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The results will be revealed in “early December,” with inductions taking place next June

Boxers added to the men’s modern ballot for 2020 include Jorge Arce, Timothy Bradley, Vuyani Bungu, Joel Casamayor, Diego Corrales, Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins, Sergio Martinez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Antonio Tarver and Israel Vazquez.

Boxers comprising the first ever women’s modern ballot include Laila Ali, Sumya Anani, Regina Halmich, Holly Holm, Susi Kentikian, Christy Martin, Lucia Rijker, Jisselle Salandy, Mary Jo Sanders, Laura Serrano, Ana Maria Torres and Ann Wolfe.
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Ridiculous corrales and casamayor get on, though Joel isnt terrible, with no Castillo. Clear cut with Hopkins, Marquez and Shane. Hope froch makes it eventually..
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This is so Americentrist. Lol at Israel Vazquez and Jorge Arce being even considered. Even some Euro champions with padded records like Michalczewski are more deserving than them (though neither should be even considered, IBHoF is too large, a lot less fighters should be members of it). Vuyavi Bungu? I am not sure that i have ever seen him fight...
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From the current ballots, only Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, Froch and maybe but i'm not sure about that Martinez deserve consideration. Bradley would too if his wins over Pacquiao and Marquez werent robberies/wrong decisions.
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dagilechia wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 14:59 From the current ballots, only Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, Froch and maybe but i'm not sure about that Martinez deserve consideration. Bradley would too if his wins over Pacquiao and Marquez werent robberies/wrong decisions.
No f@cking way was the W over Marquez a robbery. He deserved that.

Pac yes though obviously
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Bradley vs Marquez was close, i think JMM deserved it more and it was imo bad decision. Bradley vs Pac, hovewer, was a clear robbery because it would have been inappropiate to suggest that professional judges who score fights at the top world level are so incompetent.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 14:27 Ridiculous corrales and casamayor get on, though Joel isnt terrible, with no Castillo. Clear cut with Hopkins, Marquez and Shane. Hope froch makes it eventually..
I wouldn't say Shane's Hall of Fame worthy myself. Saying that, I also wouldn't know who to choose instead. Maybe an opportunity to induct someone who missed out in a stronger year previously?
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:05
Onetimeonly wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 14:27 Ridiculous corrales and casamayor get on, though Joel isnt terrible, with no Castillo. Clear cut with Hopkins, Marquez and Shane. Hope froch makes it eventually..
I wouldn't say Shane's Hall of Fame worthy myself.
Why not mate?
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Hopkins and Marquez deserve it 100%. Froch is a decent call too. Mosley - i am not sure, but he deserves consideration for sure.
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:05
Onetimeonly wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 14:27 Ridiculous corrales and casamayor get on, though Joel isnt terrible, with no Castillo. Clear cut with Hopkins, Marquez and Shane. Hope froch makes it eventually..
I wouldn't say Shane's Hall of Fame worthy myself. Saying that, I also wouldn't know who to choose instead. Maybe an opportunity to induct someone who missed out in a stronger year previously?
I'd definitely vote for Shane. If memory serves me I had laciar as the best left off the ballot last time.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:10
Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:05
I wouldn't say Shane's Hall of Fame worthy myself.
Why not mate?
Don't get me wrong, he had a good career. I just think at 147 and above, he lost a few more fights than a hall of famer should, and although the fighters he lost to were good, I don't know if any of them are hall of fame worthy themselves.

The pre-147 part of his career wasn't as strong as Floyd, Manny or JMM, and then you've also got the admission of EPO use before the Oscar rematch.

Just a few too many red flags for me, but that's just my personal opinion.
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:57
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:10

Why not mate?
Don't get me wrong, he had a good career. I just think at 147 and above, he lost a few more fights than a hall of famer should, and although the fighters he lost to were good, I don't know if any of them are hall of fame worthy themselves.

The pre-147 part of his career wasn't as strong as Floyd, Manny or JMM, and then you've also got the admission of EPO use before the Oscar rematch.

Just a few too many red flags for me, but that's just my personal opinion.
Isn’t that like saying RJJ isn’t HOF worthy?

You can’t just forget about what the boxer has down throughout his career..

Also at 147 he beat OLDH. Probably his best win.
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Yeah, the greatest baseball player ever isn't in the hof because of nerds voting. Boxings testing was so pathetic you can't possibly hold some accountable but not all. Hell, Manny is the most obvious juicer since my boy holy field. Neither of them, or Shane got caught.
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Shane is in. He cheated but if we are being honest with ourselves Marquez clearly cheated when he went through puberty again with memo and bernard avoided tougher drug testing for a reason too
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:57
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:10

Why not mate?
Don't get me wrong, he had a good career. I just think at 147 and above, he lost a few more fights than a hall of famer should, and although the fighters he lost to were good, I don't know if any of them are hall of fame worthy themselves.

The pre-147 part of his career wasn't as strong as Floyd, Manny or JMM, and then you've also got the admission of EPO use before the Oscar rematch.

Just a few too many red flags for me, but that's just my personal opinion.
He lost to Winky. Winky is in the hall of fame. Oscar too. Cotto will be in there too.
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IBHOF Modern Ballot: Rule Changes Create Tough Decisions For 2020

And all of a sudden, it’s a challenge once again.

After many years in which a few names separated themselves from the pack of “modern” fighters angling for International Boxing Hall of Fame induction, we’ve got ourselves a horse race.

Thanks in part to some rules changes implemented by the Central New York brain trust, several of the 11 first-time candidates on the ballot have serious cases to make when it comes to inclusion.

Foregoing the standard five-year waiting period between retirement and listing on the ballot, the powers-that-be at the IBHOF trimmed two years off – meaning fighters who’d last competed in either 2015 and 2016 and were not yet eligible under previous rules are now up for consideration.

Three of the 41 fighters on the ballot will be elected, in addition, thanks to another rule change, to anyone else receiving votes on at least 80 percent of the ballots.

Each modern elector can choose up to five fighters.

Among the new-rule newbies are Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley, each of whom last fought in 2016; along with Antonio Tarver, who was last active in 2015.

Not to mention the class of fighters who’d reached five years off and became eligible this year as scheduled – Jorge Arce, Carl Froch, Sergio Martinez and Juan Manuel Marquez.

Those eight fighters alone won championships in 19 weight classes.

“It’s an honor to be considered,” Tarver, a champion in two weight classes and winner of 31 fights across an 18-year pro career, told Boxing Scene on Monday.

“And it’ll be a dream realized if I’m fortunate enough to be elected,”

Now 50, Tarver turned pro in 1997 after winning bronze at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta and captured his first world title at light heavyweight in 2003 with a decision over Montell Griffin.

He lost the belt to Roy Jones Jr. seven months later, but scored one of the most memorable knockouts in boxing history in the rematch, starching Jones with a single left hand in the second round of their May 2004 fight in Las Vegas.

He split a subsequent pair of fights with Glen Johnson and outpointed Jones in their trilogy match before a surprise loss to underdog Hopkins in 2006 in Atlantic City. The lifelong Floridian briefly held the IBF and IBO titles again in 2007 and 2008 before dropping two straight decisions to Chad Dawson.

He moved to cruiserweight and won another IBO belt with a TKO of Danny Green and ultimately jumped to heavyweight for three fights – winning two by stoppage and fighting to a draw in what turned out to be his final bout against Steve Cunningham in August 2015.

The 2020 induction ceremony, by the way, is pegged for June 14.

And in keeping with a tradition in this space that’s yielded hate mail for suggesting no one named Gatti belongs in the hall without paid admission, here’s a wide-open look at my 2020 ballot.

My voting criteria, while admittedly not as scientific as some colleagues, is simple.

Was the fighter among the best in his peer group for a prolonged stretch of time? Not a one-year star or a popular guy who got TV time solely due to persona or style, but was he one of those guys – for at least a handful of years – who simply had to be on a short list of the best fighters in the world?

If the answer is yes – think Mayweather and Pacquiao – he’s got my vote.

If the answer is no – think Butterbean and Kardashian – he’s got my apologies.

So, with that, gentlemen… start your vitriol.

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Yuri Arbachakov
Career: 1990-1997
Record: 23-1 (16)
Titles at: 112
VOTE:

Jorge Arce
Career: 1996-2014
Record: 64-8-2 (49)
Titles at: 108, 115, 118, 122
VOTE:

Paulie Ayala
Career: 1992-2004
Record: 35-3 (12)
Titles at: 118, 122
VOTE:

Nigel Benn
Career: 1987-1996
Record: 42-5-1 (35)
Titles at: 160, 168
VOTE:

Timothy Bradley
Career: 2004-2016
Record: 33-2-1 (13)
Titles at: 140, 147
VOTE:

Vuyani Bungu
Career: 1987-2005
Record: 39-5 (19)
Titles at: 122, 126
VOTE:

Ivan Calderon
Career: 2001-2012
Record: 35-3-1 (6)
Titles at: 105, 108
VOTE:

Joel Casamayor
Career: 1996-2011
Record: 38-6-1 (22)
Titles at: 130, 135
VOTE:

Sot Chitalada
Career: 26-4-1 (16)
Record: 1983-1992
Titles at: 112
VOTE:

Diego Corrales
Career: 1996-2007
Record: 40-5 (33)
Titles at: 130, 135
VOTE:

Chris Eubank
Career: 1985-1998
Record: 45-5-2 (23)
Titles at: 160, 168
VOTE:

Carl Froch
Career: 2002-2014
Record: 33-2 (24)
Titles at: 168
VOTE:

Leo Gamez
Career: 1985-2005
Record: 35-12-1 (26)
Titles at: 105, 108, 112, 115
VOTE:

Ricky Hatton
Career: 1997-2012
Record: 45-3 (32)
Titles at: 140, 147
VOTE:

Genaro Hernandez
Career: 1984-1998
Record: 38-2-1 (17)
Titles at: 130
VOTE:

Bernard Hopkins
Career: 1988-2016
Record: 55-8-2 (32)
Titles at: 160, 175
VOTE: Y

Chris John
Career: 1998-2013
Record: 48-1-3 (22)
Titles at: 126
VOTE:

Mikkel Kessler
Career: 1998-2013
Record: 46-3 (35)
Titles at: 168
VOTE:

Santos Laciar
Career: 1976-1990
Record: 79-10-11 (31)
Titles at: 112, 115
VOTE:

Rocky Lockridge
Career: 1978-1992
Record: 44-9 (36)
Titles at: 130
VOTE:

Miguel Lora
Career: 1979-1993
Record: 37-3 (17)
Titles at: 118
VOTE:

Sergio Martinez
Career: 1997-2014
Record: 51-3-2 (28)
Titles at: 154, 160
VOTE:

Juan Manuel Marquez
Career: 1993-2014
Record: 56-7-1 (40)
Titles at: 126, 130, 135
VOTE: Y

Rafael Marquez
Career: 1995-2013
Record: 41-9 (37)
Titles at: 118, 122
VOTE:

Henry Maske
Career: 1990-2007
Record: 31-1 (11)
Titles at: 175
VOTE:

Dariusz Michalczewski
Career: 1991-2005
Record: 48-2 (38)
Titles at: 175, 190
VOTE:

Sung-Kil Moon
Career: 1987-1993
Record: 20-2 (15)
Titles at: 115, 118
VOTE:

Michael Moorer
Career: 1988-2008
Record: 52-4-1 (40)
Titles at: 175, HWT
VOTE:

Shane Mosley
Career: 1993-2016
Record: 49-10-1 (41)
Titles at: 135, 147, 154
VOTE: Y

Orzubek Nazarov
Career: 1990-1998
Record: 26-1 (19)
Titles at: 135
VOTE:

Sven Ottke
Career: 1997-2004
Record: 34-0 (6)
Titles at: 168
VOTE:

Vinny Paz
Career: 1983-2004
Record: 50-10 (30)
Titles at: 135, 154, 168
VOTE:

Gilberto Roman
Career: 1981-1990
Record: 54-6-1 (35)
Titles at: 115
VOTE:

Gianfranco Rosi
Career: 1979-2006
Record: 62-6-1 (18)
Titles at: 154
VOTE:

Samuel Serrano
Career: 1969-1997
Record: 50-5-1 (17)
Titles at: 130
VOTE:

Antonio Tarver
Career: 1997-2015
Record: 31-6-1 (22)
Titles at: 175, 200
VOTE:

Meldrick Taylor
Career: 1984-2002
Record: 38-8-1 (20)
Titles at: 140, 147
VOTE:

Fernando Vargas
Career: 1997-2007
Record: 26-5 (22)
Titles at: 154
VOTE:

Israel Vazquez
Career: 1995-2010
Record: 44-5 (32)
Titles at: 122
VOTE:

Wilfredo Vazquez
Career: 1981-2002
Record: 56-9-2 (41)
Titles at: 118, 122, 126
VOTE:

Ratanapol Sor Vorapin
Career: 1990-2009
Record: 59-8-1 (48)
Titles at: 105
VOTE:
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If I was an IBHOF voter I would go with Tarver, B-Hop, JMM, & Mosley for sure.

Though not a sure thing like those 4, I would go with Bradley for 5th spot. His win over Marquez was close but legit. :OhYes:
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Tarver is a sure thing?

John Shep's on the ballot too :yay:
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 15:57 I just think at 147 and above, he lost a few more fights than a hall of famer should
Was it more than 19? Because Sugar Ray Robinson lost 19 fights.
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I'm pretty confident that Marquez, Mosley, and Hopkins are mortal locks for first ballot induction.

Vuyani Bungu is just an April Fool's joke, probably.
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