Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
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elmersalsa
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Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
The great Eusebio Pedroza of Panama was to me the most COMPLETE FIGHTER that I have seen in my lifetime. He could do it all: box, slug it out, good chin, stamina, heart, will and determination.
Where do you rank this great boxer at Featherweight all time?
Pound per pound?
Where do you rank this great boxer at Featherweight all time?
Pound per pound?
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
In no particular order:
Dixon
Pep
Saddler
Armstrong
Sanchez
Dixon
Pep
Saddler
Armstrong
Sanchez
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Seems pretty high. I'd guess 11-20
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
6th at feather.......
Not p4p
Not p4p
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
A dozen or more better feathers?
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Like I said, I'd guess. Have to dig deeper. Attell, saldivar, Driscoll, kilbane, arguello, chocolate, etc... So many great fighters to separate their divisions is difficult on memory. Pedroza was a favorite of mine growing up. Best wins? Two highly disputed against lockridge, Ruben, laporte, underrated how he dismantled Ford after Patrick arguably beat sal. But canzoneri, even Lopez you have to look at. Freddie Miller, O'Toole,. Pretty stacked div.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Probably in the top 10. I think there's some fighters who fought at featherweight that I'd rank higher than him pound for pound like Arguello, Jofre, Nelson but his body of work and title reign give him the specific edge at 126.
It's hard to see him over the usual suspects like Pep, Saddler, Attell, Sanchez, Saldivar, Armstrong, Driscoll etc;
It's hard to see him over the usual suspects like Pep, Saddler, Attell, Sanchez, Saldivar, Armstrong, Driscoll etc;
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Welcome back, Chris!chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2019, 19:41 Probably in the top 10. I think there's some fighters who fought at featherweight that I'd rank higher than him pound for pound like Arguello, Jofre, Nelson but his body of work and title reign give him the specific edge at 126.
It's hard to see him over the usual suspects like Pep, Saddler, Attell, Sanchez, Saldivar, Armstrong, Driscoll etc;
In my estimation, a great fighter at 126.
I rated him in my all-time Featherweight dynamite dozen like this:
1. Willie Pep
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sandy Saddler
4. Kid Chocolate
5. Salvador Sanchez
6. Battling Battalino
7. Freddie Miller
8. Abe Attell
9. Eusebio Pedroza
10. Alexis Arguello
11. Azumah Nelson
12. Vicente Saldivar
Dominant Champion in his prime. Very underrated and disliked by the American boxing press.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Eusebio Pedroza, the great champion, was a road warrior. He was expressionless, and had great mental concentration and poise fighting on the road. The most COMPLETE fighter that I have ever seen.
There's an article out there that Pedroza, on his own words, said that the great Salvador Sanchez didn't want to fight him. It seems to me that none of the WBC champions wanted a piece of him. He was high risk and low reward for a multi million dollar payday.
There's an article out there that Pedroza, on his own words, said that the great Salvador Sanchez didn't want to fight him. It seems to me that none of the WBC champions wanted a piece of him. He was high risk and low reward for a multi million dollar payday.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
None of the wba and wbc champions were fighting each other. There was an organization feud. Surprised you don't remember that. Though you likely do and it doesn't fit your narrative as well. I liked pedrozas chances in that bout, sal obviously would have fought him.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
I read an article in Pedroza's own words that Don King, Sanchez ' promoter at the time, told Pedroza that Sanchez didn't want to fight him.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 08:15 None of the wba and wbc champions were fighting each other. There was an organization feud. Surprised you don't remember that. Though you likely do and it doesn't fit your narrative as well. I liked pedrozas chances in that bout, sal obviously would have fought him.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 12:34I read an article in Pedroza's own words that Don King, Sanchez ' promoter at the time, told Pedroza that Sanchez didn't want to fight him.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 08:15 None of the wba and wbc champions were fighting each other. There was an organization feud. Surprised you don't remember that. Though you likely do and it doesn't fit your narrative as well. I liked pedrozas chances in that bout, sal obviously would have fought him.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
You can laugh all you want to. That's what I have read.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 13:29elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 12:34
I read an article in Pedroza's own words that Don King, Sanchez ' promoter at the time, told Pedroza that Sanchez didn't want to fight him.![]()
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
I am laughing.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
So Elmer, being the most complete fighter in history would make him an underachiever?
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
This is thread is from the twilight zone.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Underachiever? I think the great Eusebio Pedroza did accomplished a lot in his boxing career. Twenty title defenses. Ten in opponents' backyards and 14 defenses on the road. Beat 4 world champions and 1 hall of fame boxer. A great career if you ask me.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 16:58 So Elmer, being the most complete fighter in history would make him an underachiever?
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
The big question here is: was he better than Sanchez or viceversa? Otherwise, top ten at 126...easily.
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
If you can't trust Don King, who can you trust?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 13:29elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 12:34
I read an article in Pedroza's own words that Don King, Sanchez ' promoter at the time, told Pedroza that Sanchez didn't want to fight him.![]()
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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Agreed. Case closed!