be hard to transfer to a big bodied man with long legs but Tyson Fury as a huge man has very good footwork when he is using that part of his game and almost no other men that big can do what he can.
Usyk's footwork would also be hard to transfer to a big bodied man with long legs but Tyson Fury as a huge man has very good footwork when he is using that part of his game and almost no other men that big can do what he can.
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Kronkpride
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Re: YOUR HW TRIFECTA?
Wilder has some decent reflexes....I wouldn't say defensive skills though. His power helps his D some too.Lackeos wrote: ↑19 Sep 2019, 05:12 Some combination of three of Deontay Wilder, Oliver McCall, David Price, Oleksandr Usyk, Anthony Joshua, and Tyson Fury.
Deontay Wilder - height, reach, power, some defensive skills
Oliver McCall - chin, reach, some slickness
David Price - Elite height, elite reach
Oleksandr Usyk - mid-range skills
Anthony Joshua - height, reach, skills, power, musculature
Tyson Fury - elite height, elite reach, good chin, some skills
You can take lots of different combinations and get a fighter that is at least 6' 7", at least 83" reach, great chin, great power, good athleticism, and some skill with his hands.
I'd still use him for power here out of these choices. Would still use Fury for the size and skill. I'd use McCall in place of Welliver for the chin. Pretty much a wash on my original hybrid. 2 immovable objects in Welliver and McCall.