I think Golovkin should call it a day. Health comes first. He's fading.

[apollo creed]

I think it's a combination of ageing, wear and tear plus the fact that G has changed his long time trainer. Abel was the best trainer suited for G.

Derevo hurted G with the body shots.

[lazboy]

Give him another chance with Dev. Both fighters deserve that, if he beats him again he goes out on a high.

[lazboy]

Fair call though if he was to retire, he took a beating in rd 10. A opponent has never had their way with Golovkin like that.

[Cent0089]

His head movement, reflexes and cutting off the ring was not there also. Time to retire before other guys will start making their names on him.

[forcefraser]

I think it's a combination of ageing, wear and tear plus the fact that G has changed his long time trainer. Abel was the best trainer suited for G.

Derevo hurted G with the body shots.
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[apollo creed]

His head movement, reflexes and cutting off the ring was not there also. Time to retire before other guys will start making their names on him.

Yup. He should retire as a champ. He has made enough money. I'm pretty sure that after this fight a lot of guys are licking their chops and they want a part of 3G.

[Bandog]

I think GGG has been fading for 2 or 3 years now, but still fighting at a top level showing he is and has been a great champion. It wasn't until he looked somewhat vulnerable that Canelo fought him. Kind of like Pacquiao, both are great champions still at or near the top, but as a fan I would hate to see either stay in the game too long. Both could retire tomorrow and no one would blame them.

[DrDuke]

Yeah, that performance was worse, than vs Jacobs and Canelo. He began fading.

[RonnyJ]

Yup. He is far from being the terror he wants was. Better end it now.

[Thomastearns]

I think GGG has been fading for 2 or 3 years now, but still fighting at a top level showing he is and has been a great champion. It wasn't until he looked somewhat vulnerable that Canelo fought him. Kind of like Pacquiao, both are great champions still at or near the top, but as a fan I would hate to see either stay in the game too long. Both could retire tomorrow and no one would blame them.

That was a great performance from GGG last night but it's undeniable that he's marginally slowing just like Pacquiao who now has to choose his opposition very carefully. GGG can no longer terrorise the division - although he'll still get respect.

If he gets the rematch with a clean Canelo, that would be a great way to bow out. But the way drug testing is currently officiated in boxing, that is highly unlikely.

Derevyanchenko on the other hand was as game as he could be. He was able to land and hurt Golovkin with body shots almost at will.

Johnathon Banks, GGGs trainer, seemed deflated by last night's action. For sure he's trying and no doubt GGG is also trying to implement the necessary changes but what can either of them do to halt physical decay?

Some like Michael Montero have suggested GGG should drastically cut back on his habitual altitude training at Big Bear. I think it's definitely something to consider as the evidence in favour of it is sketchy to say the least.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG has had a relatively easy time during the pro ranks, until he started engaging in bouts against truly world-class foes since 2017.

The reason why he had incredibly competitive and closely fought bouts against the likes of Canelo Danny Jacobs and Sergiy Derevyanchenko, probably had more to do with the calibre of those guys he was facing rather than the amount of miles on GGG’s body clock.

For sure, GGG might be 37 years of age and slightly past-his-prime, but he’s probably much younger (physically) than most fighters his age, simply because they probably had engaged in far more physically taxing bouts than he has.

If Golovkin had fought another journeyman, such as the likes of Steve Rolls, Vanes Martirosyan or a Dominic Wade, then he would have destroyed them with consummate ease last night… it would have been business as usual. And we’d have heard no excuses coming from his team about any so-called illness causing him to underperform.

Simply put, I feel that GGG has a couple of good years left in him, but yet I fear his aura of invincibility has gone forever.

[boxing_rocks]

Golovkin needs to stop doing high altitude camps. He is too old for that.

[ValMar]

GGG has had a relatively easy time during the pro ranks, until he started engaging in bouts against truly world-class foes since 2017.

The reason why he had incredibly competitive and closely fought bouts against the likes of Canelo Danny Jacobs and Sergiy Derevyanchenko, probably had more to do with the calibre of those guys he was facing rather than the amount of miles on GGG’s body clock.

For sure, GGG might be 37 years of age and slightly past-his-prime, but he’s probably much younger (physically) than most fighters his age, simply because they probably had engaged in far more physically taxing bouts than he has.

If Golovkin had fought another journeyman, such as the likes of Steve Rolls, Vanes Martirosyan or a Dominic Wade, then he would have destroyed them with consummate ease last night… it would have been business as usual. And we’d have heard no excuses coming from his team about any so-called illness causing him to underperform.

Simply put, I feel that GGG has a couple of good years left in him, but yet I fear his aura of invincibility has gone forever.

Well done !

[apollo creed]

G is 37 y/o old and he has alot of millage on his clock . In 2014-2015 no top name from mw was really serious in fighting him. He should retire now as a champion.

[Paci]

G is 37 y/o old and he has alot of millage on his clock . In 2014-2015 no top name from mw was really serious in fighting him. He should retire now as a champion.

Canelofanboi

[cormack]

GGG is getting older - just like all of us and his opponents are all much younger so he needs to adapt his technique ( according to this trainer )
But he may not be able to make the changes needed

[victor-romeo]

I agree, 37 is old for boxing. GGG looked like crap between rounds around the 9th or 10th round and even though the fight was close, I almost thought they should stop the fight. He is too old to be fighting taking the punishment he is taking and he has got money...Time to get out...I thought Dervychenko won the fight barely at worst it should have been draw but anyways, I say GGG get out while you still have some health left.

[PUGLET]

Regardless of aging.... I said it before. Banks is an AWFUL trainer/coach. The notion that the GOAT of trainers, Emanuel Stewart is mentioned in the same sentences as him because he is from KRONK is truly blasphemous.
Let GGG have 2-3 “handpicked, face first, chinny opponents” and let him ride off into the sunset. He was outright robbed against Canelo in both fights... I actually think he won the second fight even more clearly than the first. He can go back to Kazakhstan with his family and his health and live happily ever after. He’ll only diminish more rapidly with Banks as his trainer. It’s been a fun ride with him.

[Enlightened-One]

Regardless of aging.... I said it before. Banks is an AWFUL trainer/coach. The notion that the GOAT of trainers, Emanuel Stewart is mentioned in the same sentences as him because he is from KRONK is truly blasphemous.

Whilst I think you’re absolutely correct about Jonathan Banks being a tad overrated as a trainer, Tony Harrison raised an excellent point about GGG essentially ignoring his trainer's commands and reverting to type (his old instincs).

Even Jonathan Banks conceded that Golovkin ignored their previously agreed strategy and also his commands between rounds, he went one further by stating that GGG needed to either retire (hang-up his gloves to avoid needlessly taking punishment) or he needs change his fighting style.

[danconnollyeire]

Maybe he'll learn soon the face isn't the best thing to block punches with

[greg]

..ideally speaking considering his health, age, wear and tear etc., I guess he should...incidentally, the same goes for Derevenchenko...I don't think any of them will hang'em up though...

[Onetimeonly]

He's not walking on that contract. I agree he's fading as far as punch resistance but he's still quite formidable. Derev is much better than I gave him credit for. Evidently culcay is as well.

[boxing_rocks]

Regardless of aging.... I said it before. Banks is an AWFUL trainer/coach. The notion that the GOAT of trainers, Emanuel Stewart is mentioned in the same sentences as him because he is from KRONK is truly blasphemous.

Whilst I think you’re absolutely correct about Jonathan Banks being a tad overrated as a trainer, Tony Harrison raised an excellent point about GGG essentially ignoring his trainer's commands and reverting to type (his old instincs).

Even Jonathan Banks conceded that Golovkin ignored their previously agreed strategy and also his commands between rounds, he went one further by stating that GGG needed to either retire (hang-up his gloves to avoid needlessly taking punishment) or he needs change his fighting style.

Well Banks' idea of significantly changing a 37-year old fighter with 400 fights is absolutely unrealistic. He can only do small but important corrections, like more head movement, not a total style change. Banks' idea of Golovkin throwing more punches and not putting power into them is wrong for Gennady. His power is what keeps opponents off him.

[greg]

..have my doubts as to how long Banks lasts around triple G..

[Enlightened-One]

Whilst I think you’re absolutely correct about Jonathan Banks being a tad overrated as a trainer, Tony Harrison raised an excellent point about GGG essentially ignoring his trainer's commands and reverting to type (his old instincs).

Even Jonathan Banks conceded that Golovkin ignored their previously agreed strategy and also his commands between rounds, he went one further by stating that GGG needed to either retire (hang-up his gloves to avoid needlessly taking punishment) or he needs change his fighting style.

Well Banks' idea of significantly changing a 37-year old fighter with 400 fights is absolutely unrealistic. He can only do small but important corrections, like more head movement, not a total style change. Banks' idea of Golovkin throwing more punches and not putting power into them is wrong for Gennady. His power is what keeps opponents off him.

Surely there must have been a reason for GGG replacing Abel Sanchez with Jonathan Banks, other than employing someone that was willing to train him for less than the industry-standard 10% training fee?

Jonathan Banks is a trainer renowned for his pad work, encouraging his fighters to utilise a rhythm breaking jab. His entire reputation is built on this. And GGG would have surely known this also prior to hiring the American.

One of the reasons why Joe Joyce left Abel Sanchez was due to a distinct lack of pad work at the gym at Big Bear. And perhaps Gennadiy felt this way too?

So when I first heard about GGG working with Jonathan Banks, I thought he might have been looking to adapt his style to cater for his age in order to extend his career.

It seems I was wrong, because GGG reverted to type last weekend.