WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
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WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
World Boxing Organization President Paco Valcarcel let his feelings known on the current situation regarding world champions.
As WBN revealed over the weekend, there are currently 67 world champions recognized in boxing today.
The number doesn’t include ‘interim’ or ‘regular’ belt holders as WBN discounted any notion of those championships on May 9th of this year.
WBN confirmed at the time: “World Boxing News would like to make a record of their renewed stance against the World Boxing Association continually adding new titles.
“The most recent ‘Gold’ WBA championship has muddied the already murky waters of straps in the sport.
“Something needs to be done to reverse the flow. Therefore, WBN will no longer recognize the WBA ‘Regular’ belt brought in some years ago.
“This comes on the back of a broken promise by President Gilberto Mendoza to WBN back in 2013.
“At the time, Mendoza stated unequivocally that he would eradicate the ‘regular’ titles at the earliest opportunity in order to have one sole champion per division.
“This has not transpired, and furthermore, has been made even more complicated.
“Should promoters and other resources offering WBN information on their upcoming fights want to continue acknowledging such titles, WBN will not stand in the way of this when processing the information for publication.
“But WBN will no longer place the ‘regular’ title on the champions section of the site.”
PACO
Five months on, and it seems as though the WBO head has joined WBN and a large portion of the boxing fans in offering his dismay.
“My friend Gilberto Mendoza Jr. runs the WBA as he sees fit,” said Paco.
“What I don’t understand is the complacency of certain boxing writers and TV commentators when it comes to the 42 so-called world champions that the WBA currently has in 17 divisions.
“(The WBA) have been designated as Super, Regular, Interim and Gold. For example, they currently have four champions in the Heavyweight Division.
“I don’t understand it, and I’m not going to keep quiet about it either.”
WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman had already asked all organizations to arrange more unifications.
“Our position is to be open to unifications. To try to keep the champions unified. Regulations need to be fulfilled, but sometimes there are some rules that provoke injustices,” stated Sulaiman.
“I have seen how champions lose their championships by desk decisions. Sometimes you have to attend. To specifically address the status case by case.”
WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
As WBN revealed over the weekend, there are currently 67 world champions recognized in boxing today.
The number doesn’t include ‘interim’ or ‘regular’ belt holders as WBN discounted any notion of those championships on May 9th of this year.
WBN confirmed at the time: “World Boxing News would like to make a record of their renewed stance against the World Boxing Association continually adding new titles.
“The most recent ‘Gold’ WBA championship has muddied the already murky waters of straps in the sport.
“Something needs to be done to reverse the flow. Therefore, WBN will no longer recognize the WBA ‘Regular’ belt brought in some years ago.
“This comes on the back of a broken promise by President Gilberto Mendoza to WBN back in 2013.
“At the time, Mendoza stated unequivocally that he would eradicate the ‘regular’ titles at the earliest opportunity in order to have one sole champion per division.
“This has not transpired, and furthermore, has been made even more complicated.
“Should promoters and other resources offering WBN information on their upcoming fights want to continue acknowledging such titles, WBN will not stand in the way of this when processing the information for publication.
“But WBN will no longer place the ‘regular’ title on the champions section of the site.”
PACO
Five months on, and it seems as though the WBO head has joined WBN and a large portion of the boxing fans in offering his dismay.
“My friend Gilberto Mendoza Jr. runs the WBA as he sees fit,” said Paco.
“What I don’t understand is the complacency of certain boxing writers and TV commentators when it comes to the 42 so-called world champions that the WBA currently has in 17 divisions.
“(The WBA) have been designated as Super, Regular, Interim and Gold. For example, they currently have four champions in the Heavyweight Division.
“I don’t understand it, and I’m not going to keep quiet about it either.”
WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman had already asked all organizations to arrange more unifications.
“Our position is to be open to unifications. To try to keep the champions unified. Regulations need to be fulfilled, but sometimes there are some rules that provoke injustices,” stated Sulaiman.
“I have seen how champions lose their championships by desk decisions. Sometimes you have to attend. To specifically address the status case by case.”
WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Dont acknowledge their champions and rank them in your rankings
Done. Next problem
Done. Next problem
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
They don't anyway..Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 12:29 Dont acknowledge their champions and rank them in your rankings
Done. Next problem
Unless they do Interim champions.
Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
97 World champions in total then... Wow.
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Unless I’m mistaken, the WBA actually has 41 world champions covering 17 weight classes:
• Heavyweight; Super champion; Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Heavyweight; Regular champion; Mahmoud Charr
• Heavyweight; GOLD champion; Joe Joyce
• Heavyweight; Interim champion; Trevor Bryan
• Cruiserweight; Super champion; Arsen Goulamirian
• Cruiserweight; Regular champion; Beibut Shumenov
• Cruiserweight; GOLD champion; Alexey Egorov
• Light heavyweight; Super champion; Dmitry Bivol
• Light heavyweight; Interim champion; Jean Pascal
• Super middleweight; Super champion; Callum Smith
• Super middleweight; Regular champion; Saul Alvarez
• Super middleweight; GOLD champion; Lennox Allen
• Super middleweight; Interim champion; John Ryder
• Middleweight; Super champion; Saul Alvarez
• Middleweight; Regular champion; Ryota Murata
• Super welterweight; Super champion; Julian Williams
• Super welterweight; Regular champion; Erislandy Lara
• Super welterweight; GOLD champion; Michel Soro
• Welterweight; Super champion; Manny Pacquiao
• Welterweight; Regular champion; Vergil Ortiz Jr
• Super lightweight; Super champion; Regis Prograis
• Super lightweight; Regular champion; Mario Barrios
• Super lightweight; GOLD champion; Yves Ulysse Jr
• Super lightweight; Interim champion; Alberto Puello
• Lightweight; Super champion; Vasiliy Lomachenko
• Super featherweight; Regular champion; Andrew Cancio
• Super featherweight; GOLD champion; Joseph Diaz
• Featherweight; Super champion; Leo Santa Cruz
• Featherweight; Regular champion; Can Xu
• Featherweight; GOLD champion; Claudio Marrero
• Super bantanweight; Unified champion; Daniel Roman
• Super bantanweight; GOLD champion; Ronny Rios
• Super bantanweight; Interim champion; Brandon Figueroa
• Bantamweight; Super champion; Nonito Donaire
• Bantamweight; Unified champion; Naoya Inoue
• Super flyweight; Regular champion; Khalid Yafai
• Flyweight; Regular champion; Artem Dalakian
• Light flyweight; Super champion; Hiroto Kyoguchi
• Light flyweight; Regular champion; Carlos Canizales
• Minimum; Regular champion; Thammanoon Niyomtrong
• Minimum; GOLD champion; Ricardo Astuvilca
The heavyweight, super middleweight & super lightweight divisions all have four champions.
Nonito Donaire is the WBA’s super champion at bantamweight, despite Naoya Inoue already being their unified champion.
• Heavyweight; Super champion; Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Heavyweight; Regular champion; Mahmoud Charr
• Heavyweight; GOLD champion; Joe Joyce
• Heavyweight; Interim champion; Trevor Bryan
• Cruiserweight; Super champion; Arsen Goulamirian
• Cruiserweight; Regular champion; Beibut Shumenov
• Cruiserweight; GOLD champion; Alexey Egorov
• Light heavyweight; Super champion; Dmitry Bivol
• Light heavyweight; Interim champion; Jean Pascal
• Super middleweight; Super champion; Callum Smith
• Super middleweight; Regular champion; Saul Alvarez
• Super middleweight; GOLD champion; Lennox Allen
• Super middleweight; Interim champion; John Ryder
• Middleweight; Super champion; Saul Alvarez
• Middleweight; Regular champion; Ryota Murata
• Super welterweight; Super champion; Julian Williams
• Super welterweight; Regular champion; Erislandy Lara
• Super welterweight; GOLD champion; Michel Soro
• Welterweight; Super champion; Manny Pacquiao
• Welterweight; Regular champion; Vergil Ortiz Jr
• Super lightweight; Super champion; Regis Prograis
• Super lightweight; Regular champion; Mario Barrios
• Super lightweight; GOLD champion; Yves Ulysse Jr
• Super lightweight; Interim champion; Alberto Puello
• Lightweight; Super champion; Vasiliy Lomachenko
• Super featherweight; Regular champion; Andrew Cancio
• Super featherweight; GOLD champion; Joseph Diaz
• Featherweight; Super champion; Leo Santa Cruz
• Featherweight; Regular champion; Can Xu
• Featherweight; GOLD champion; Claudio Marrero
• Super bantanweight; Unified champion; Daniel Roman
• Super bantanweight; GOLD champion; Ronny Rios
• Super bantanweight; Interim champion; Brandon Figueroa
• Bantamweight; Super champion; Nonito Donaire
• Bantamweight; Unified champion; Naoya Inoue
• Super flyweight; Regular champion; Khalid Yafai
• Flyweight; Regular champion; Artem Dalakian
• Light flyweight; Super champion; Hiroto Kyoguchi
• Light flyweight; Regular champion; Carlos Canizales
• Minimum; Regular champion; Thammanoon Niyomtrong
• Minimum; GOLD champion; Ricardo Astuvilca
The heavyweight, super middleweight & super lightweight divisions all have four champions.
Nonito Donaire is the WBA’s super champion at bantamweight, despite Naoya Inoue already being their unified champion.
Last edited by Enlightened-One on 02 Oct 2019, 16:07, edited 1 time in total.
Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Wow, WHY THE HELL DID YOU CHECK THIS?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:05 Unless I’m mistaken, the WBA actually has 41 world champions:
• Heavyweight; Super champion; Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Heavyweight; Regular champion; Mahmoud Charr
• Heavyweight; GOLD champion; Joe Joyce
• Heavyweight; Interim champion; Trevor Bryan
• Cruiserweight; Super champion; Arsen Goulamirian
• Cruiserweight; Regular champion; Beibut Shumenov
• Cruiserweight; GOLD champion; Alexey Egorov
• Light heavyweight; Super champion; Dmitry Bivol
• Light heavyweight; Interim champion; Jean Pascal
• Super middleweight; Super champion; Callum Smith
• Super middleweight; Regular champion; Saul Alvarez
• Super middleweight; GOLD champion; Lennox Allen
• Super middleweight; Interim champion; John Ryder
• Middleweight; Super champion; Saul Alvarez
• Middleweight; Regular champion; Ryota Murata
• Super welterweight; Super champion; Julian Williams
• Super welterweight; Regular champion; Erislandy Lara
• Super welterweight; GOLD champion; Michel Soro
• Welterweight; Super champion; Manny Pacquiao
• Welterweight; Regular champion; Vergil Ortiz Jr
• Super lightweight; Super champion; Regis Prograis
• Super lightweight; Regular champion; Mario Barrios
• Super lightweight; GOLD champion; Yves Ulysse Jr
• Super lightweight; Interim champion; Alberto Puello
• Lightweight; Super champion; Vasiliy Lomachenko
• Super featherweight; Regular champion; Andrew Cancio
• Super featherweight; GOLD champion; Joseph Diaz
• Featherweight; Super champion; Leo Santa Cruz
• Featherweight; Regular champion; Can Xu
• Featherweight; GOLD champion; Claudio Marrero
• Super bantanweight; Unified champion; Daniel Roman
• Super bantanweight; GOLD champion; Ronny Rios
• Super bantanweight; Interim champion; Brandon Figueroa
• Bantamweight; Super champion; Nonito Donaire
• Bantamweight; Unified champion; Naoya Inoue
• Super flyweight; Regular champion; Khalid Yafai
• Flyweight; Regular champion; Artem Dalakian
• Light flyweight; Super champion; Hiroto Kyoguchi
• Light flyweight; Regular champion; Carlos Canizales
• Minimum; Regular champion; Thammanoon Niyomtrong
• Minimum; GOLD champion; Ricardo Astuvilca
The heavyweight, super middleweight & super lightweight divisions all have four champions.
Nonito Donaire is the WBA’s super champion at bantamweight, despite Naoya Inoue already being their unified champion.
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Enlightened-One
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Copy/paste spreadsheet. Easy peasy!Paci wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:06Wow, WHY THE HELL DID YOU CHECK THIS?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:05 Unless I’m mistaken, the WBA actually has 41 world champions:
• Heavyweight; Super champion; Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Heavyweight; Regular champion; Mahmoud Charr
• Heavyweight; GOLD champion; Joe Joyce
• Heavyweight; Interim champion; Trevor Bryan
• Cruiserweight; Super champion; Arsen Goulamirian
• Cruiserweight; Regular champion; Beibut Shumenov
• Cruiserweight; GOLD champion; Alexey Egorov
• Light heavyweight; Super champion; Dmitry Bivol
• Light heavyweight; Interim champion; Jean Pascal
• Super middleweight; Super champion; Callum Smith
• Super middleweight; Regular champion; Saul Alvarez
• Super middleweight; GOLD champion; Lennox Allen
• Super middleweight; Interim champion; John Ryder
• Middleweight; Super champion; Saul Alvarez
• Middleweight; Regular champion; Ryota Murata
• Super welterweight; Super champion; Julian Williams
• Super welterweight; Regular champion; Erislandy Lara
• Super welterweight; GOLD champion; Michel Soro
• Welterweight; Super champion; Manny Pacquiao
• Welterweight; Regular champion; Vergil Ortiz Jr
• Super lightweight; Super champion; Regis Prograis
• Super lightweight; Regular champion; Mario Barrios
• Super lightweight; GOLD champion; Yves Ulysse Jr
• Super lightweight; Interim champion; Alberto Puello
• Lightweight; Super champion; Vasiliy Lomachenko
• Super featherweight; Regular champion; Andrew Cancio
• Super featherweight; GOLD champion; Joseph Diaz
• Featherweight; Super champion; Leo Santa Cruz
• Featherweight; Regular champion; Can Xu
• Featherweight; GOLD champion; Claudio Marrero
• Super bantanweight; Unified champion; Daniel Roman
• Super bantanweight; GOLD champion; Ronny Rios
• Super bantanweight; Interim champion; Brandon Figueroa
• Bantamweight; Super champion; Nonito Donaire
• Bantamweight; Unified champion; Naoya Inoue
• Super flyweight; Regular champion; Khalid Yafai
• Flyweight; Regular champion; Artem Dalakian
• Light flyweight; Super champion; Hiroto Kyoguchi
• Light flyweight; Regular champion; Carlos Canizales
• Minimum; Regular champion; Thammanoon Niyomtrong
• Minimum; GOLD champion; Ricardo Astuvilca
The heavyweight, super middleweight & super lightweight divisions all have four champions.
Nonito Donaire is the WBA’s super champion at bantamweight, despite Naoya Inoue already being their unified champion.
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Damn that is one long unimpressive list
Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
I do find it funny that, not taking anything away from Arsen Goulamirian, that he got promoted from intrem to Super.
How? He fought for the intrem trinket, then in his next fight he is the "super" champ, after having about 1,5 year between... the title fights...
WBA might be the most worthless org of them all, and that against stiff competition
How? He fought for the intrem trinket, then in his next fight he is the "super" champ, after having about 1,5 year between... the title fights...
WBA might be the most worthless org of them all, and that against stiff competition
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
41 or 42.. what’s the difference. The fact that they have nearly triple the amount of weight classes..
Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Oh the days of 8 divisions with 8 champs. Alas...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:41 41 or 42.. what’s the difference. The fact that they have nearly triple the amount of weight classes..
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
It is called OCD.Paci wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:06Wow, WHY THE HELL DID YOU CHECK THIS?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 16:05 Unless I’m mistaken, the WBA actually has 41 world champions:
• Heavyweight; Super champion; Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Heavyweight; Regular champion; Mahmoud Charr
• Heavyweight; GOLD champion; Joe Joyce
• Heavyweight; Interim champion; Trevor Bryan
• Cruiserweight; Super champion; Arsen Goulamirian
• Cruiserweight; Regular champion; Beibut Shumenov
• Cruiserweight; GOLD champion; Alexey Egorov
• Light heavyweight; Super champion; Dmitry Bivol
• Light heavyweight; Interim champion; Jean Pascal
• Super middleweight; Super champion; Callum Smith
• Super middleweight; Regular champion; Saul Alvarez
• Super middleweight; GOLD champion; Lennox Allen
• Super middleweight; Interim champion; John Ryder
• Middleweight; Super champion; Saul Alvarez
• Middleweight; Regular champion; Ryota Murata
• Super welterweight; Super champion; Julian Williams
• Super welterweight; Regular champion; Erislandy Lara
• Super welterweight; GOLD champion; Michel Soro
• Welterweight; Super champion; Manny Pacquiao
• Welterweight; Regular champion; Vergil Ortiz Jr
• Super lightweight; Super champion; Regis Prograis
• Super lightweight; Regular champion; Mario Barrios
• Super lightweight; GOLD champion; Yves Ulysse Jr
• Super lightweight; Interim champion; Alberto Puello
• Lightweight; Super champion; Vasiliy Lomachenko
• Super featherweight; Regular champion; Andrew Cancio
• Super featherweight; GOLD champion; Joseph Diaz
• Featherweight; Super champion; Leo Santa Cruz
• Featherweight; Regular champion; Can Xu
• Featherweight; GOLD champion; Claudio Marrero
• Super bantanweight; Unified champion; Daniel Roman
• Super bantanweight; GOLD champion; Ronny Rios
• Super bantanweight; Interim champion; Brandon Figueroa
• Bantamweight; Super champion; Nonito Donaire
• Bantamweight; Unified champion; Naoya Inoue
• Super flyweight; Regular champion; Khalid Yafai
• Flyweight; Regular champion; Artem Dalakian
• Light flyweight; Super champion; Hiroto Kyoguchi
• Light flyweight; Regular champion; Carlos Canizales
• Minimum; Regular champion; Thammanoon Niyomtrong
• Minimum; GOLD champion; Ricardo Astuvilca
The heavyweight, super middleweight & super lightweight divisions all have four champions.
Nonito Donaire is the WBA’s super champion at bantamweight, despite Naoya Inoue already being their unified champion.
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Enlightened-One
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Either that or IT literacy.
Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
How is a world title demoted? If the WBC, WBA, and IBF stop recognizing the WBA will it still be considered a world title?
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Ruthless-RKO
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Re: WBO President: WBA has 42 champions in 17 divisions, I won’t keep quiet!
Yeh. Because a promoter will stay want to use the WBA. They have history and a world title is a world title. They would rather have a poster saying World title fight. Nothing is going to change: